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So, out of pure boredom, I decided to make a short list of the best games I played in my life. If you didn't have a chance to play some of them, I strongly advise you to give it a shot.
FPS:
Star Wars: Jedi Knight II - Jedi Outcast
I'm not really sure if it can really be called FPS, since later on you're mostly running in TPP. Regardless, this is such an outstanding game (without equal really) that I just had to put it here.
It's very nicely thought out, the storyline is good, the gameplay is superb and it requires so much skill and thought (even in single player) that it's mindblowing. Recently I've reinstalled it to feel the thrill again and I have absolutely no idea how did I beat it before on Jedi Master difficulty level as I wasn't able to pass the first level on it this time...
RPG:
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
As I am an avid RPG gamer, this was a really tough call between this, Planescape: Torment, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and Fallout. Finally, I have decided that Morrowind should take this slot, as the potential it has, the incredibly immersive atmosphere it creates and the amount of freedom it offers is really unparalleled.
As I didn't get the map with my copy of the game and had to discover everything from the ground up, which really enhanced the 'arriving into a new world' feeling for me and left great memories (ah, the first time I've heard about Morag Tong and the sleepless night I spent trying to find them and join this organization...) that I shall cherish for quite a time.
MMO:
Guild Wars
What can I say. This is the MMO I played the longest (not counting MUDs which I'm still playing after 13+ years) and which really got me. Perhaps it lacks the appeal of uber items, uber grinding and some endgame stuff like most modern MMOs, but it has many things to offer still. Not only it is free to play, I really like how low the maximum character level is, how fast the gameplay is (not the storyline though, the main storyline quests are very long and very cool), I love lack of open world there (which rids you of many annoyances) and how focused on PvP it is.
The story is great, the graphics are beautiful (with very low requirements) and I simply love it.
TBS:
Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword
Not going to write much about it. Just read the "[Civ4]Succession game" threads around here to see how awesome it is.
RTS:
Company of Heroes
I don't even know where to start on this one... It has some absolutely fantastic features, like points that give you resources that need to be captured and can be re-captured. Victory points that also have to be captured so turtling from the start is not really an option. Several 'leader traits' to choose from which change the way each army can be played and let you adjust better to the situation on the battlefield. How the first tank that rolls out can REALLY make an impact (and how freaking cool it looks when it runs through a wall and scares the bejesus out of the enemy). How artillery works. How you can destroy most of the terrain.
I just love it...
![[image loading]](http://rtsconcept.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/company_1.jpg)
SPORTS:
Colin MacRae Rally (not necessarily part 4, but definitely not part 3)
I'm not really into sports games, but this one has to take the cake. The sheer awesomeness of the sport and skill required to play this game, along with various multiplayer options make it one of the most enjoyable games ever.
HACK 'N SLASH:
Diablo
The king of H&S games, period. Hellfire expansion sucked (as it was made by different people) and D2 sucked even more.
What can I say... They just don't make the games like they used to.
I think this concludes my short list. Perhaps I will add something later.
  
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Wait did you just said that CoH is better than broodwar on the most hardcore sc community on the internets? D:
(oh and dawn of war 2 is better than coh)
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RTS: STARCRAFT
But yea, played most of these games and they are all great games. So pumped up about the new star wars game, the trailer was amazing! I think it was even a topic about it here @ TL.
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There really is no 'strategy' in CoH. It's pretty much 100% tactics...
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I would certainly not consider Diablo a hack and slash with such a deep loot system and RPG elements.
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On June 20 2010 14:16 Skvid wrote:
Wait did you just said that CoH is better than broodwar on the most hardcore sc community on the internets?
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On June 20 2010 14:16 Skvid wrote:
Wait did you just said that CoH is better than broodwar on the most hardcore sc community on the internets? D:
(oh and dawn of war 2 is better than coh)
So? I've been a part of this community for years now, I like SC a lot, it's a great game but it's not the best. It has the best community in form of TL.net, the best events with coverage and stuff like that, but the game itself is far from being the best. It's people and events around it that make Broodwar great.
And don't ditch CoH so easily, there used to be some people around here that switched to CoH from BW and played it competetively.
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Personally I don't even consider Starcraft to be an RTS game, I just consider it to be THE game. Its in a class of its own.
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Diablo is not a hack n slash, God of War, Devil May Cry, those are hack n slashes.
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Guild War is great if you have good clanmates to play PvP with you. Otherwise it kind of suck.
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On June 20 2010 14:27 Saturnize wrote:
Diablo is not a hack n slash, God of War, Devil May Cry, those are hack n slashes.
Then what is it? It's not RPG for sure. And games like GoW and DMC are very much just dumbed down Diablo with better Graphics.
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And would you please stop all the CoH > BW hate? It's the list of the games I find great and has nothing to do with your own, personal preferences...
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I forgave you for approving of Morrowind, because you said Diablo > Diablo II.
And Company of Heroes is probably the best Real Tactical Squad game around, barring FPS games which make squad dynamics actually interesting.
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On June 20 2010 14:31 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 14:27 Saturnize wrote:
Diablo is not a hack n slash, God of War, Devil May Cry, those are hack n slashes. Then what is it? It's not RPG for sure. And games like GoW and DMC are very much just dumbed down Diablo with better Graphics
its clearly an action/rpg even though the action is very dumbed down. saying its not an RPG for sure is naive. even if you dont consider it one you can't call a game that has a leveling system and manual stat allocation a definite not-rpg
GoW, DMC, heavenly sword are hack and slashes. games with zero content other than hacking and slashing.
hack n slash is also synonymous with "garbage" generally
best hack n slash is No More Heroes
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You have leveling system and stat allocation in many games (ranging from FPS through Sports to RTS). This are not the characteristics of an RPG game. It's the content that matters (character background, story, choices you can make, quests you can do that not involve killing etc.) and defines RPG games, and in this department Diablo doesn't offer much.
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I completly agree with you about Diablo 1 & 2
I think that the level design, the "atmosphere" and even the storyline in Diablo 2 are mediocre. I really liked Act 1 because the music and design is really close of the original diablo but Act 2, 3 and 5 are horrible.
On the other hand even if i have played Diablo 1 after D2 i still feel that the single player is way better and that the game has a real "soul".
However don't get me wrong, i think that Diablo 2 is fascinating. Not because of the art design or anything like that but because of how it works and the amount of time/cheat/abuse you need to pull in this game to get decent characters, especially in hardcore. Yea this is stupid and i would never spend 50 hours to get a godly char with sick items but i think that it is amazing in HC, when you can die because of a stupid disco or a random TPPK.
Btw you are right Diablo is an Hack and Slash with some Rpg mechanics.
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On June 20 2010 16:02 Manit0u wrote:
You have leveling system and stat allocation in many games (ranging from FPS through Sports to RTS). This are not the characteristics of an RPG game. It's the content that matters (character background, story, choices you can make, quests you can do that not involve killing etc.) and defines RPG games, and in this department Diablo doesn't offer much.
yeh you definitely sound like a western gamer. nvm then
you're basically only describing games made by bethesda/bioware. which isn't fair and is a very narrow point of view
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On June 20 2010 16:17 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 16:02 Manit0u wrote:
You have leveling system and stat allocation in many games (ranging from FPS through Sports to RTS). This are not the characteristics of an RPG game. It's the content that matters (character background, story, choices you can make, quests you can do that not involve killing etc.) and defines RPG games, and in this department Diablo doesn't offer much. yeh you definitely sound like a western gamer. nvm then you're basically only describing games made by bethesda/bioware. which isn't fair and is a very narrow point of view
The history of Rpg didn't start with Final Fantasy.
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On June 20 2010 16:24 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 16:17 mOnion wrote:On June 20 2010 16:02 Manit0u wrote:
You have leveling system and stat allocation in many games (ranging from FPS through Sports to RTS). This are not the characteristics of an RPG game. It's the content that matters (character background, story, choices you can make, quests you can do that not involve killing etc.) and defines RPG games, and in this department Diablo doesn't offer much. yeh you definitely sound like a western gamer. nvm then you're basically only describing games made by bethesda/bioware. which isn't fair and is a very narrow point of view The history of Rpg didn't start with Final Fantasy.
didn't say it did.
im more of an atlus fan anyway
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On June 20 2010 16:25 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 16:24 Boblion wrote:On June 20 2010 16:17 mOnion wrote:On June 20 2010 16:02 Manit0u wrote:
You have leveling system and stat allocation in many games (ranging from FPS through Sports to RTS). This are not the characteristics of an RPG game. It's the content that matters (character background, story, choices you can make, quests you can do that not involve killing etc.) and defines RPG games, and in this department Diablo doesn't offer much. yeh you definitely sound like a western gamer. nvm then you're basically only describing games made by bethesda/bioware. which isn't fair and is a very narrow point of view The history of Rpg didn't start with Final Fantasy. didn't say it did.
I don't know why you are talking about bethesda/bioware when there are older Rpg who work the same way 
Anyway dumbed down Rpg and Hack and Slash with Rpg mechanics are pretty much the same. I think we can agree ?
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On June 20 2010 16:30 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 16:25 mOnion wrote:On June 20 2010 16:24 Boblion wrote:On June 20 2010 16:17 mOnion wrote:On June 20 2010 16:02 Manit0u wrote:
You have leveling system and stat allocation in many games (ranging from FPS through Sports to RTS). This are not the characteristics of an RPG game. It's the content that matters (character background, story, choices you can make, quests you can do that not involve killing etc.) and defines RPG games, and in this department Diablo doesn't offer much. yeh you definitely sound like a western gamer. nvm then you're basically only describing games made by bethesda/bioware. which isn't fair and is a very narrow point of view The history of Rpg didn't start with Final Fantasy. didn't say it did. So i don't know why you are talking about bethesda/bioware when there are older Rpg who work the same way.
describing the definition of rpg as he did screams western rpg, which means beth/bioware. its this gross mentality that somehow jrpg's dont count because they dont have an annoying fake "morality" system plaguing obscene amounts of dialogue, which is pretty ridiculous
edit: yeh that is true X_X idunno why i turned this into a jrpg vs wrpg fight
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On June 20 2010 16:17 mOnion wrote:
yeh you definitely sound like a western gamer. nvm then
you're basically only describing games made by bethesda/bioware. which isn't fair and is a very narrow point of view
Funny, because a lot of the really hardcore RPG crowd argue that Bethesda/Bioware don't have *enough* of those elements.
On June 20 2010 16:35 mOnion wrote:
describing the definition of rpg as he did screams western rpg, which means beth/bioware. its this gross mentality that somehow jrpg's dont count because they dont have an annoying fake "morality" system plaguing obscene amounts of dialogue, which is pretty ridiculous
edit: yeh that is true X_X idunno why i turned this into a jrpg vs wrpg fight
To be fair, there is a logic to it--the Western RPG tradition grew out of tabletop RPGs (which used the terminology before video games really started to grow). The experience of a tabletop RPG has nothing to do with loot and stat allocation, but about interaction, story-building, and decision making. To that end, it's understandable to expect a video game that inherits the term "RPG" to stay true to those things.
JRPGs grew out of a different design philosophy, that, while in no way inferior, *is* taking the terminology from something that has an entirely different set of priorities.
@ the OP:
Morrowind - While I am not the biggest Morrowind fan (much preferred the other 3 games you were going to use), I actually prefer it in this slot. KotOR is relatively shallow compared to many other games in the genre, and Fallout/PST have the opposite problem--they're much less approachable for someone relatively new to the genre.
CoH - The CoH hate needs to stop. While I'm not sure I agree with the statement that CoH is better than Brood War, I will note that I think it's an unfair comparison since CoH has not had 10 years for people to discover its depth (in fact, I believe a lot of competitive players think the expansions killed the game).
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I can't tell how Company of Heroes beats SC after reading your description. :/
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Did anyone get an Apocalypse Spell book in Diablo? I only saw scrolls around
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Diablo 1 was really great game, I just can't stand how long it takes to move around.
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Very controversial picks. JO:2 as FPS and CoH as RTS...
For FPS I'd probably pick some Battlefield (preferably 2) or CS.
CoH is... well, CoH. I don't like it. The "control region" crap, the point based system, the gameplay, the WW2 setting ;/ I regret buying this game.
The RPG pick is a little more justified, but I can't really comment on that since I never played Morrowind. Maybe Deus Ex?
MMO I agree, since GW is free, which is an auto-win for me.
TBS: Never played anything beyond Civ II. I'd probably say Civ 2/3 or some Total War game, or simply Heroes 3.
Sports: I don't care. I don't play any sports games.
Hack n' Slash: Obviously the King is D.
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I agree that the atmosphere in D1 seemed better than D2 at the time, but going back a few years ago I realized it was just the age at which I played them....D2 is pretty much exactly like D1 except better in every respect.
Online play in D1 was a lol too....get the best items in the game 5 min after starting a char....duping is actually possible ingame without any hack, hilarious....
Archangel's Staff of Apocalypse...
Anyone remember "ya", the mana potion you wear on your head....gives one hit kills on every monster in the game...fun stuff
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Nice picks, I remember playing jedi knight for the first time, it was a ok game, going around shooting stuff, but then when I got to that part where you have the first lightsaber fight in the hangar, blew me away, loved the game ever since. I tried playing morrowind on several occasions before but my computer was too crappy, the a few months back I decided to give it another try, lets just say I missed 2 weeks of college, the game is amazing. As for rpgs in general, ive always favored Baldurs Gate, Icewind dale and Neverwinter nights, amazing stuff, asides from fallout 2 of course, finished that game like 30 times, I think I could play it in my sleep now, but it never gets old.
Right now im trying to find a game to play, I feel like ive played literally everything good that my computer can run. hell, the last fps i played were quake 4 and half life 2 (love half life so much, the first one was brilliant, but the second one just has that special feel to me)
So, if any of you wanna throw some games out there, new or old (but not too new) it would be a big help 
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really wish I played GW more, me and my friends played through the storyline when it came out and had no idea about the whole pvp system at all and quit, lol
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On June 20 2010 19:14 sob3k wrote:
I agree that the atmosphere in D1 seemed better than D2 at the time, but going back a few years ago I realized it was just the age at which I played them....D2 is pretty much exactly like D1 except better in every respect.
Online play in D1 was a lol too....get the best items in the game 5 min after starting a char....duping is actually possible ingame without any hack, hilarious....
Archangel's Staff of Apocalypse...
Anyone remember "ya", the mana potion you wear on your head....gives one hit kills on every monster in the game...fun stuff
I'm still playing D1 on occasion while I'm unable to play D2. Even though D1 has worse graphics in theory, it still looks better, and D2 bores me somewhere around Act 1 now, can't even make it to the Monastery without uninstalling it...
For me, it has nothing to do with age, more with the general atmosphere in the game.
And on the CoH > BW again. I'll admit it, I enjoyed playing CoH more than BW, hell, I enjoyed WC2 and WC3 more than BW too. Sue me.
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On June 21 2010 02:57 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 19:14 sob3k wrote:
I agree that the atmosphere in D1 seemed better than D2 at the time, but going back a few years ago I realized it was just the age at which I played them....D2 is pretty much exactly like D1 except better in every respect.
Online play in D1 was a lol too....get the best items in the game 5 min after starting a char....duping is actually possible ingame without any hack, hilarious....
Archangel's Staff of Apocalypse...
Anyone remember "ya", the mana potion you wear on your head....gives one hit kills on every monster in the game...fun stuff I'll admit it, I enjoyed WC3 more than BW. Sue me. but thats horrible! wc3 is a terrible rts game! clunky, slow reacting and slow moving units, random drops and leveling your character...
but wc2 certainly was awesome. i still remember how i loved the music, the sounds the units would make and the voice that briefed you on your missions. youre right, atmosphere was a lot more valuable for a game to distinguish itself from others at that time than it is now.
and i absolutely looooooooooooove morrowind!!! but it is troublesome to find and install all the good mods (not organized).
edit: its strange that i was even disappointed with oblivion and felt that it couldnt live up to its predecessor. it was different from wc2 and diablo though. i could enjoy d2 and diablo classic felt somewhat like a different genre, because d2 was more about rushing and slashing through your enemies to get to the next boss, while diablo classic was about getting through the whole thing alive (at least for me). with elder scrolls on the other hand i just couldnt stand the shinyness of oblivion and that made me quite sad.
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On June 21 2010 06:35 enzym wrote:
edit: its strange that i was even disappointed with oblivion and felt that it couldnt live up to its predecessor. it was different from wc2 and diablo though. i could enjoy d2 and diablo classic felt somewhat like a different genre, because d2 was more about rushing and slashing through your enemies to get to the next boss, while diablo classic was about getting through the whole thing alive (at least for me). with elder scrolls on the other hand i just couldnt stand the shinyness of oblivion and that made me quite sad.
I don't find this strange at all. Most people I know that enjoyed Morrowind did not like oblivion. Conversely, most people I know that enjoyed Oblivion had not played Morrowind.
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strange, I played oblivion and morrowind, and even though I acknowledge them to be entirely different games, I enjoyed both of them quite much, and I played morrowind first. Morrowind is a much more complex and intriguing game, but oblivion offered me quests that brought more fun. In the end I dont regret playing any of them ,and would recommend them to everyone.
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Goodish picks. Needs moar Deus Ex.
WTF are you nooblets talking about diablo > diablo 2. Bullcrap imo...diablo may have better atmosphere but it is less developed, and gets BORING later on because of no real change of scenery. Whereas DUDES, COME ON, Act 1 of diablo 2 is just pure amazing. Tristram, Deckard Cain, The Smith, Andariel's lair. Fucking amazing. And then Lut Gholein, what an awesome change of scenery. Third act pretty gay. Fourth act pretty awesome tbh. You guys are being like 'cool' for liking the older game, but I played both diablo and diablo 2 SO FUCKING MUCH and you just can't honestly take diablo 2 over diablo, diablo 2 just so much deeper and more epic.
Morrowind is better than Oblivion, yes, but Oblivion is more enjoyable playing experience if you just want to wander around the forest and explore shit.
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Wouldn't really call it an FPS, but JO:2 is an excellent pick.
D2 did have a great atmosphere as well.
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morrowind? really?
and for some weird reason, i enjoyed civ iv colonization way more than the other three, lol. i really dont have a full reason for it...
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On June 20 2010 15:07 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 14:31 Manit0u wrote:On June 20 2010 14:27 Saturnize wrote:
Diablo is not a hack n slash, God of War, Devil May Cry, those are hack n slashes. Then what is it? It's not RPG for sure. And games like GoW and DMC are very much just dumbed down Diablo with better Graphics its clearly an action/rpg even though the action is very dumbed down. saying its not an RPG for sure is naive. even if you dont consider it one you can't call a game that has a leveling system and manual stat allocation a definite not-rpg GoW, DMC, heavenly sword are hack and slashes. games with zero content other than hacking and slashing. hack n slash is also synonymous with "garbage" generally best hack n slash is No More Heroes
You forget yourself. The king of all hack N slash, Ninja Gaiden for Xbox
EPIC GAME
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All i remember about Act 2 is a bunch of stupid birds, snakes and beetles.
Talk about enemy design lol
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and the random cat ladies. And the crazy ass weird long legged mac daddies! Not to forget those weird sorcerors in the alternate dimension. Act 2 was tite. Sick music too. Everyone loves getting the cube, too :D
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On June 21 2010 11:42 sc4k wrote:
and the random cat ladies. And the crazy ass weird long legged mac daddies! Not to forget those weird sorcerors in the alternate dimension. Act 2 was tite. Sick music too. Everyone loves getting the cube, too :D
Cube = mass-production of Full Rejuvenation Potions.
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I recommend Severance: Blade of Darkness.
An old game, afaik it wasn't finished (as in refined, the game has an actual end) before it was published, but it's such a fucking awesome game.
It's an extremely gory and dark third-person RPG/Action game with a fantasy setting, but you can pretty much ignore the RPG part, as it only consists of you leveling up every once in a while and finding new weapons and possibly armour in some of the levels. But the action itself, along with the atmosphere make this game 100% worth playing, even with a highly lacking storyline. Gritty, dark, abandoned ruins and castles, with golems and orcs and dark archers and skeletons lurking in shadowy corners. The atmosphere of the game, is simply put, brilliant, and that's the sole reason it remains one of the most memorable games for me. The combat is very cleverly implemented, very crisp and realistic, and maybe I say this because I played this game at a young age, but it's so freaking hard and rewarding at the same time.
What's also present is a very subtle 'trademark' if you will, of older games like this one which were made with passion and effort (unlike today -.-) is at the finale of the game, when you defeat the last guy, you have an option to do an extra level called The Abyss. Now you don't HAVE to complete this last level, and it's twice or even thrice the size of a normal level, however it is FUCKING HARD as shit, it's basically one boss fight after another.
Anyhow on topic, I agree with most of the recommendations, and I'd like to add that there's a Jedi Knight game called Jedi Academy, which came out a short while after Jedi Outcast. It's basically a game on the same engine, and while the combat system has some definite improvements, the story is turned to shit, and the atmosphere/continuity is really lacking, I'd still recommend both games actually, but if you will try them both you MUST play Outcast first.
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Awesome, for the longest time i thought i was the only one who thought Diablo > Diablo II but apparently not. Cheers 
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On June 21 2010 11:40 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 15:07 mOnion wrote:On June 20 2010 14:31 Manit0u wrote:On June 20 2010 14:27 Saturnize wrote:
Diablo is not a hack n slash, God of War, Devil May Cry, those are hack n slashes. Then what is it? It's not RPG for sure. And games like GoW and DMC are very much just dumbed down Diablo with better Graphics its clearly an action/rpg even though the action is very dumbed down. saying its not an RPG for sure is naive. even if you dont consider it one you can't call a game that has a leveling system and manual stat allocation a definite not-rpg GoW, DMC, heavenly sword are hack and slashes. games with zero content other than hacking and slashing. hack n slash is also synonymous with "garbage" generally best hack n slash is No More Heroes You forget yourself. The king of all hack N slash, Ninja Gaiden for Xbox EPIC GAME
i dont like to count games that make me throw my controller through the window in rage X_X
ninja gaiden is way too hard and not even gratifying.
unlike say, Mega Man or Demon's Souls
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Diablo is considered a rogue/rpg game
and I guess you really really love pc games
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On June 20 2010 14:16 Skvid wrote:
Wait did you just said that CoH is better than broodwar on the most hardcore sc community on the internets? D:
(oh and dawn of war 2 is better than coh)
CoH >>>>> All relic RTS games
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On June 21 2010 16:24 MrHoon wrote:
Diablo is considered a rogue/rpg game
and I guess you really really love pc games
I've never owned a console in my life and I don't really intend to (the only thing they're good for is fighting games and Flower and I'm not gonna buy PS3 just for that).
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well thats an out and out lie
but w/e, enjoy not playing 90% of the good games ever made
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On June 20 2010 14:17 FragKrag wrote:
There really is no 'strategy' in CoH. It's pretty much 100% tactics...
Go to Flash of Steel and they will say that about Stracraft. The strategy/tactics divide is rather arbitrary.
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On June 20 2010 19:04 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Diablo 1 was really great game, I just can't stand how long it takes to move around.
Obviously that doesn't bother him since he also picked Morrowind. Seriously, I mean it's a great game and the world is fucking huge, in fact the largest I ever saw but it's too big in my opinion. It just takes you AGES to get anywhere and if you don't know that you can wear the Boots of Blinding Speed without being blinded the game is fucking annoying.
Also the ratio size of the map/population on the map is ridiculous. Vivec has like what, 100 NPC's? Also the leveling system is, while interesting, somehow stupid. Running and jumping all the time to get Athletics + Acrobatic up, taking basic unenchanted weapons to minimize the damage and thus maximizing the speed you level up the weapon skill, letting your character get beat up by 3 rats and go watching TV in the meantime to level up the armor skill.....................................
I personally liked the Baldurs Gate series much more.
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Well, if you play and abuse the game system it sure is no fun. I never did any of the things you mentioned in Morrowind. And I never wore BoBS (hate them) either.
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But how can you enjoy the game then? I mean, there are like 200 quests you can do and for 100 or so you have to walk 10 minutes, fight 5 and teleport back. This is ridiculous. Or if you wanna level up a skill. Some trainers are in the middle of fucking nowhere. Even if you have all propylon indices it takes you ages to get to some places without anything happening, it's just walking, the same like in Diablo 1. Why on earth is the witch not only on the other side of the creek but also at the most far-off place on the map? It's so annoying. Same for Wirt(?), the child selling weapons. With the expansion pack they added the ability to run in the town which was really a plus. But Diablo 1 itself was a pain in the ass. And the dungeons were no better. The sorcerer is better than rogue/knight just due to the fact that he can teleport all the time (not to mention the imba AOE spells).
I mean, the games are still great and I played them both a lot, but regarding the atmosphere they are awful because you spend 5 minutes out of 10 walking.
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You can't have non-stop action. The game would be incredibly boring without this occasional breaks when you have to walk from point A to point B.
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On June 21 2010 15:18 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 11:40 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On June 20 2010 15:07 mOnion wrote:On June 20 2010 14:31 Manit0u wrote:On June 20 2010 14:27 Saturnize wrote:
Diablo is not a hack n slash, God of War, Devil May Cry, those are hack n slashes. Then what is it? It's not RPG for sure. And games like GoW and DMC are very much just dumbed down Diablo with better Graphics its clearly an action/rpg even though the action is very dumbed down. saying its not an RPG for sure is naive. even if you dont consider it one you can't call a game that has a leveling system and manual stat allocation a definite not-rpg GoW, DMC, heavenly sword are hack and slashes. games with zero content other than hacking and slashing. hack n slash is also synonymous with "garbage" generally best hack n slash is No More Heroes You forget yourself. The king of all hack N slash, Ninja Gaiden for Xbox EPIC GAME i dont like to count games that make me throw my controller through the window in rage X_X ninja gaiden is way too hard and not even gratifying. unlike say, Mega Man or Demon's Souls
Are you a joke? Mega Man was SO hard!
After 13 damn years, I STILL haven't beaten it. Where as ninja gaiden was an 25 hour-ish run.
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On June 22 2010 08:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 15:18 mOnion wrote:On June 21 2010 11:40 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On June 20 2010 15:07 mOnion wrote:On June 20 2010 14:31 Manit0u wrote:On June 20 2010 14:27 Saturnize wrote:
Diablo is not a hack n slash, God of War, Devil May Cry, those are hack n slashes. Then what is it? It's not RPG for sure. And games like GoW and DMC are very much just dumbed down Diablo with better Graphics its clearly an action/rpg even though the action is very dumbed down. saying its not an RPG for sure is naive. even if you dont consider it one you can't call a game that has a leveling system and manual stat allocation a definite not-rpg GoW, DMC, heavenly sword are hack and slashes. games with zero content other than hacking and slashing. hack n slash is also synonymous with "garbage" generally best hack n slash is No More Heroes You forget yourself. The king of all hack N slash, Ninja Gaiden for Xbox EPIC GAME i dont like to count games that make me throw my controller through the window in rage X_X ninja gaiden is way too hard and not even gratifying. unlike say, Mega Man or Demon's Souls Are you a joke? Mega Man was SO hard! After 13 damn years, I STILL haven't beaten it. Where as ninja gaiden was an 25 hour-ish run. + Show Spoiler +
i know they're hard. thats not what i said.
ninja gaiden = hard and not gratifying. you feel no personal gain from overcoming difficulty
megaman/demons souls = hard and gratifying. obstacles are intense but the feeling you get from succeeding makes it all worthwhile
i like how you say "it" as if there's only one megaman, not thirty
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What about this game its pretty good ever heard of it?
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