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In recent days a series of events have revealed Blizzard's decision making have brought dissatisfaction of their fans.
All of this is done for money. ie. removal of LAN not only just to prevent piracy, but forcing users to use Bnet2.0 also generate revenue from advertising, map selling, ability to host chat channel, ability to host games with features (ie LAN-like latency) etc.
However, Blizzard is forgetting one thing. WE, the fans, are the masters to whom Blizzard serves. NOT the shareholders Activision-Blizzard. Blizzard is a mere servant and is expendable.
Look at Starcraft for example. Why was it godly popular in Korea but not in USA? Because the gamers and fans of SK supported SC. It is not because SK broadcaster had more money than US ones. It is not because the SK version of SC is more fun than the US copy.
If our servant fails to please us, he will be replaced. Blizzard has no monopoly over us. The video game industry is cut throat, many (Command and Conquer, Halo Wars, Guitar Hero) programmers and game developers have been fired in the last 2 yrs. They are eager to seek a new master.
As the Joker once said, "There is only one opening, so we are going to have.... tryout. Make it fast."
  
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Blizzard is a business. Money comes first, we come second, we are not their "masters".
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On May 31 2010 14:52 Megalisk wrote:
Blizzard is a business. Money comes first, we come second, we are not their "masters".
who do you think they get their money from?
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On May 31 2010 14:54 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 14:52 Megalisk wrote:
Blizzard is a business. Money comes first, we come second, we are not their "masters". who do you think they get their money from?
the masses of casuals.
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On May 31 2010 14:54 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 14:52 Megalisk wrote:
Blizzard is a business. Money comes first, we come second, we are not their "masters". who do you think they get their money from?
wow subs
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Reminds me of something said on that After Talk concerning the scandal that stuck out to me.
Are the fans the root or the fruit?
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On May 31 2010 14:58 404.Delirium wrote:
Reminds me of something said on that After Talk concerning the scandal that stuck out to me.
Are the fans the root or the fruit?
They start as the fruit, then the seed falls and they become the plant, thats how I see it.
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Lumping all 'fans' together in any discussion is probably a big mistake. It's a more complicated issue than you make it out to be.
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If they find that what they are doing now won't make them much money, they are bound to change it. Albeit it might be a long and slow process. They will be happy long as they make the cash along the way. They are probably thinking of maximizing profits over a long period of time on sc2, so they don't want to exactly "perfect" it off the bat.
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Blizzard's only obligation is to turn a profit, but the best way to turn a profit is to make a quality game that people want. Hopefully Blizzard will be able to overcome the Activision-taint and release a good game.
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You are totally misunderstanding the situation. We really don't have much power at all in the end.
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On May 31 2010 14:48 dybydx wrote:
Look at Starcraft for example. Why was it godly popular in Korea but not in USA? Because the gamers and fans of SK supported SC. It is not because SK broadcaster had more money than US ones.
Actually, it's both.
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you have a terrible understanding of the business world in general, such that I couldnt even begin to discuss with you the logic behind blizzards decisions or anything applying the the situation as a whole.
also you quoted an imaginary character.
just know you're wrong.
we are not blizzards masters. profit comes first, fans are a bi product of profit.
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On May 31 2010 14:54 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 14:52 Megalisk wrote:
Blizzard is a business. Money comes first, we come second, we are not their "masters". who do you think they get their money from?
They get their money from the 3459384590438393083094 people who will buy the game and don't give a shit about LAN latency and stuff like that. I'm sure the TL community is only a small proportion of the actual SC2 players that will flood stores to buy the game. Blizzard doesn't give a shit about you, or us... get used to it.
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On May 31 2010 14:57 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 14:54 dybydx wrote:On May 31 2010 14:52 Megalisk wrote:
Blizzard is a business. Money comes first, we come second, we are not their "masters". who do you think they get their money from? the masses of casuals.
Exactly. SC2 is not WOW. There is no monthly fee. Whether you play the game 6 months or 11 years, they don't make extra money. (there is some advertising on b.net, but I don't think it is substantial).
Why would they make effort to satisfy 10 thousand TLers if they can satisfy 10 millions casual gamers.
Edit : Xeris is faster 
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On May 31 2010 14:58 404.Delirium wrote:
Reminds me of something said on that After Talk concerning the scandal that stuck out to me.
Are the fans the root or the fruit?
The fans are both. They start and end the corporation. Strangely its also the group whose interests have not been looked after.
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On May 31 2010 14:48 dybydx wrote:
If our servant fails to please us, he will be replaced. Blizzard has no monopoly over us. The video game industry is cut throat, many (Command and Conquer, Halo Wars, Guitar Hero) programmers and game developers have been fired in the last 2 yrs. They are eager to seek a new master.
Blizzard in effect has a monopoly over us by virtue of the fact that no other major RTS developer can really deliver the same gameplay experience.
SC1 blows SC2 out of the water, but SC2 also trumps every other major RTS by just as much.
On May 31 2010 14:57 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 14:54 dybydx wrote:On May 31 2010 14:52 Megalisk wrote:
Blizzard is a business. Money comes first, we come second, we are not their "masters". who do you think they get their money from? the masses of casuals.
Given the issues mentioned with regard to employee benefits brought up in the Activision-Blizzard history thread:
On May 30 2010 07:18 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 07:07 FrozenArbiter wrote:On May 30 2010 06:46 The6357 wrote:
sounds like Blizzard is a bad place to work...and no wonder Blizzard puts "Blizzard is Hiring" ad on b.net...they can't keep their employees!!!! Dunno if this post is serious, but I think Blizzard is probably still one of the very best places in the gaming industry to work... I very much doubt they have any issues pertaining to employee retention. Knowing somebody that works there, it's a great environment. They are trying to cut benefits but Morhaine is holding strong. Also, the employees are stuck in an interesting position. From what I've heard they get pretty ridiculously good percs from activision, but everyone's alliance still lies with Morhaine. (at least the old timers)
I would say that Morhaime and Kotick are the masters of virtually all of Blizzard, seeing as they control who gets paid how much (which, at the employee level, is the only thing that actually affects anyone). And Kotick probably has enough control over Morhaime on a lot of issues to have control over everything that Morhaime isn't extremely adamant about.
As romantic as it sounds for the fans to be the ultimate decider, it's really not the case for the most part. Yeah, if Blizzard's sales are poor, heads will roll and people will get fired, but if they start going out of line with regard to what Activision wants them to do, that's also going to make heads roll and get people fired (look what happened to Infinity Ward).
In the long term, we make an impact on what's going to happen, but in the short term, that's not realistic. I'm sure most of the Blizzard employees would rather get fired in 18 months rather than get fired now.
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On May 31 2010 15:14 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 14:57 kNyTTyM wrote:On May 31 2010 14:54 dybydx wrote:On May 31 2010 14:52 Megalisk wrote:
Blizzard is a business. Money comes first, we come second, we are not their "masters". who do you think they get their money from? the masses of casuals. Given the issues mentioned with regard to employee benefits brought up in the Activision-Blizzard history thread: Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 07:18 Froadac wrote:On May 30 2010 07:07 FrozenArbiter wrote:On May 30 2010 06:46 The6357 wrote:
sounds like Blizzard is a bad place to work...and no wonder Blizzard puts "Blizzard is Hiring" ad on b.net...they can't keep their employees!!!! Dunno if this post is serious, but I think Blizzard is probably still one of the very best places in the gaming industry to work... I very much doubt they have any issues pertaining to employee retention. Knowing somebody that works there, it's a great environment. They are trying to cut benefits but Morhaine is holding strong. Also, the employees are stuck in an interesting position. From what I've heard they get pretty ridiculously good percs from activision, but everyone's alliance still lies with Morhaine. (at least the old timers) I would say that Morhaime and Kotick are the masters of virtually all of Blizzard, seeing as they control who gets paid how much (which, at the employee level, is the only thing that actually affects anyone). And Kotick probably has enough control over Morhaime on a lot of issues to have control over everything that Morhaime isn't extremely adamant about. As romantic as it sounds for the fans to be the ultimate decider, it's really not the case for the most part. Yeah, if Blizzard's sales are poor, heads will roll and people will get fired, but if they start going out of line with regard to what Activision wants them to do, that's also going to make heads roll and get people fired (look what happened to Infinity Ward). In the long term, we make an impact on what's going to happen, but in the short term, that's not realistic. I'm sure most of the Blizzard employees would rather get fired in 18 months rather than get fired now.
im not understanding this activision >>> blizzard garbage people keep spraying.
blizzard still remains as a separate entity and held all their corporate leadership after the merger.
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In the end they will do what it takes to satisfy its customers if they want to keep their profits high. If they don't do certain things, its because the majority of the customers either do not care or are against such changes. Unfortunately a majority of the people probably do not see esports as anything very serious or significant to care about all the "bad" blizzard might be doing to it.
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