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[SC2] My Feelings Thus Far

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iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
March 11 2010 17:07 GMT
#1
Warning this is a wall of text broken up as nicely as possible

Preface

I'm going to start out first by saying I'm a zerg player and I don't know much about the 3 non zerg matchups so I'll be talking from that perspective.

Secondly the game has come quite some way since Blizzcon, I didn't have this amazing feeling I have about the game now back then.

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Chapter 1 General Feelings

2 weeks in I feel like I'm playing a polished SC:BW as far as game flow goes, the interface is so much easier to manipulate and it allows me to be competitive with relatively low apm(150-200) which turns this into a very intelligence based game. Don't get me wrong though it's definitely still a MACRO game there isn't a whole lot of cutesy things happening yet with micro tricks.
The game on "Faster" is actually a bit faster than SC:BW was on "Fastest" I don't feel like MBS or Automine has really destroyed the game at all however one thing that is really hard to get used to is hitting saturation so fast ~20 drones per base. I'm so used to pumping drones through out the game. I've also heard a lot of concerns about the auto micro and I'm having none of that, while the auto surround is annoying at times and makes that easier for you no one can tell me that micro is dead or super simple, certain parts of it may be easier but you still need to worry about the most important parts of micro, positioning and target firing, as any mistakes in these areas WILL lose you a lot of games; I know that for a fact .

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Chapter 2 The Swarm
Oh man I'm so split on the Zerg. The first few days of the beta I was like a Bipolar Chihuahua. At first I loved the zerg and was ecstatic at how awesome everything in the swarm was(even without scourge and defiler) then I'd hit some brick wall and I'd bitch to myself about how zerg was shit and playing them was not going anywhere and how much I should switch to toss. It was really just inexperience, you could say I got some meds and I'm controlling my bipolar symptoms because I'm completely at ease with playing zerg now they feel right and I will enjoy them for a long time to come.

-The Queen
Where do I start from here? Queens are pretty sweet they have 3 really useful abilities although transfuse is VERY situational. Inject larva has been talked about a BILLION TIMES so I won't say anything about it. Creep Tumor...this is so unbelievably underused, all I have to say is replace your 2nd larva injection with this and you'll be golden, the 2nd larva injection ends up having idle larva anyways because your eco isn't rolling fast enough. Creep Tumors do 2 things, Spread your creep AND scouting. These little guys are the most baller use of 25 energy in the game. Think about it if you spread your creep around the map before they have detectors you always have a speed advantage vs toss and terran AND it can be done before lair O_o it also helps you get spines to your front if you want to block your ramp, in general USE CREEP TUMOR. Now transfuse...people are calling this worthless but it's so key to holding off banshee rushes. 2 queens transfusing each other can completely hold this off until hydras or spores can get out and that alone makes this a good ability that you should be glad you have. Missing 8 larva is better than missing 10 drones and a queen.

-The Infestor
This seems...weak, I haven't played too many matches with them yet but it's really a shitty defiler. I agree with the sentiment of get rid of infested terrans...such a dumb ability also fungal growth's radius is so small I don't even know if it's worth it, it's already a bad version of plague then they made it smaller but maybe it's the exact same with things like wrath of god psi storm. Neural parasite is alright but it leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth for some reason just seems like it could be better and I'm not sure how to tweak it without it becoming imba.

-The Roach
Fuck Roaches. This is the single dumbest unit idea ever put into a game imo. I know everyone calls them key to all 3 matchups but to be honest if I wasn't forced into that fox hole I wouldn't even use them in ZvZ. Roaches are AWFUL Hydralisks and push back Zerg's AA to tier 2. I've actually had MORE success vs protoss and terran without going roaches because so many of them rush immortal or marauder just to counter the impending roach rush to which I laugh as my light units take no bonus damage from them. Hydra Speedling Baneling vs Terran is so much stronger than any roach composition. VS Toss Hydras have the range to take out collossi and roaches don't and speedlings kill everything toss can throw at you not called collossi then this build pigeon holes the toss into countering your ground forces and you easily transition into mutas to win, I've played so many games vs toss where my hive was only for the +3 carapace on my lings...Anyways I avoid roaches because I feel like they are a waste of life that shouldn't be in the game and single handedly forced lurkers out by forcing hydras to Tier 2........fuck roaches seriously I want them out of the game and I don't even think they're imba

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Chapter 3 Conclusions
Zerg feels good Toss feels good Terran makes me smile and think instant victory, only banshees are giving me serious problems atm so they could use a bit of love, then again in the hands of someone like Cowgomoo terran is nothing to scoff at. These are my feelings though and while I'm not the best player ever (50th in my division in plat) I'm having fun which is something that hasn't happened with videogames in quite some time for me. I'm also getting better every day and you should come watch my stream(hopefully verification clears this time) It's a very entertaining time to be in my stream.

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=iSiN
or
http://www.livestream.com/TLiSin

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Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
March 11 2010 17:24 GMT
#2
the only problem i have with the ai is it doesn't listen to me sometimes. ill tell a group of units to retreat and they will turn right around and start attacking again or my scouting worker will see the other scout and start chasing it.
Better than Pokebunny
zergpower123
Profile Joined December 2009
United States197 Posts
March 11 2010 17:47 GMT
#3
whats your thoughts on ultra, corruptor, broodlords, and spine/spore crawlers?
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
March 11 2010 17:53 GMT
#4
On March 12 2010 02:24 Foreplay wrote:
the only problem i have with the ai is it doesn't listen to me sometimes. ill tell a group of units to retreat and they will turn right around and start attacking again or my scouting worker will see the other scout and start chasing it.

I'm pretty sure this is caused by hitting control and right clicking, just make sure you stop hotkeying a group while moving and it shouldn't happen.

On March 12 2010 02:47 zergpower123 wrote:
whats your thoughts on ultra, corruptor, broodlords, and spine/spore crawlers?

Ultra=Amazing endgame unit probably the best in the game once you hit about 6-8 in your unit composition. Marauder tank dispatches them kind of easy though I've found but the cleave is so good.

Corruptor=Pivotal Air to Air unit with a great ability, nothing like slowing down upgrades of an opponent to catch up or stopping macro capabilities.

Broodlord feels like it's only place is in being a siege unit, kinda falls short of expectations unless someone is turtling hard.

Spine and spore crawlers feel SLIGHTLY underpowered but that could be made up with by the fact that I can move my cannons around and Toss can't :p
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 11 2010 18:09 GMT
#5
I don't use roaches a lot either (except for zvz) and have been quite successful with it. Unless a protoss decides to get a late gas and thus asks for a roach rush.
A few roaches against hellions are ok too, and in general they are good units to mix in as tanks.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
March 11 2010 18:39 GMT
#6
On March 12 2010 03:09 spinesheath wrote:
I don't use roaches a lot either (except for zvz) and have been quite successful with it. Unless a protoss decides to get a late gas and thus asks for a roach rush.
A few roaches against hellions are ok too, and in general they are good units to mix in as tanks.

speedling spinecrawler deals with 2gate just fine like how you did in SC1 and it leaves your gas free to get a tech advantage
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
CheeC[h]
Profile Joined August 2009
United States137 Posts
March 11 2010 19:25 GMT
#7
what is your rank/division
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
March 11 2010 20:28 GMT
#8
On March 12 2010 04:25 CheeC[h] wrote:
what is your rank/division


I'm in division Reading Comprehension it's newly added.

On March 12 2010 02:07 iSiN wrote:
These are my feelings though and while I'm not the best player ever (50th in my division in plat) I'm having fun which is something that hasn't happened with videogames in quite some time for me. I'm also getting better every day and you should come watch my stream(hopefully verification clears this time) It's a very entertaining time to be in my stream.

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=iSiN
or
http://www.livestream.com/TLiSin


In all seriousness I'm in division 15 of platinum
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-11 20:34:10
March 11 2010 20:32 GMT
#9
On March 12 2010 04:25 CheeC[h] wrote:
what is your rank/division

perhaps you should read the entire post before asking...

hint: it's in the last paragraph =.=

edit: awww op beat me to it... didn't refresh page after reading
( ・´ー・`)
CheeC[h]
Profile Joined August 2009
United States137 Posts
March 12 2010 08:23 GMT
#10
strange i completely missed it lol, i even read it twice o.0 .. reading comprehension is a good skill to have . why do you feel that when you are facing terran it is auto win?
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
March 15 2010 14:41 GMT
#11
Well up until I encountered so crazy harass builds -> banshees it really was an auto win also the slight nerf to hydras make holding off banshees so hard
Anyways I'm probably 80% win rate vs terrans in platinum. I just defend and expand and then run them over with ultra hydra bane/speedling
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
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