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eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
February 19 2010 06:25 GMT
#21
SC2 looks like a masterpiece already (not yet in terms of balance) and i'm fairly sure I'll only be touching SC for the sake of nostalgia from now on.
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
February 19 2010 06:28 GMT
#22
SC2 will be to SC what CS:Source is to CS:1.6 D:
people are always going to complaint about how it's not as good as the original...
Still looks pretty cool and if anything I'm excited for the cinematix clips/awesome storyline Blizzard has got us used to.
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Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
February 19 2010 06:29 GMT
#23
Someone needs to mark this day on the calendar. It surely is the death knell of starcraft BW. Tis a sad day.
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MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
February 19 2010 06:37 GMT
#24
On February 19 2010 15:29 Warrior Madness wrote:
Someone needs to mark this day on the calendar. It surely is the death knell of starcraft BW. Tis a sad day.

stop saying that..u dont knwo this for sure..there is still progaming in korea and still going very strong.
We have competitive ladder, strong community, progaming in Korea going strong, perfectly balanced game..why do we need sc2? #1 ANTI-SC2 fan
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
February 19 2010 06:59 GMT
#25
IMO you should all be hoping starcraft 2 is a good enough game that starcraft 1 does 'die'. Starcraft 1 dying isnt a problem, its if starcraft 2 isnt enough to kill it and take its place we have a problem, because then we will have the same situations tons of competitive games have had before us (and even us to some extent), of the more recent game getting the tournaments even tho the hardcore and competitive gamers prefer the old.

eg's: quake 4 vs quake 3, cs 1.6 vs cs source, ssb:melee vs ssb:brawl and to some extent sc:bw vs wc3.
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Radiomouse
Profile Joined November 2009
Netherlands209 Posts
February 19 2010 07:19 GMT
#26
On February 19 2010 15:59 Ftrunkz wrote:
IMO you should all be hoping starcraft 2 is a good enough game that starcraft 1 does 'die'. Starcraft 1 dying isnt a problem, its if starcraft 2 isnt enough to kill it and take its place we have a problem, because then we will have the same situations tons of competitive games have had before us (and even us to some extent), of the more recent game getting the tournaments even tho the hardcore and competitive gamers prefer the old.

eg's: quake 4 vs quake 3, cs 1.6 vs cs source, ssb:melee vs ssb:brawl and to some extent sc:bw vs wc3.


Smartest post in this blog.

No matter what everyone might think about starcraft2 and/or sc:bw, the fact of the matter is that when starcraft2 comes out officially, all the foreign money is going to be going to starcraft 2.

The only question is wether or not korea will actually join in and abandon starcraft completely. But all the foreigners you love to see play now will have a proper shot at making a living off of starcraft 2 because of the money that is going to come in from sponsors(starcraft 2 is shiny, requires better computers and is hyped up, 3 good reasons why sponsors will favor starcraft2 competitions over any other to sponsor).
ToeJam
Profile Joined April 2009
United States282 Posts
February 19 2010 07:55 GMT
#27
A constant complaint amongst progamers is that competitive BW has stagnated. With this in their minds, I am certain that once the game is in a competitive state and KeSPA stops being such a prissy princess, they will all likely switch over.

Unfortunately, the money has to be there, though. Once the money moves over to SC2, SC1 will slowly die out as sponsors put up less money and teams split up their current lineup into SC2.

Competitive SC1 will die out at most 2 years after SC2 comes out would be my guess. But hey, CS never died when CS: Source came out.
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
February 19 2010 08:27 GMT
#28
On February 19 2010 15:59 Ftrunkz wrote:
IMO you should all be hoping starcraft 2 is a good enough game that starcraft 1 does 'die'. Starcraft 1 dying isnt a problem, its if starcraft 2 isnt enough to kill it and take its place we have a problem, because then we will have the same situations tons of competitive games have had before us (and even us to some extent), of the more recent game getting the tournaments even tho the hardcore and competitive gamers prefer the old.

eg's: quake 4 vs quake 3, cs 1.6 vs cs source, ssb:melee vs ssb:brawl and to some extent sc:bw vs wc3.


Ehh actually kind of true. I mean if SC2 had all the shit that we loved about BW everybody including myself wouldn't hestitate at all to switch immediately..
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
February 19 2010 09:21 GMT
#29
I agree that if SC2 is a great game it will replace BW overall, however if for whatever reason it isn't as good as BW or just doesn't lend itself to good competitive gaming then I don't see KeSPA sacking BW. They certainly wont get rid of it immediately, and if it isn't as successful as BW I would expect the progamers to just return to brood war. Same is true of the hardcore SC fans, if SC2 isn;t particularly awe inspiring I imagine most will return to play BW.

Now, this might put starcraft into a more niche slot, because any newcomers won't likely play BW because it's outdated. I guess it feels to me that BW would die out in two ways. Either a) SC2 is an awesome game and complete success, in which case it replaces BW and could quite possibly gather steam for ESports outside of Korea, b) SC2 is just another RTS, in which case BW might slowly die off over 3,4,5+ years as there would become less of an influx of players.

IMO you should all be hoping starcraft 2 is a good enough game that starcraft 1 does 'die'. Starcraft 1 dying isnt a problem, its if starcraft 2 isnt enough to kill it and take its place we have a problem, because then we will have the same situations tons of competitive games have had before us (and even us to some extent), of the more recent game getting the tournaments even tho the hardcore and competitive gamers prefer the old.


I agree with this.
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Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
February 19 2010 09:41 GMT
#30
BW ~ Chess. You don't abolish chess.
SCII ~ A fleeting experience.

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that's just my personal emotion about this whole thing. when i look at progaming in korea, when i look at tsl, i don't see a problem with myself watching broodwar in 10-15 years - with the same graphics. so the comparison to chess was not random. chess also got boring graphics, but still the game is played because the gameplay is just so unique and "deep".
scii only is a worthy compensation if the level of play doesn't drop, meaning the heights to which supertalented and super ambitious individuals (e.g. flash, jaedong) can take this game.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
February 19 2010 13:56 GMT
#31
Korean progaming will last as long as they find sponsors, hope they will not fuck up MSL finals again, cuz this sucked big times for the fans.

I think almost everyone wants to keep playing BW. The real issue is that some will people quit, their friends will probably quit as well and little by little servers gonna be empty. And when there won't be enough players to earn a decent ad revenue, iccup server will probably close down. This is sad to say because I wanna play BW forever, but lets just face the truth, will you still play if you need 30 minutes to find a game and all the friends you used to play with for 8 years are playing SC2 now ?
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tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada718 Posts
February 19 2010 16:39 GMT
#32
On February 19 2010 15:59 Ftrunkz wrote:
IMO you should all be hoping starcraft 2 is a good enough game that starcraft 1 does 'die'. Starcraft 1 dying isnt a problem, its if starcraft 2 isnt enough to kill it and take its place we have a problem, because then we will have the same situations tons of competitive games have had before us (and even us to some extent), of the more recent game getting the tournaments even tho the hardcore and competitive gamers prefer the old.

eg's: quake 4 vs quake 3, cs 1.6 vs cs source, ssb:melee vs ssb:brawl and to some extent sc:bw vs wc3.


this is precisely what I'm worried about. my fear is that if sc2 isn't good enough to completely replace BW, it'll just end up killing both of them slowly and painfully. especially if the new/casual players and spectators like sc2 because it's shiny and the competitive/hardcore players like BW because it controls better / has more depth and less gimmicky macro mechanics / whatever. (exactly like the situation with cs16 and source)

I can't say in advance how I'll end up splitting my time once sc2 is released (or if I end up getting access to the beta). but I do know that for the moment I'm continuing to practice on iccup and study pro games as if nothing had changed.
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
February 19 2010 17:21 GMT
#33
after i get sc2 i'll never play bw again. truth. i've been playing blizzard games since wc1, and the only time i ever went back a generation is from wc3 -> bw, cuz wc3 sucked so much
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
February 19 2010 18:20 GMT
#34
If Koreans don't switch to Sc2, it will die faster than bw.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
February 19 2010 19:39 GMT
#35
It'll be like Mw series....MW1 was > MW2 yet people areplaying MW2. In mass with a few people filtering back into MW1. The game just loses a lotta players. This goes with every game and of course even sf3 has leagues and shit but everything gets old doesn't necessarily mean it'll die.
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
February 19 2010 19:41 GMT
#36
On February 19 2010 15:20 resonance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 15:17 MaRiNe23 wrote:
The problem that you guys are not realizing is that right now, we have a close community(teamliquid), competitive tourneys(TSL), compeititive ladder(iccup), progaming scene(korea) and the perfect game that's balanced for all three races. Why the fuk do we need a new game to take ppl away from the awesomeness we already have? I say they jsut scrap this like they did with starcraft ghost. The only thing sc2 did was bring sponsors to help our community and find comedic characters like Toad.

It's true that they brought back old gamers, but they are players who never played the game long enough to truely experience the greatness of starcraft to really know anything. I get so tired of hearing ppl go "i cant wait till sc2 comes out blah blah" and most of the ppl that say this are casual gamers for bw and suck at it to begin with.

Hardcore bw fans that have been there since the beginnning of the boxer reign with his amazing marine micro vs lurkers but had no macro or the "innovation" era where the game wasn't "as figured out" and allowed players more room for creativity, to the oov era of macro becuz maps allowed them to fast expand quickly(unlike lost temple which had a cliff at the nat so you couldnt take ur expo immediately in fear that the cliff might have two tanks :p)into the modern day "everything has to be perfect" era(micro/macro/strategy/game sense etc). Even the foreigner scene - the mondragon+testie era dominating the foreigner scene for the longest time until testie quit. Now it's Ret/NonY and IdrA. How can those people who only came back to sc bw to "prepare for sc2" really understand the history and attachment the true fans have for this game? They dont knwo a dam thing about sc bw and how awsome of a game it already is to voice any kind of opinon. To them it's just an old game that they dont care about becuz it's too hard for them so they just got on their xbox and played halo. lol gimme a break..

I'm not saying im a great player either but I played enough to appreciate this game and have a ton of respect for it and just disappointed that a new game will take away so many ppl. I should say might as we don't know how successful sc2 will be. Anyways I'm just gonna end it here before it gets too long.


Agreeed.

All you people so willing to ditch BW absolutely fucking disgust me. I'm sticking with BW ty very much I don't need another game to play this one is enough. Fucking Blizzard trying to split up our community.


Although I'd argue you're taking the other extreme...being disgusted by people for wanting to play a sequel and thinking blizzard is doing this to split up the community? Wtf? Do you hear yourself
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
February 19 2010 21:41 GMT
#37
People like new shiny things, this is how it will always work. Especially with the skill ceiling so high and daunting in bw no one wants to start it when there's this great new game. bw kinda has to die cause that's videogames go, but it'll still take a bit to balance sc2 and stuff seeing has it has to be balanced eventually.
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LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 22:07:09
February 19 2010 22:06 GMT
#38
On February 19 2010 16:55 ToeJam wrote: I am certain that once the game is in a competitive state and KeSPA stops being such a prissy princess, they will all likely switch over.
.


Why are you so certain? Is there some source from KeSPA saying that they will do this? This mentality that somehow just because it's *StarCraft* 2 it's going to be picked up by KeSPA is being just a little naive. I think the only way that is going to happen is if it is as perfect as it's predecessor is. SC2 still has a lot of tweaking to undergo and as it stands it's just another new RTS that has a lot of potential. I encourage you to read this article, particularly the opening paragraphs. Only when SC2 supersedes BW do I expect people to be certain KeSPA will "switch over".
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NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
February 19 2010 22:30 GMT
#39
After watching FrozenArbiter versus a guy called Jump today on FA's stream, I'm convinced this game is what it takes. The game looked like it sucked because you would have SC veterans bash noobs, but that game just showed how good / SC1 like it can be when 2 good old SC1 players face-off. It was just insane imo tbh.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
February 20 2010 04:21 GMT
#40
It's going to take awhile for SC2 to balance out to something that's playable competitively with real money at stake. SC1 will be alive for at least several more years before SC2 even gets close to overtaking it imo.
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