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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
If it turns out to be fantastic like BW was, I could see how brood war might die out. Otherwise, it will just fade away in a year or two, and honestly I don't see KeSPA or any of the top Korean pros instantly leaving BW to go straight to SC2, and with a loyal fanbase both in Korea and seen in places like our very own TL, there will still be a strong community left for BroodWar.   | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11591 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
But ya, sc2 looks like any new rts, cool but not bw amazing. I am convinced once the hype of sc2 dies down more and more people will return to bw again. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
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druj
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
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gumbum8
United States721 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.starcraft-2.cz/images/rasy/protoss/jednotky/phoenix.jpg) | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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MaRiNe23
United States747 Posts
It's true that they brought back old gamers, but they are players who never played the game long enough to truely experience the greatness of starcraft to really know anything. I get so tired of hearing ppl go "i cant wait till sc2 comes out blah blah" and most of the ppl that say this are casual gamers for bw and suck at it to begin with. Hardcore bw fans that have been there since the beginnning of the boxer reign with his amazing marine micro vs lurkers but had no macro or the "innovation" era where the game wasn't "as figured out" and allowed players more room for creativity, to the oov era of macro becuz maps allowed them to fast expand quickly(unlike lost temple which had a cliff at the nat so you couldnt take ur expo immediately in fear that the cliff might have two tanks :p)into the modern day "everything has to be perfect" era(micro/macro/strategy/game sense etc). Even the foreigner scene - the mondragon+testie era dominating the foreigner scene for the longest time until testie quit. Now it's Ret/NonY and IdrA. How can those people who only came back to sc bw to "prepare for sc2" really understand the history and attachment the true fans have for this game? They dont knwo a dam thing about sc bw and how awsome of a game it already is to voice any kind of opinon. To them it's just an old game that they dont care about becuz it's too hard for them so they just got on their xbox and played halo. lol gimme a break.. I'm not saying im a great player either but I played enough to appreciate this game and have a ton of respect for it and just disappointed that a new game will take away so many ppl. I should say might as we don't know how successful sc2 will be. Anyways I'm just gonna end it here before it gets too long. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On February 19 2010 14:20 Megalisk wrote: Everyone is just gonna play the SC1 custom UMS maps on SC2..problem solved..BROOD WAR SHALL LIVE ON FOREVER! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On February 19 2010 15:17 MaRiNe23 wrote: The problem that you guys are not realizing is that right now, we have a close community(teamliquid), competitive tourneys(TSL), compeititive ladder(iccup), progaming scene(korea) and the perfect game that's balanced for all three races. Why the fuk do we need a new game to take ppl away from the awesomeness we already have? I say they jsut scrap this like they did with starcraft ghost. The only thing sc2 did was bring sponsors to help our community and find comedic characters like Toad. It's true that they brought back old gamers, but they are players who never played the game long enough to truely experience the greatness of starcraft to really know anything. I get so tired of hearing ppl go "i cant wait till sc2 comes out blah blah" and most of the ppl that say this are casual gamers for bw and suck at it to begin with. Hardcore bw fans that have been there since the beginnning of the boxer reign with his amazing marine micro vs lurkers but had no macro or the "innovation" era where the game wasn't "as figured out" and allowed players more room for creativity, to the oov era of macro becuz maps allowed them to fast expand quickly(unlike lost temple which had a cliff at the nat so you couldnt take ur expo immediately in fear that the cliff might have two tanks :p)into the modern day "everything has to be perfect" era(micro/macro/strategy/game sense etc). Even the foreigner scene - the mondragon+testie era dominating the foreigner scene for the longest time until testie quit. Now it's Ret/NonY and IdrA. How can those people who only came back to sc bw to "prepare for sc2" really understand the history and attachment the true fans have for this game? They dont knwo a dam thing about sc bw and how awsome of a game it already is to voice any kind of opinon. To them it's just an old game that they dont care about becuz it's too hard for them so they just got on their xbox and played halo. lol gimme a break.. I'm not saying im a great player either but I played enough to appreciate this game and have a ton of respect for it and just disappointed that a new game will take away so many ppl. I should say might as we don't know how successful sc2 will be. Anyways I'm just gonna end it here before it gets too long. Agreeed. All you people so willing to ditch BW absolutely fucking disgust me. I'm sticking with BW ty very much I don't need another game to play this one is enough. Fucking Blizzard trying to split up our community. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9106 Posts
Likewise any type of money in terms of tourneys and sponsored teams will be for sc2 and not sc1. | ||
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
people are always going to complaint about how it's not as good as the original... Still looks pretty cool and if anything I'm excited for the cinematix clips/awesome storyline Blizzard has got us used to. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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MaRiNe23
United States747 Posts
On February 19 2010 15:29 Warrior Madness wrote: Someone needs to mark this day on the calendar. It surely is the death knell of starcraft BW. Tis a sad day. stop saying that..u dont knwo this for sure..there is still progaming in korea and still going very strong. | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
eg's: quake 4 vs quake 3, cs 1.6 vs cs source, ssb:melee vs ssb:brawl and to some extent sc:bw vs wc3. | ||
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Radiomouse
Netherlands209 Posts
On February 19 2010 15:59 Ftrunkz wrote: IMO you should all be hoping starcraft 2 is a good enough game that starcraft 1 does 'die'. Starcraft 1 dying isnt a problem, its if starcraft 2 isnt enough to kill it and take its place we have a problem, because then we will have the same situations tons of competitive games have had before us (and even us to some extent), of the more recent game getting the tournaments even tho the hardcore and competitive gamers prefer the old. eg's: quake 4 vs quake 3, cs 1.6 vs cs source, ssb:melee vs ssb:brawl and to some extent sc:bw vs wc3. Smartest post in this blog. No matter what everyone might think about starcraft2 and/or sc:bw, the fact of the matter is that when starcraft2 comes out officially, all the foreign money is going to be going to starcraft 2. The only question is wether or not korea will actually join in and abandon starcraft completely. But all the foreigners you love to see play now will have a proper shot at making a living off of starcraft 2 because of the money that is going to come in from sponsors(starcraft 2 is shiny, requires better computers and is hyped up, 3 good reasons why sponsors will favor starcraft2 competitions over any other to sponsor). | ||
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ToeJam
United States282 Posts
Unfortunately, the money has to be there, though. Once the money moves over to SC2, SC1 will slowly die out as sponsors put up less money and teams split up their current lineup into SC2. Competitive SC1 will die out at most 2 years after SC2 comes out would be my guess. But hey, CS never died when CS: Source came out. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On February 19 2010 15:59 Ftrunkz wrote: IMO you should all be hoping starcraft 2 is a good enough game that starcraft 1 does 'die'. Starcraft 1 dying isnt a problem, its if starcraft 2 isnt enough to kill it and take its place we have a problem, because then we will have the same situations tons of competitive games have had before us (and even us to some extent), of the more recent game getting the tournaments even tho the hardcore and competitive gamers prefer the old. eg's: quake 4 vs quake 3, cs 1.6 vs cs source, ssb:melee vs ssb:brawl and to some extent sc:bw vs wc3. Ehh actually kind of true. I mean if SC2 had all the shit that we loved about BW everybody including myself wouldn't hestitate at all to switch immediately.. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Now, this might put starcraft into a more niche slot, because any newcomers won't likely play BW because it's outdated. I guess it feels to me that BW would die out in two ways. Either a) SC2 is an awesome game and complete success, in which case it replaces BW and could quite possibly gather steam for ESports outside of Korea, b) SC2 is just another RTS, in which case BW might slowly die off over 3,4,5+ years as there would become less of an influx of players. IMO you should all be hoping starcraft 2 is a good enough game that starcraft 1 does 'die'. Starcraft 1 dying isnt a problem, its if starcraft 2 isnt enough to kill it and take its place we have a problem, because then we will have the same situations tons of competitive games have had before us (and even us to some extent), of the more recent game getting the tournaments even tho the hardcore and competitive gamers prefer the old. I agree with this. | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
SCII ~ A fleeting experience. + Show Spoiler + that's just my personal emotion about this whole thing. when i look at progaming in korea, when i look at tsl, i don't see a problem with myself watching broodwar in 10-15 years - with the same graphics. so the comparison to chess was not random. chess also got boring graphics, but still the game is played because the gameplay is just so unique and "deep". scii only is a worthy compensation if the level of play doesn't drop, meaning the heights to which supertalented and super ambitious individuals (e.g. flash, jaedong) can take this game. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
I think almost everyone wants to keep playing BW. The real issue is that some will people quit, their friends will probably quit as well and little by little servers gonna be empty. And when there won't be enough players to earn a decent ad revenue, iccup server will probably close down. This is sad to say because I wanna play BW forever, but lets just face the truth, will you still play if you need 30 minutes to find a game and all the friends you used to play with for 8 years are playing SC2 now ? | ||
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tarpman
Canada719 Posts
On February 19 2010 15:59 Ftrunkz wrote: IMO you should all be hoping starcraft 2 is a good enough game that starcraft 1 does 'die'. Starcraft 1 dying isnt a problem, its if starcraft 2 isnt enough to kill it and take its place we have a problem, because then we will have the same situations tons of competitive games have had before us (and even us to some extent), of the more recent game getting the tournaments even tho the hardcore and competitive gamers prefer the old. eg's: quake 4 vs quake 3, cs 1.6 vs cs source, ssb:melee vs ssb:brawl and to some extent sc:bw vs wc3. this is precisely what I'm worried about. my fear is that if sc2 isn't good enough to completely replace BW, it'll just end up killing both of them slowly and painfully. especially if the new/casual players and spectators like sc2 because it's shiny and the competitive/hardcore players like BW because it controls better / has more depth and less gimmicky macro mechanics / whatever. (exactly like the situation with cs16 and source) I can't say in advance how I'll end up splitting my time once sc2 is released (or if I end up getting access to the beta). but I do know that for the moment I'm continuing to practice on iccup and study pro games as if nothing had changed. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On February 19 2010 15:20 resonance wrote: Agreeed. All you people so willing to ditch BW absolutely fucking disgust me. I'm sticking with BW ty very much I don't need another game to play this one is enough. Fucking Blizzard trying to split up our community. Although I'd argue you're taking the other extreme...being disgusted by people for wanting to play a sequel and thinking blizzard is doing this to split up the community? Wtf? Do you hear yourself | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On February 19 2010 16:55 ToeJam wrote: I am certain that once the game is in a competitive state and KeSPA stops being such a prissy princess, they will all likely switch over. . Why are you so certain? Is there some source from KeSPA saying that they will do this? This mentality that somehow just because it's *StarCraft* 2 it's going to be picked up by KeSPA is being just a little naive. I think the only way that is going to happen is if it is as perfect as it's predecessor is. SC2 still has a lot of tweaking to undergo and as it stands it's just another new RTS that has a lot of potential. I encourage you to read this article, particularly the opening paragraphs. Only when SC2 supersedes BW do I expect people to be certain KeSPA will "switch over". | ||
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On February 20 2010 07:30 NonFactor wrote: After watching FrozenArbiter versus a guy called Jump today on FA's stream, I'm convinced this game is what it takes. The game looked like it sucked because you would have SC veterans bash noobs, but that game just showed how good / SC1 like it can be when 2 good old SC1 players face-off. It was just insane imo tbh. yeah exactly, I saw that game as well and it made me realize how great sc2 already and and how much potential it has. same for that pp vs zz 2v2 he and twisted played a little later | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
here's a perfect example, lineage used to be the most popular mmorpg in korea when it was released in 1997, and it's pretty self-explanatory as to how the game is graphic-wise. well, guess what, even after NCsoft released lineage 2, which supposedly has better graphics and is basically an upgrade compared to lineage, ppl didn't leave lineage. although it has been more than a decade since lineage was released, it's still the 2nd most popular mmorpg after aion in korea. it's a lot more popular than its sequel lineage 2. don't lose ur hope on sc community just yet, it may just turn out to be like the lineage series. who knows? | ||
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WheelOfTime
Canada331 Posts
Slowly but surely. | ||
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