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On February 16 2010 00:39 sob3k wrote:
Dude, seriously, do your own research on the internet, don't listen to people whom you have no idea of their knowledge base.
In my experience Creatine is a perfectly safe SUPPLEMENT, not a steroid, the same as Protein or vitamin C. It will help you a little, but it's obviously not going to make you look like a bodybuilder. if you want to gain muscle safely, I would do it, just for any advantage I could get, as I haven't read anything suggesting any negative effects. My old swim coach had just about everyone on the team on it, i don't know if it did anything, but my balls certainly didn't shrink and I was a pretty damn good swimmer.
Look it up for yourself though, getting random crowd opinion in a Starcaft forum has got to be one of the worse ways of learning about workout techniques.
youre in that random crowd as well brah. So whyd you type all this?
my experience with creatine was similar to this
http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/creatineR33.html
i can link you 1000 more cases, this is from the top of google search. I can give you my story but its same thing that happened to this guy
if youre completely healthy and your nerves are fine most likely you will gain from it. But youre taking chances
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On February 15 2010 20:22 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 19:01 Tippereth wrote:
Don't take creatine: if Jaedong doesn't need it, why do you? becouse jaedong is someone who plays computer games 24/7
This is extremely unhealthy(needless to say), even though they look fit to us I can't skip the feeling that they decrease life span by tens of years. But not for the reason many people think. Playing all day long keeps your blood in your arms and brains from your body's survival/attack/agression mode instead of the stomach lungs and other vital organs that ensure ur wellbeing. While preventing you from getting sick by building defences against disease. Being in such a stressful situation alot of times makes you very weak in the long run.
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it can help your gains and has no negative side effects so basically theres no reason not to take it
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On February 16 2010 02:07 daz wrote:
it can help your gains and has no negative side effects so basically theres no reason not to take it
read above
or google something
your life must be so easy lawl
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You can build up muscle without having to take any fancy supplements and waste money doing so. Only when you hit a wall should you even consider taking all this money sucking supplements ... and only if you're that serious about getting mass.
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The thing with creatine and other supplements is that some of them have been "injected" with other spooky stuff to keep the customers buying it.
There was a lot of incidents like that in scandinavia a few years ago, but if you get some mainstream brand that a lot of people use, I seriously doubt it will harm you.
As far as I know, creatine is found in food like beef and other types of meat, just like protein powder, this is basically just dried food.
I've used creatine several times in the past and I've never had any bad side effects at all, except for having to piss all the god damn time..and creatine is the one thing I've felt actually worked.
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creatine is not the same as steroids... I'm pretty sure creatine is relatively safe as long as you use it properly and continue to work out..
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Canada9720 Posts
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Lifting advice on a gaming forum. Yea, good idea.
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Here's my objective view:
I've tried it. The benefits is that you have noticably more endurance for lifting. And if I did say a leg day and then ran the next day, my muscles weren't as exhausted and I could run harder than I could otherwise. I've had side effects of higher blood pressure and nosebleeds and shin splints (particularly when you first start). If your body reacts badly to it, I think you'll find out in that early adjustment phase. There are other known side effects, and of course there's always the risk of unknown long term side effects.
I stopped taking it, mostly because I ran out and didn't bother to get more. I do longer workouts now, so I'm probably compensating for the performance loss. If I were long sports season which was wearing out my body, I'd definitely consider re-starting.
To assess the risk, creatine is a natural substance, so there's a lower risk of potentially dangerous side effects, short and long term. Low risk is still risk, though, whether it be drugs, diet, or other supplements.
And my familiarity with creatine is I first heard of from Mark McGwire's exploits, which made me think it was a steroid. Later when I started taking whey protein, I found my product contained creatine glutamine or whatever it is, and I got worried, so I did background research on it to see if it was steroid-level dangerous, which it wasn't. Then I found that a lot of athletes, particularly football players, take it before or after their workout, and it's not considered a problem by regulating associations.
So in summary, it will help your endurance, you can outgain its benefits out of a better workout routine, and it has some mild risks and there's no long term risk research.
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On February 16 2010 01:43 sassy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 00:39 sob3k wrote:
Dude, seriously, do your own research on the internet, don't listen to people whom you have no idea of their knowledge base.
In my experience Creatine is a perfectly safe SUPPLEMENT, not a steroid, the same as Protein or vitamin C. It will help you a little, but it's obviously not going to make you look like a bodybuilder. if you want to gain muscle safely, I would do it, just for any advantage I could get, as I haven't read anything suggesting any negative effects. My old swim coach had just about everyone on the team on it, i don't know if it did anything, but my balls certainly didn't shrink and I was a pretty damn good swimmer.
Look it up for yourself though, getting random crowd opinion in a Starcaft forum has got to be one of the worse ways of learning about workout techniques. youre in that random crowd as well brah. So whyd you type all this? my experience with creatine was similar to this http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/creatineR33.htmli can link you 1000 more cases, this is from the top of google search. I can give you my story but its same thing that happened to this guy if youre completely healthy and your nerves are fine most likely you will gain from it. But youre taking chances
What were you taking? Creatine Mono? CEE?
A product that is a creatine product?
Creatine "products" like Green Magnitude, or Superpump250, etc, etc, are products that are based on creatine for their combination of ingredients, but are not limited to it.
Most/all of them contain caffeine, green tea, ginseng, B vitamins, and other herbal stimulants.
If you're getting heart palpitations, it's not from creatine, which is a naturally occurring protein in your body that has to do with blood volume and muscle triggers, but instead the massive number of stimulants you were taking in addition.
Many people have weaker hearts or in general should not be on stimulants. People who are underweight and are trying to gain weight (people on creatine, anyone?) generally have low calorie diets and do not get proper nutrition. Hmm... not proper nutrition + stimulants + probably dehydrated = what?
Correlation != Cause, and your correlation is spurious at best.
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I don't trust any of these products. It's better, IMO, to take the natural route and consult a dietitian. They'll know how you can get the protein and calories you need in a healthy, natural form that your body knows how to process.
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So milo, are multivitamins bad?
They all naturally occur in nature, but if I want to optimize my access to them I shouldn't take them because it's not the healthy, natural form?
What about vitamin C drinks? Are those bad?
What makes creatine supplementation any different, and please do provide evidence to back up your claims.
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On February 16 2010 04:24 AwarE-- wrote:
So milo, are multivitamins bad?
They all naturally occur in nature, but if I want to optimize my access to them I shouldn't take them because it's not the healthy, natural form?
What about vitamin C drinks? Are those bad?
What makes creatine supplementation any different, and please do provide evidence to back up your claims.
I said IMO - in my opinion. I need no evidence.
I am not well educated on the subject. From what I've heard, however, is that your body has an easier time getting nutrients from natural foods. So, while multivitamins et. all are good (I never said they were bad, those are your words), it's better to eat fruits and vegetables.
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creatine is a pretty broad term for workout supplements. What exactly are you looking to buy and eat?
Edit: i've heard the same as milo's claim. I've heard multi vitamins often get stored up in one's fat instead of being use for something useful.
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On February 16 2010 04:31 milo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 04:24 AwarE-- wrote:
So milo, are multivitamins bad?
They all naturally occur in nature, but if I want to optimize my access to them I shouldn't take them because it's not the healthy, natural form?
What about vitamin C drinks? Are those bad?
What makes creatine supplementation any different, and please do provide evidence to back up your claims. I said IMO - in my opinion. I need no evidence. I am not well educated on the subject. From what I've heard, however, is that your body has an easier time getting nutrients from natural foods. So, while multivitamins et. all are good (I never said they were bad, those are your words), it's better to eat fruits and vegetables.
Ok so then in my opinion you shouldn't be talking.
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1) Did you use creatine every workout? Every workout that I had any left 
2) When you stopped using it, did you perform much worse? A significant amount
3) For random kids just trying to look good (me), is it really necessary?
I was doing purely strength training, not trying to get ripped or anything. If you're just trying to look fit then you can easily get by without it, but if you really want to go big then it can help a lot.
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Asians don't even look good when ripped (I'm Asian too). Cardio exercises mixed with moderate weight-lifting is much better than bulking up.
imo...
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On February 16 2010 04:20 AwarE-- wrote:
If you're getting heart palpitations, it's not from creatine, which is a naturally occurring protein in your body that has to do with blood volume and muscle triggers, but instead the massive number of stimulants you were taking in addition.
Correlation != Cause, and your correlation is spurious at best.
Have you checked your statement?
Going to look it up...
A few reports suggest that the supplement creatine could, at times, cause heart arrhythmias.18
http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent.aspx?token=e0498803-7f62-4563-8d47-5fe33da65dd4&chunkiid=35534#ref18
18. Kammer RT. Lone atrial fibrillation associated with creatine monohydrate supplementation. Pharmacotherapy. 2005;25:762-764.
Ok, it's nice to have opinions and be able to make arguments, but don't present them as facts. If someone's had heart palpitations, that can be very dangerous. Unless you can disprove that it's caused anything, be it by a consensus of studies or by your own research experiments, don't people it's not dangerous. Because there's a chance that it could be dangerous and that people listen to you.
Just because it's an internet forum doesn't mean you should be irresponsible.
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A few reports suggest that the supplement creatine could, at times, cause heart arrhythmias.18
Posted on a site dedicated to herbal natural products.
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seriously?
link to the actual study or quiet.
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