EPTLovin: Unless school changed dramatically since I went there, no. You don't learn this stuff in elementary school, nor in high school. You need to go up to university level to learn this kind of stuff.
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
Lovin: Unless school changed dramatically since I went there, no. You don't learn this stuff in elementary school, nor in high school. You need to go up to university level to learn this kind of stuff. | ||
micronesia
United States24701 Posts
On February 12 2010 04:49 Freezard wrote: Many people 30+ doesn't know what an electron is. Not everyone bothers much about chemistry when in school and quickly forgets about it because they find it very boring. Anyhow, I'm not going to discuss it with you since you keep saying third world countries knows nothing about this stuff and it's all racial and USA baby. I guess you don't know how many from TL are actually South Americans and I bet 90% of them knows what an electron is. I also got many Indian friends and they are all smarter than most people I know. Lovin: Unless school changed dramatically since I went there, no. You don't learn this stuff in elementary school, nor in high school. You need to go up to university level to learn this kind of stuff. In most non-third world countries this information is guaranteed to be in the curriculum in required classes. Most places with poor education systems where you don't get basic information like this are third world countries. Does that mean all third world countries fail to convey this information? No. Don't make a logical fallacy and accuse me of saying something that I didn't say. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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Hammy
France828 Posts
On February 12 2010 04:44 micronesia wrote: I'm still waiting for someone to substantiate this criticism as I'm curious... I really hope this is a joke, but please look into middle school and high school rankings in the world and you might get your own answer. Don't confuse the quality of education with how widespread it is within a country. Sure, not all countries have the same ratio of their population that's finished high-school, but that doesn't necessarily correlate with the quality of education that's provided. Anyways, I suggest you just look this stuff up yourself (and I'm far from being an expert anyways), because it's pretty lame to see such an uneducated comment regarding the lack of education elsewhere. | ||
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micronesia
United States24701 Posts
On February 12 2010 04:56 Hammy wrote: I really hope this is a joke, but please look into middle school and high school rankings in the world and you might get your own answer. Don't confuse the quality of education with how widespread it is within a country. Sure, not all countries have the same ratio of their population that's finished high-school, but that doesn't necessarily correlate with the quality of education that's provided. Anyways, I suggest you just look this stuff up yourself (and I'm far from being an expert anyways), because it's pretty lame to see such an uneducated comment regarding the lack of education elsewhere. I still don't understand what it is I said that people claim I'm wrong about... I think people are assuming I said something that I didn't. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
On February 12 2010 04:51 micronesia wrote: In most non-third world countries this information is guaranteed to be in the curriculum in required classes. Most places with poor education systems where you don't get basic information like this are third world countries. Does that mean all third world countries fail to convey this information? No. Don't make a logical fallacy and accuse me of saying something that I didn't say. What you said: Who doesn't know what it is besides people who are in middle school or who are in third world countries? Obviously not nobody, but very few of those people are in the tl demographic. That's true, very few of them are here. Still, people from third-world countries who hang around here got the exact same probability of knowing what an electron is as any other country. You're saying they have computers, browse the Internet and plays Starcraft but doesn't know what an electron is. Seriously just remove the third-world country bit. | ||
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Hammy
France828 Posts
Perhaps it's just a poor choice of words. | ||
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micronesia
United States24701 Posts
On February 12 2010 05:01 Freezard wrote: What you said: Who doesn't know what it is besides people who are in middle school or who are in third world countries? Obviously not nobody, but very few of those people are in the tl demographic. That's true, very few of them are here. Still, people from third-world countries who hang around here got the exact same probability of knowing what an electron is as any other country. You're saying they have computers, browse the Internet and plays Starcraft but doesn't know what an electron is. Seriously just remove the third-world country bit. You are repeatedly missing the point that I'm not implying that people from third world countries get poor education. I am saying that people who get poor educations are from third world countries. Of course as I admitted that's not entirely true either, but there is a lot of truth to it. On February 12 2010 05:03 Hammy wrote: It definitely sounds like you're putting "being in middle school" and "comming from a third world country" on the same level in terms of education, which is incredibly arrogant and fits into a rather common stereotype (No! I didn't say it! :p). Perhaps it's just a poor choice of words. That may be what it sounded like to you but it isn't what I said. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Why are you people so riled up about a single side joke when the blog is a pretty fine one at that? | ||
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micronesia
United States24701 Posts
On February 12 2010 05:11 samachking wrote: Why are people so afraid of stereotypes when they are statistically true? If the reality is arrogant it does not override the reality. If you do not know what an electron is and you are browsing this site (meaning you have the Internet) your education IS fucked up, thats all there is to it. Please inform me of any school system that does not teach you basic science and really basic basic chemistry by high school if that high school exists. If you are from a 3rd world country you are not as likely to have as good as an education as someone from a rich country, yes, the reality is sad, however, that does not negate the reality. Why are you people so riled up about a single side joke when the blog is a pretty fine one at that? Maybe they are sore that I made the sidebar look like sc2 beta info :p BTW I could understand if someone from another country didn't know "electron" in english but nobody made that claim... | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
I would say out of the people browsing TL, just as many from USA doesn't know what an electron is as from Peru. EDIT: Obviously percentage wise. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
so let say for example, we start off with 0 enery and all mass, the total amount of energy can be converted from the mass can't exceed the mass total. But as the mass changes bit by bit the mass is converted into energy, hence comes the term the mass changes and total energy is conserved. I was originally thinking energy in terms of the portion of energy that converted from mass, not in terms of the total energy of the system. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On February 12 2010 05:28 rei wrote: "If some of the mass is converted into energy or vice versa, then the total mass changes whereas the total energy stays the same." so let say for example, we start off with 0 enery and all mass, the total amount of energy can be converted from the mass can't exceed the mass total. But as the mass changes bit by bit the mass is converted into energy, hence comes the term the mass changes and total energy is conserved. I was originally thinking energy in terms of the portion of energy that converted from mass, not in terms of the total energy of the system. you cant have 0 energy. Mass is a form of energy :/ | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On February 12 2010 05:34 samachking wrote: you cant have 0 energy. Mass is a form of energy :/ so let's say for example, we start off with 0 pure energy, and all energy in form of mass, the total amount of energy can be converted from the energy in from of mass can't exceed the mass total. But as the energy in form of mass changes bit by bit the mass is converted into pure energy, hence comes the term mass changes and total energy is conserved. Better? | ||
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micronesia
United States24701 Posts
On February 12 2010 05:20 Freezard wrote: Getting good education or not has nothing to do with it. Just because everyone are guaranteed to get a good education in non-third-world countries doesn't mean everyone will have the knowledge they're supposed to have when they've finished it. Just look here in Sweden where 20% fails their high-school graduate. I would be very dumb to expect most people to pass physics/chemistry/math in school just because they get a good education. You're disregarding the human factor and basically just assuming people's knowledge. I would say out of the people browsing TL, just as many from USA doesn't know what an electron is as from Peru. EDIT: Obviously percentage wise. You are certainly correct that students don't learn/remember everything they are supposed to have. However, I'm not talking about the most difficult thing from 12th grade... I'm talking about something that students first see in middle school, then cover across several years in high school. It's a very basic thing. Sure, there are still people who forgot it... but the 'third world' countries have those people too so I don't see why we are discussing this. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On February 12 2010 05:37 rei wrote: so let's say for example, we start off with 0 pure energy, and all energy in form of mass, the total amount of energy can be converted from the energy in from of mass can't exceed the mass total. But as the energy in form of mass changes bit by bit the mass is converted into pure energy, hence comes the term mass changes and total energy is conserved. Better? Yup, that is true I guess, mass is liberated into energy and that energy is conserved. It is true if you put it that way. The original statement summed it up well: some of the mass liberated, mass down, energy stays the same. | ||
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zer0das
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
On February 12 2010 05:39 micronesia wrote: but the 'third world' countries have those people too so I don't see why we are discussing this. Because you were specifically mentioning third-world countries in your post? Third-world countries have those people, as does the rest of the world. There's no black and white in this case. Electrons is a basic thing for you, because you are well into the topic. If you mention atom to someone, most people would probably know that they're the small 'stuff' building the world. But to explain what an atom really is, the electrons/protons/neutrons, it's not as an easy task and I'm sure many people in the first-world countries wouldn't be able to answer that question. The either in middle-school or in a third-world country thing is an insult to those. Anyway I liked your blog otherwise, I guess you won't get my point so I'm done here. | ||
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micronesia
United States24701 Posts
On February 12 2010 07:52 Freezard wrote: Because you were specifically mentioning third-world countries in your post? Third-world countries have those people, as does the rest of the world. There's no black and white in this case. Electrons is a basic thing for you, because you are well into the topic. If you mention atom to someone, most people would probably know that they're the small 'stuff' building the world. But to explain what an atom really is, the electrons/protons/neutrons, it's not as an easy task and I'm sure many people in the first-world countries wouldn't be able to answer that question. The either in middle-school or in a third-world country thing is an insult to those. Anyway I liked your blog otherwise, I guess you won't get my point so I'm done here. I think if we polled tl we'd find that the vast majority of people who didn't know what an electron is were either too young or from third world countries, or didn't speak good enough English. Thus, to the people reading my thread the comment 'you will know this unless you are too young or maybe in a third world country' would be more or less correct. Of course it can't be 100% and neither can any other generalization that we make all the time. Explaining protons/neutrons/electrons is an easy task: electrons go around the outside, neutrons/protons are in the middle in the nucleus. That's what kids cover before they ever get to chem/physics. Most will go more in depth with the fact that electrons are negative, are pulled towards the nucleus, etc. Nothing beyond a very basic knowledge of electrons is required to get something out of reading the OP so it's reasonable for me to assume that most people know it. I think the term 'third-world country' is so negatively charged that it raises eyebrows even before anything else is said... I feel that I'm being held to an extremely high standard here... one that isn't imposed elsewhere on TL. Would you be upset if I said "Then you get an electron... by the way if you don't know what an electron is U R RETARDED"? I feel like that would receive less scrutiny. | ||
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