A few days ago I got Razer's newest product release, the Abyssus. The simplest way to introduce this mouse is to say it is an upgrade from their last ambidextrous, 3-buttoned mouse, the Salmosa. The Salmosa was a good mouse but had some major things wrong with it, the Abyssus maintains all of it's strengths while correcting most of the errors that Razer made when releasing that product. Both the Salmosa and the Abyssus are great for claw/fingertip grips with the buttons extending towards the back allowing you to choke up as little or as much as you want. I'll now go over what problems the Salmosa had and how most have been improved in the Abyssus and the few problems it still has.
1. The first problem was that the sensor Razer used in the Salmosa had mouse prediction which could not be turned off. What mouse prediction does is "correct" your mouse movement to move in a perfectly horizontal line when you are actually moving it a few degrees up or down. Here's a picture to illustrate what I mean:
The reason this is bad should be obvious but suffice it to say you never want to be moving your mouse and have your cursor not move. (It is even worse for FPS games because if your enemies head is say 100 pixels right and 4 pixels down you literally can not aim there via a straight diagonal line) The Salmosa is not the only "gaming" mouse with mouse prediction but the designers at Razer have realized this is not something gamers want and I don't expect them to release another mouse with prediction on and no way to turn it off. (Note: Prediction is also known as "correction")
2. The second problem was button tension. The buttons on the Salmosa require too much pressure to be pushed down and when the pressure goes through the mouse and on to the mousepad it will affect your mouse movement. This may seem minor but I consider it very important that a mouse not have buttons that take too much pressure to be pushed down. Razer has really turned this one around, I love the buttons on the Abyssus. They are similar to the Logitech Mini Optical, very easy and satisfying to push and I consider this one of the main reasons the LMO is used by most Korean progamers.
3. The shape of the corners on the Abyssus are an improvement over that of the Salmosa. It's just a flat diagonal ramp but it does feel a lot better than the curve that the Salmosa has.
4. In addition to the abscense of prediction, the new sensor allows you have to have 450/1800/3500 DPI instead of the 800/1800 on the Salmosa.. you don't need 3500 but it doesn't hurt.
I think those are all the comparisons I wanted to make between the two mice. When you add these all up I think this is a HUGE improvement and I definitely suggest upgrading if you are currently using a Salmosa.
The one gripe I have about this mouse is the surface texture they used on both the top and and sides of the mouse.
The top of the mouse is a rubber LOOKING surface, but it's not, when you first get this mouse, despite the top looking grippy, the surface is actually more slippery than regular plastic, by a lot. However, since I've been using this mouse I think it's gotten a little less slippery and hopefully will continue to do so. This isn't a huge problem but I have no idea why they don't just use an actual gripping surface texture.
The sides of the mouse are the same as the Salmosa was, some of the most slippery, fingerprinty, moisture retentiony, slippery, slippery plastic you will ever encounter.
WHY?
I have no idea.
However this isn't a big deal, just go to a sports store and buy thin baseball bat grip and put it on the sides of the mouse where your fingers are when you are using it and problem solved.
On January 23 2010 13:45 404.Delirium wrote: I'm with YPang 100 percent on this one :D
I second this
No reason to squander money on such an expensive and basically useless mouse, which doesn't do anything for your skills. Just get the microsoft one.
I don't think that the argument is that better equipment makes you more skilled. I think the argument is that a player with more skill can do more with better equipment.
To use a golf analogy, a stiffer club is going to be harder to hit with for a beginner but a pro can hit further with it then a club with more flex.
If that analogy is wrong golf fans then whatever sports analogy works
I got this mouse a month ago and I love it. The size and shape is perfect.
The only thing I dislike about the mouse is that when I turn my computer off the light on the mouse remains on. I have to put a shirt over my mouse when I'm trying to sleep. lol
On January 23 2010 13:45 404.Delirium wrote: I'm with YPang 100 percent on this one :D
I second this
No reason to squander money on such an expensive and basically useless mouse, which doesn't do anything for your skills. Just get the microsoft one.
I don't think that the argument is that better equipment makes you more skilled. I think the argument is that a player with more skill can do more with better equipment.
To use a golf analogy, a stiffer club is going to be harder to hit with for a beginner but a pro can hit further with it then a club with more flex.
If that analogy is wrong golf fans then whatever sports analogy works
Explain why progamers don't use these types of mice then.
As a side note, I've always thought Razer stuff was overpriced and overrated but TL has a lot of Razer fanboys imo with Razer TSL (and Fakesteve LOL). I definitely did not expect the responses above although I agree with them 100%
Looks like it's exactly the same size except that the Abyssus has a maximum height 3 mm higher.
Hmm, I guess it's just the fit and the fact that you can keep your hand further back on the mouse without having your fingers too far back on the buttons to cause problems
On January 23 2010 14:10 chrisSquire wrote: how big is this mouse compared to salmosa?
It's a bit smaller, also the ramped corners rather than rounded makes fitting your hand around it a bit easier.
Smaller than the Salmosa? I love small mice :D and I'm using Salmosa right now. I think I have the Asian or Chinese version or w/e that's slightly smaller than the original?
How long have you had it for? My one complaint right now with Razer stuff is I've owned 2 mice and tried 3 and all of them had durability problems (Had problems after 6-12 months, whereas my MX300 lasted 10 years). Mind if I bump this again in a month or two? Will you still be using it then?
Any noticeable transition in feel while playing BW? I usually think of mice as more important in some FPS, but I'm still curious about your overall impression if you went straight from a Salmosa to Abyssus.
Well my best time which is lower than that is with the Abyssus (few days ago) I can do it with about any mouse, I more posted it as a testament to the fact that this article is coming from someone who has spent a lot of time perfecting everything about his UI.
On January 23 2010 14:10 chrisSquire wrote: how big is this mouse compared to salmosa?
It's a bit smaller, also the ramped corners rather than rounded makes fitting your hand around it a bit easier.
Smaller than the Salmosa? I love small mice :D and I'm using Salmosa right now. I think I have the Asian or Chinese version or w/e that's slightly smaller than the original?
How long have you had it for? My one complaint right now with Razer stuff is I've owned 2 mice and tried 3 and all of them had durability problems (Had problems after 6-12 months, whereas my MX300 lasted 10 years). Mind if I bump this again in a month or two? Will you still be using it then?
Apparently they are quite similar in size but the Abyssus does fit better I'm sure of that.
Actually before I got this I was using the asian Salmosa as well for over a year, I'm 99% sure I'll be using this for a long time.
It was an adaptation going from the small salmosa to this as far as size goes but the prediction and button tension on the Salmosa means I am no longer considering it and I am now used to the size of this mouse.
For those of you playing the post 1940s trolling game at the beginning of Inherit the Wind (the movie about the Scopes Monkey Trial) they are singing Give Me That Old Time Religion.
I used to think that the mouse didn't really matter as long as it wasn't really bad. Then I got a LMO and I felt noticeably improved. I haven't tried any expensive gaming mice, but now that I've come around in terms of gaming equipment I could see them being better.
Ain't no way a gaming keyboard is worth a damn though.
Gaming mice are amazing for FPS's, its crazy how much more accurate you are. However, its a waste for sc. What is the point of having a 3500 dpi mouse when SC only runs at 640x480?
On January 23 2010 15:33 sob3k wrote: Gaming mice are amazing for FPS's, its crazy how much more accurate you are. However, its a waste for sc. What is the point of having a 3500 dpi mouse when SC only runs at 640x480?
Well, like I said, I haven't used any expensive mice, but I imagine that the strengths are more in ergonomics. The textures, hand positioning, button feel, etc really translate into comfort an results in game.
well, i got this mouse. it is twice as big as the salmosa (not twice as small as i was told). control is nice. it is kinda like the salmosa-krait hybrid.
On January 23 2010 14:15 Dave[9] wrote: TBH I got this one for christmas, and i can only compare it to the legendary MX300, it has to be one of the best mice i've ever owned.
Logitech MX300 was my favorite mouse of ALL time. After the MX300 got worn out, I went to the Logitech G3 simply due to the fact that they had the same casing with better specs. When My G3 got worn out, mice with that casing were no longer in production and I was shit out of luck so I switched to the salmosa about a year ago.
Seeing this mouse compared to the MX300 makes me want to look into quite heavily.
According to the specs on razerzone, the Salmosa and Abyssus are the same size save the Abyssus being 3mm taller.
I had Salmosa before, and IMHO Abyssus it is better mouse. in comparison with salmosa:
- same (good) cord - same (nice) glides - also they are black (don't know about wear yet) - Better sensor - it feels better , has No Precision :D , no more "drift" (it was annoying in Osu! when playing without lifting hand from mousepad) - slightly better grip (for my small hand anyways) - better (softer) buttons (smaller force to push, no squeaking) - it has min sensitivity of 450 DPI - a little bit less than LMO's DPI (min800DPI for salmosa) quite nice for SC - max sens is 3500 wich looks better better than Kinzu's 3500 (i use desktop res of 1024x768 so i cant really check this beside simple "paint tests") (max1800DPI for salmosa) - it has blue razor logo backlight, nice if don't sleep with PC on (wich i do, i will see how to turn it off later) - like salmosa it works without drivers
Generally i recommend this mouse over Salmosa, even if costs, ~25%more.
I was wondering, how easy is it to use for someone with big hands?
I've been contemplating getting a new mouse since my deathadder basically weighs a shitton and my wrist hurts after playing, and was considering the Salmosa. Might go for an abyssus instead now though, if its comfortable for someone with big hands
On January 23 2010 15:33 sob3k wrote: Gaming mice are amazing for FPS's, its crazy how much more accurate you are. However, its a waste for sc. What is the point of having a 3500 dpi mouse when SC only runs at 640x480?
Yup, SC only thing that matters is ergonomics, koreans copy eachother and thus the mini optical became the big thing.
This will change with SC2 though and mouses like the mini optical will be left alone because of the shitty tracking it has.
Even the G1 which has a little bit more dpi than mini optical and far better "perfect control" isn't perfect at all at any resolution above 800x600.
On January 23 2010 13:32 YPang wrote: not to hijack your thread but this mouse is fucken amazing, cheap and effective
Greatest fucking mouse ever made anywhere. If only they could get a stable modern 1600dpi or so sensor in this exact body, I would never buy another mouse again.
BTW the krait gave me RSI in my wrist. Soooo awkward to handle =(
On January 23 2010 13:32 YPang wrote: not to hijack your thread but this mouse is fucken amazing, cheap and effective
Greatest fucking mouse ever made anywhere. If only they could get a stable modern 1600dpi or so sensor in this exact body, I would never buy another mouse again.
BTW the krait gave me RSI in my wrist. Soooo awkward to handle =(
I'm currently using the Kinzu which while its a little bit smaller than the WMO is in shape quite similar, it goes up to 3200 dpi but suffers from negative acceleration if you intend to play low sens.
As a SC player (and hi sens obv) I haven't noticed any problems though..
On January 23 2010 13:32 YPang wrote: not to hijack your thread but this mouse is fucken amazing, cheap and effective
Greatest fucking mouse ever made anywhere. If only they could get a stable modern 1600dpi or so sensor in this exact body, I would never buy another mouse again.
BTW the krait gave me RSI in my wrist. Soooo awkward to handle =(
I'm currently using the Kinzu which while its a little bit smaller than the WMO is in shape quite similar, it goes up to 3200 dpi but suffers from negative acceleration if you intend to play low sens.
As a SC player (and hi sens obv) I haven't noticed any problems though..
I've researched that mouse and really want to buy it, but I'm afraid of the acceleration issue. I play low-mid sens on most FPS games... fuuu lol
On January 23 2010 13:32 YPang wrote: not to hijack your thread but this mouse is fucken amazing, cheap and effective
Greatest fucking mouse ever made anywhere. If only they could get a stable modern 1600dpi or so sensor in this exact body, I would never buy another mouse again.
BTW the krait gave me RSI in my wrist. Soooo awkward to handle =(
On February 20 2010 00:51 Puosu wrote:I'm currently using the Kinzu which while its a little bit smaller than the WMO is in shape quite similar, ...
How on earth Kinzu is smaller than WMO ? i have both and WMO is 13mm shorter, 6mm thinner, and about the same height. Also i have small hands and while WMO is even smaller than a "perfect fit", Kinzu is too big to use comfortably.
On February 20 2010 01:39 hifriend wrote: Sounds great and all but I have one question. Did they fix the FUCKING squeaking?
Yes from my experiences Abyssus dosnt have a this button squeak. Altough in my salmosa it was super easy to fix...
On February 20 2010 16:24 Lock wrote: What do you think of the razor orochi?
Wireless mouses are generally not good for gaming (especially in wireless mode), for games like wow any decent quality mouse is good but for RTS its 1) feeling in hand 2) good sensor (not in dpi but accuracy adn response). I think Orochi its overpriced mouse (you can get good gaming mouse and decent wireless for similar price) also things like "Gold-plated USB connector" shows its a gimmick product for peapole with too big wallets.
also @OPtopic - Comparing Salmosa and Abyssus, abyssus wins for me, shape gives simmilar feeling, but general feeling is better (propably because of lack of prediction), i think glides are little more durable. If anone can spare little more $$ Abyssus is the right choice IMHO
On February 20 2010 00:51 Puosu wrote:I'm currently using the Kinzu which while its a little bit smaller than the WMO is in shape quite similar, ...
How on earth Kinzu is smaller than WMO ? i have both and WMO is 13mm shorter, 6mm thinner, and about the same height. Also i have small hands and while WMO is even smaller than a "perfect fit", Kinzu is too big to use comfortably.
I think you are using the Xai or another mouse. Kinzu is definitely smaller.
On February 20 2010 17:27 snotboogie wrote:I think you are using the Xai or another mouse. Kinzu is definitely smaller.
uhh shit i mistaken WMO for LMO, Kinzu is bigger than LMO. WMO is simmilar in shape and from google pictures seems bigger than Kiznu , sorry for confusion
Oh Nao you have them all? Nice, so wich one do you prefer? Is Abyssus > Logitech Mini?
I was thinking of buying an Abyssus but the reason that holds me back is that razer wants to release special SC2 Equipment (http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/) so I don't know if i should wait for that or just buy the abyssus right now. Anybody knows if the SC2 mouse will be anything like the Abyssus/Salmosa? Because if its a big mouse for palm grip I dont want it anyway. Currently i have the Logitech MX518 wich is not that good for RTS because its so big you have to move your whole arm (can't really use your fingers only).
Also what sensitivty you guys use measured in cm to move from left to right of the screen?
On January 23 2010 15:33 sob3k wrote: Gaming mice are amazing for FPS's, its crazy how much more accurate you are. However, its a waste for sc. What is the point of having a 3500 dpi mouse when SC only runs at 640x480?
Yeah lots of people don't realise that dpi is basicly directly related to screen res. The CS pros all used to use the intelli explorer 3/1 as well becuase they didn't need the extra dpi at 800x600. But if your looking to the future, ie sc2, then I'd advise buying one of these, or the new steelseries Xai Laser, that thing looks pretty pimp and apprently most of the players in EG use it including grubby, walle has been seen using it too (although it might just be steelseries sponsoring them and making them use it).
On January 23 2010 15:33 sob3k wrote: Gaming mice are amazing for FPS's, its crazy how much more accurate you are. However, its a waste for sc. What is the point of having a 3500 dpi mouse when SC only runs at 640x480?
Yeah lots of people don't realise that dpi is basicly directly related to screen res. The CS pros all used to use the intelli explorer 3/1 as well becuase they didn't need the extra dpi at 800x600. But if your looking to the future, ie sc2, then I'd advise buying one of these, or the new steelseries Xai Laser, that thing looks pretty pimp and apprently most of the players in EG use it including grubby, walle has been seen using it too (although it might just be steelseries sponsoring them and making them use it).
I'd just use steelserious equipment too if I was sponsored by them ^^
@OP so how was your SC2 experience with this mouse?
Wireless mouses are generally not good for gaming (especially in wireless mode), for games like wow any decent quality mouse is good but for RTS its 1) feeling in hand 2) good sensor (not in dpi but accuracy adn response). I think Orochi its overpriced mouse (you can get good gaming mouse and decent wireless for similar price) also things like "Gold-plated USB connector" shows its a gimmick product for peapole with too big wallets.
the orochi can switch between wireless and wired mode for gaming purposes. I've compared the orochi with the salmosa, and the abyssus and they all have 1ms response time, and 1000hz ultrapolling (if this refers to the accuracy you talked about). So i guess the difference with this mouse is that it's smaller like a notebook mouse and it is a fingertip grip mouse (which is the grip i use).
On January 23 2010 14:10 chrisSquire wrote: how big is this mouse compared to salmosa?
It's a bit smaller, also the ramped corners rather than rounded makes fitting your hand around it a bit easier.
Smaller than the Salmosa? I love small mice :D and I'm using Salmosa right now. I think I have the Asian or Chinese version or w/e that's slightly smaller than the original?
How long have you had it for? My one complaint right now with Razer stuff is I've owned 2 mice and tried 3 and all of them had durability problems (Had problems after 6-12 months, whereas my MX300 lasted 10 years). Mind if I bump this again in a month or two? Will you still be using it then?
Any noticeable transition in feel while playing BW? I usually think of mice as more important in some FPS, but I'm still curious about your overall impression if you went straight from a Salmosa to Abyssus.
I also must say i am impressed by Logitech's mouse durability. I've had my MX310 for about 8 years and it has gone through heavy use. I've treated it well, (never thrown it or anything) and still works good as new, something i definately appreciate 8 years in retrospect.
The MX310 wasn't the most comfortable mouse to start using, in retrospect 8 years ago, but now that i'm used to it obviously, it was definately a good choice.
On February 20 2010 20:44 Nevius wrote: Oh Nao you have them all? Nice, so wich one do you prefer? Is Abyssus > Logitech Mini?
Also what sensitivty you guys use measured in cm to move from left to right of the screen?
IMHO LMO is really good for SC but it lacks the DPI for desktop usage, (photoshop, Osu! etc.) this is why i choose Salmosa which i like very much. Tried Kinzu, and i think as a gaming mouse it fails horribly, bad cord (very stiff) forced acceleration on almost every mode (except 800dpi mode), bad slides and the fact that it has veary small liftof distance (wich is generally good) but dosnt give any space to install good slides. Also for my small hands and Claw grip on salmosa (fingertip on LMO) it's impossible for me to claw kinzu comfortably :/ (too big, even thou it looks smaller) <reference on grips here>
As for Salmosa vs Abyssus, for me Abyssus is and good improvement: most importantly not having prediction is very good, also small things like better hardware DPI range 800,1600 vs 450,1800,3500, somewheat better slides, no friction/squackin problems with buttons.
About the sens: desktop (4:3), Osu! ~18mm , SC currently ~18mm (~800dpi) (~30mm erlier) - somehow due playing hard/impossible songs in osu i'm more accurate in SC at higher sens.
On February 21 2010 04:13 Lock wrote: the orochi can switch between wireless and wired mode for gaming purposes. I've compared the orochi with the salmosa, and the abyssus and they all have 1ms response time, and 1000hz ultrapolling (if this refers to the accuracy you talked about). So i guess the difference with this mouse is that it's smaller like a notebook mouse and it is a fingertip grip mouse (which is the grip i use).
Main difference will be mass, usually you want mouses for gaming to have it as small as possible. For me even removing 20gram weight from stock LMO gives improvment in mouse control.
On February 21 2010 08:37 pioneer8 wrote: I've had my MX310 for about 8 years and it has gone through heavy use.
This mouse was (is!) so awesome :D, i still have mine and it works perfectly. One neat trick i've done is to swich LMO's cord with MX310 thinner cord (they are interchangeable) hehe.
On February 21 2010 19:12 Lock wrote: Although the orochi is very convincing for me atm, i still make sure to search around first. What do you guys think of the Logitech G9x laser mouse?
I have tried that mouse at my friends place and i find its really nice, good grip and size. The one thing I diden't like about it is the scroll wheel, its really hard to push it and it also gives not enough resistance when rolling it for my taste. Also its kinda expensive.
On February 21 2010 19:12 Lock wrote: Although the orochi is very convincing for me atm, i still make sure to search around first. What do you guys think of the Logitech G9x laser mouse?
I think it's a gimmick product designed for brag and brand liking, money heavy people.
1) ajustable weights? - in almost all cases for gaming less weight is better so it's useless. 2) Interchangeable grips - actually a good idea since it's shape of the mouse that matters most usually, but the grips are kinda simmilar and, and it's personal preferece so "meh" 3) Onboard memory - standard also, even LMO can have macros through autohotkey or w/e. 4) Custom-color LEDs - your friends will love it -_- 5) Two scroll modes - only feature that i like, it's possible to use it as a throttle/brakes in Flight Sims, useless for everything else -_- 6) Next-generation gaming laser - it's lol, i heard it's nothing special , also who the hell needs 5700 dpi, i think 2000dpi is sufficient even on big displays. (it's propably interpolated through mouse software so it's actually inaccuarate/jerky @ this DPI - ony a hunch thou) 7) Polytetrafluoroethylene feet - lol, it's ptfe (teflon) that almost every other mice use nothing special here -_- (actually due to large size of top slides i thing the design here is poor) 8) also this mouse *is* small , so if you have big hands it could give some problems...
Conclusion: with changable grips and weight it can be good for people who use mouse for gaming and some graphic job (where wheight is actually a beneficent) but really for this price you could have 2 mouses better for both things separately, also having 2 mouses hooked up and swiching them is easier than changing grip and weight every time...
i was using intelli 3.0 for years since it fitted my hand best and i was mainly playing Q3. While playing BW and WC3 i felt that my hand/mouse speed was way to slow to keep up but every other mouse i tried gave me RSI T_T. I tried salmosa once but it freaked me out due to squeeky buttons and sicnce i tried high sens and played from the wrist RSI came back. so i went to the store and returned salmosa.
I felt for SC2 i needed a quicker / smaller mouse and i went to the store again to get the steelseries xai, and at first i liked it but after playing for hours i felt that the buttons were really hard to press and it kinda felt like IE3.0 but only smaller and harded to grip. I returned it and got the Abyssus instead and this time all the flaws from salmosa were gone and it also fit my hands really nice. i lowered my sens a bit and now everything is perfect.
Im using it now for SC2 and i kinda think its the best mouse i ever owned
I have Razer Salmosa, and it works awesome for me. I don't think I wanna buy Razer Abyssus anymore because salmosa works perfect when I turn off the Windows XP's default mouse acceleration and remove the check mark off the "ehance pointer precision." In fact, I tried an experiment with the Paint for the option, and that option kind of acts like mouse prediction. Anyways, make sure to turn off default mouse acceleration and "enhance pointer precision" when you use your godly mouse! xD
Additional note: Oh by the way, I use 1600 DPI, and I really can't notice mouse prediction from salmosa. However, when I use 800 DPI, I do feel tiny mouse prediction. But it doesn't matter to me anyways.
On February 22 2010 07:51 ProHellZerg wrote: ... make sure to turn off default mouse acceleration and "enhance pointer precision" ... Oh by the way, I use 1600 DPI, and I really can't notice mouse prediction from salmosa. However, when I use 800 DPI, I do feel tiny mouse prediction.
I didn't actually feel the prediction on Salmosa until i tried Abyssus and the difference was small and not really noticable in SC altough my control in Osu! improved on this switch. Its propably a lot more important in FPS like CS.
When you turn off "enhance pointer precision" in windows there still remains some acceleration build in (at least in XP), and also some games can force acceleration on. So i would recommend installing registry fix like "refresh rate cheesemfix" or it's erlier version "CPL-mousefix" to fully turn off the acceleration. (not sure if they work in vista/W7 but i'm sure someone has made fixes for this OS). (there still can be problems if the mouse have it build in like Kinzu on most of it's modes).
ps: this whole acceleration/prediction issue depends heavily on game and play style, in SC for me it doesnt really matter, but for Osu! it's a matter of life and death
OK so I got this mouse today since I wasnt happy with my old one (Roccat Kone, also a gaming mouse) I gotta say I am really happy with how it feels, although for my taste the mouse is too small/my hand is too big, I can't properly lay my hand on the mouse without flexing my interphalageal articulations. But still it moves so smoothly, exactly where I want it to, really nice.
I have a question though, I dont really get the whole DPI thing and what exactly has it got to do with precision, with what DPI should I play starcraft and with what DPI should I play sc2? I guess I should play lower dpi with starcraft (450 or 1800?) since it only has 800x600 pixels if im not mistaken.
On January 23 2010 13:45 404.Delirium wrote: I'm with YPang 100 percent on this one :D
I second this
No reason to squander money on such an expensive and basically useless mouse, which doesn't do anything for your skills. Just get the microsoft one.
I don't think that the argument is that better equipment makes you more skilled. I think the argument is that a player with more skill can do more with better equipment.
To use a golf analogy, a stiffer club is going to be harder to hit with for a beginner but a pro can hit further with it then a club with more flex.
If that analogy is wrong golf fans then whatever sports analogy works
Explain why progamers don't use these types of mice then.
As a side note, I've always thought Razer stuff was overpriced and overrated but TL has a lot of Razer fanboys imo with Razer TSL (and Fakesteve LOL). I definitely did not expect the responses above although I agree with them 100%
uhhh because it's common practice to use the same mouse and most progamers just go with what they've used for years?
and because SC has tiny resolution? but maybe....just maybe....people play more games than SC?
oh and uhhhhhh.......physical comfort? mouse could be the most amazing in the world technologically and still feel like a piece of shit...I personally hate the LMO just based on its feel. and uhhhhhhhhhhh just because every progamer uses the same mouse means that any other mouse can't be good for other players?
and uhhhhhhhhhh not every SC progamer uses the LMO
btw, the reason i said uhhhh so much was because i wanted to communicate at the same level of intellectual discourse that you seem to favor
been using a Razer Diamondback 3G for a long while now, but the chord is fucked up and the mouse turns off because of it on occasion so I'm looking for a new mouse to buy... how does the Abyssus compare?
I'm very happy with how the 3G handles and feels, I would prefer something similar, but I wouldn't mind some higher DPI / 1000hz polling. honestly I wish they would just make a diamondback with that lol
salmosa is defently better mouse i like the buttons more i dont like the sharp edges from abyssus its little bit smaller i like only no squeeking on abyssus is better buy salmosa better and better sensor
I bought my Abyssus back in July and I have to say that is and awesome mouse, very light, accompanied with Goliathus Control is really good combo. Why? Here is how I see it.
Abyssus is light by default which means less effort to move the mouse itself, now adding Goliathus Control, friction is reduced even further due to textured ( or with little holes :D ) surface. ( less area for your hand and mouse to touch... )
Really great mouse. Great for fingertip grip users. Really easy to control the mouse with this setup, little to no effort.
P.S.
Is it just me or is 2.01v bugged, as in after each reboot, mouse scroll whell speed would reset to either 30 or 100. I just put on 2.00v and it works fine. ( googled it somewhere, that it wroks).
I am using a Razer Deathadder. Very pleased with it so far. I don't like my Razer Carachias headset though because everyone else in the room can hear everything that comes out of it even if it's just loud enough to hear with good quality yourself.
I bought into all the crap about the "angle snapping" an click pressure and got an abyssus a while back. It was garbage compared to my salmosa. the corners were annoying and let you hold the mouse in one way, and the required pressure to click is about double. After about a month and a half of trying it has been sitting in a box unused for almost a year now as I went back to my salmosa.
It was still okay for starcraft, but for OSU it was very annoying. As a starcraft/CS/,OSU player that stuff about angle snapping is bullshit. Just get whatever mouse feels best for a fingertip grip.