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I always wanted to start learning Go, any tips on where/how to start playing?
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United States24670 Posts
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i tried learning Go once, i was completely confused 
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Go is kind of a slow game.
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Wow shit. This is such a frustrating game to see played out from both sides. Especially since I'm watching white a lot more than black, just cause white has sente.
I thought you played early game pretty well, until ~85 or so, with the battles in lower left. I think you made some easy errors in there, probably cause you're rusty. Most obviously, Move 92: F2. It's just impossible, unless for very specific situations where you're one move away from capturing, for that to work. And overall, it generally is bad to attempt those kinds of blocks anyways, since it is very likely to lead to a laddering situation.
Move 112 was kind of dubious from my point of view. If he had gone H6 instead of G7 you would've been forced to patch and he would've had more room to develop in A-E.
I'll just stop here since I'm just nitpicking at this point. Hindsight is 20/20 of course. I hope you blog more about future games!
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I haven't posted in a while, but I'm a member of the Go Teaching Ladder (GTL). If you want, you can send the game to me and I'll give it a detailed review. I'm ~5k by the way.
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64 was your first real bad move imo, m6 cleanly captures white.
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I'm ~1d. Have been lurking on TL for maybe a year.
Account is mahatma, ~1 year ago I was 2d but I only recently started playing again.
Some comments.
15 should have been at 17. You can't let white just slip in and get a comfortable group.
18 is weird, you should be taking territory on the 3rd line rather than try to gain influence on the 4th line.
Moves up to 76 all favor black. Good play here.
88 is an example of what some call "the worst type of move". You hardly ever want to push in and let him connect, because it destroys all the potential moves you could have had here. In this case, it's not terribly game-breaking, but its just something to keep in mind.
What is the point of 92? If your trying to put pressure on the white group, you must extend outwards with 96, or 92 will be captured by white easily.
104 should be at F6. You can't harm the white group here anymore.
144: don't fear ko. You should cut aggressively here, perhaps at N17. You don't have much to lose here.
In the sequence around 180, you need to make sure you always watch groups that are "almost dead" so they don't spring up some type of trap, such as what you fell into. Of course time pressure is a huge factor.
You played quite well in the opening, and of course the problems you had were due to lack of concentration.
If you ever want to play a teaching game, message me, or PM me here on TL.
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I played like 15 games when I was like 13 with a friend I can't believe I remember how to play after playing 10 games right now.
I'm 3-7. 
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I love Go. I tried to learn it back when I was in college for a brief period of time, but I was pretty bad at it, though I'd like to get back into it and learn in my spare time.
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Germany2896 Posts
Just a reminder: We have a teamliquid room on kgs: Social->Teamliquid
I'm there in the european evening, and some more people are there once it gets a bit later in the US.
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konadora
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On January 18 2010 17:36 konadora wrote:
I'll pwn anyone in go
show me
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konadora
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http://www.gokgs.com/applet.jsp
Enter a nick and click on "guest". Then go to the roomlist and select teamliquid which is in social.
I can't play for the next 1.5h, but after that I'm free to play
You can also download the client(if you can call java webstart downloading). Then it has a few additional features and can be started offline.
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konadora
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Lol I can't find roomlist, I'll try again later after Proleague :<
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I know the general rules of go and play occasionally but I probably suck balls compared to most real players. Regardless, thanks for the tips as to where/how to play.
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On January 18 2010 17:40 MasterOfChaos wrote:show me
Kona, u play on KGS? I used to play there a lot...once reached 1D...you?
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Oh and since at we had at least two users who joined and quit quickly: KGS doesn't indicate that someone chatting, so we are often don't notice. And who is chogoling?
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United States24670 Posts
Thank you DarkOptik and pikaaarrr :3 for your tips. I went through them carefully today.
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I used to play go on KGS, I got to 9k I think, few years ago.
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On January 19 2010 08:40 l10f wrote:
I used to play go on KGS, I got to 9k I think, few years ago.
Come to channel teamliquid in social and play. See how quickly you can get to 9k. It's a lot of fun getting better with other tl people too. In one week I've gone from 16k to 7p.
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On January 19 2010 11:55 l10f wrote:I forgot everything, I'm probably horrible now
Oh don't worry it'll come right back. I was away for a year and it took me a few games to restore myself :D
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If anyone is still interested in Go, im commenting my game in the german national league right now im my stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/DarKFoRcE
didnt want to open up a new topic just for this, hope bumping is ok =)
im 2d, so not an expert, but maybe you can learn something!
also, it would be nice to find some people to play a game with now and then maybe
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On April 08 2011 03:48 DarKFoRcE wrote:If anyone is still interested in Go, im commenting my game in the german national league right now im my stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/DarKFoRcEdidnt want to open up a new topic just for this, hope bumping is ok =) im 2d, so not an expert, but maybe you can learn something! also, it would be nice to find some people to play a game with now and then maybe
Haven't played in a while, but I'm game to watch.
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It was a good game to watch, if a little one sided 
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On April 08 2011 03:48 DarKFoRcE wrote:If anyone is still interested in Go, im commenting my game in the german national league right now im my stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/DarKFoRcEdidnt want to open up a new topic just for this, hope bumping is ok =) im 2d, so not an expert, but maybe you can learn something! also, it would be nice to find some people to play a game with now and then maybe
I happened to be watching your stream when you started playing. I know you had a few haters on your chat but I really enjoyed it! I knew nothing about Go before I watched you play but I learned quite a bit just from your commentary. I think it's good to take a break from Laddering occasionally and Go seems like a slower paced strategic alternative. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing more Go.
Love the stream Darkforce!
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On April 08 2011 03:48 DarKFoRcE wrote:If anyone is still interested in Go, im commenting my game in the german national league right now im my stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/DarKFoRcEdidnt want to open up a new topic just for this, hope bumping is ok =) im 2d, so not an expert, but maybe you can learn something! also, it would be nice to find some people to play a game with now and then maybe
nice. dan-level go players impress me more than sc2 pro players tbh, maybe because I couldn't get past the ~12kyu level. xD
do you think there are similarities between the games? maybe some Go knowledge and wisdom could be applied to sc2. I even remember an interview with Flash where it was stated that he started studying Go (and improving very quickly).
found it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129095
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Germany2896 Posts
Saw this too late
I don't think there are any significant overlaps between go and SC. The only thing that can be similar are the mindset of a competitive player and their studying habits. If you set your mind on improving, finding and eliminating your mistakes,... you'll improve much faster than somebody who only plays for fun.
Improvement speed in the double digit kyus is largely meaningless. Almost anybody should be able to get into weak SDK ranks with the correct studying habits.
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i was once told that you could either be good at chess or good at go, and not both.
i chose chess. i can't quite figure this game out. ;\
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On April 08 2011 21:10 MasterOfChaos wrote:Saw this too late I don't think there are any significant overlaps between go and SC. The only thing that can be similar are the mindset of a competitive player and their studying habits. If you set your mind on improving, finding and eliminating your mistakes,... you'll improve much faster than somebody who only plays for fun. Improvement speed in the double digit kyus is largely meaningless. Almost anybody should be able to get into weak SDK ranks with the correct studying habits.
I think SC is a lot like GO. They're both games of territory, and TvT is practically real-time Go in terms of overall strategy. I played a few games of Go with a friend when we were both new to it. My friend had been playing Chess for years at a fairly adequate level. I don't play Chess at all. I play SC with some level of understanding, and I found that by apply concepts I'm familiar with from SC, I was able to beat my friend very easily. You would think pattern recognition, reading into the board... skills you build with Chess, would be very important, but in this completely unscientific anecdote, the evidence is that StarCraft has more related skills. SC basically applies to everything though.
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I once played this game with my mother when I was young. I nearly started crying. It is so frustrating to play lol.
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One of our ace players in BW, zchen, is a 6-8dan Go player (I'm not entirely sure which number, I think it differs depending on America or Europe--either way, he smashes faces in Go). I believe he's never really played SC before, but once he picked it up he's gotten to C+/B- in a few months. Even though he plays with like...100apm, he just knows what to do and when to do it, and he always knows what his opponent is up to. Game sense? o.o
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zchen is 7-8d on KGS. Which is top amateur level. Didn't know he's playing SC.
On April 09 2011 02:30 POiNTx wrote:
I once played this game with my mother when I was young. I nearly started crying. It is so frustrating to play lol.
It's only frustrating if your opponents are too far from your level. Thanks to the internet you can easily find opponents of your level, even when you're a beginner.
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Zchen only smurfs around on ICCUP. Won't play SC2 except sometimes when he's trolling xD
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Perhaps someone should rejuvenate a Go thread in sports and games. Maybe get some new players into Go and old players back into it. I'll be hiding in a corner till then.
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i also go to school with hazelynut and zchen and am approx 6dan. gotta say that starcraft is harder XD
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On April 09 2011 04:26 hazelynut wrote:
One of our ace players in BW, zchen, is a 6-8dan Go player (I'm not entirely sure which number, I think it differs depending on America or Europe--either way, he smashes faces in Go). I believe he's never really played SC before, but once he picked it up he's gotten to C+/B- in a few months. Even though he plays with like...100apm, he just knows what to do and when to do it, and he always knows what his opponent is up to. Game sense? o.o
That's really cool but I also think it's very expected. The thing most D-C players struggle with is that they can't think out of the box. They memorise a build order and they get good at micro/macro (not all high APM D-C players are spamming), but they just don't think of the game as a strategy game. They get too focused on microing like the progamers. At most regarding the overall strategy, they know a few basic concepts like 'Toss with one more expansion than Terran is even.' But in terms of choosing where to expand, where to put one's army... I think that is where your friend's Go mastery must have come in handy. It's not just about having an army, or killing your opponents army with yours... It's about putting your army into a favourable position, recognizing key locations on an ever evolving map. This is one thing that doesn't really translate from Chess. Chess is really like the memorise build orders, have good micro etc kind of thing. 8/8 is so small a surface to play on with all your pieces on top of each other, you don't really need the aforementioned skills. 19/19 on the other hand, with the slow build up of stones that gradually becomes massive and complicated, that's very much like a StarCraft map.
I'd be very interested in see some of your friend's BW replays, or Go kifus if you have some
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On April 10 2011 23:55 Chef wrote:I'd be very interested in see some of your friend's BW replays, or Go kifus if you have some
Finding go games of zchen isn't hard. Just check the KGS archives which contain all public games of every player:
http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=zchen
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I played go yesterday for the first time in a while at the cybcraft lan in nyc (unexpectedly but whatever). Pretty bad games I think lol.
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I tried to give Go a shot few times in the past, but time constraints turned out to be too much of down-turner for me unfortunately Fun game to play with friends off-line for me, but not so much otherwise. I still should have kgs ID if it doesn't get automatically deleted after lengthy amount of inactivity though.
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Played go a few years ago, will be playing with you guys.
Username - Sixmsj
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I just started playing today! My dad asked me suddenly if I wanted his old Go board, and I said of course! He told me he used to play on and off for a few years a while back. Played my first game against him today, and came back from like a 15 stone deficit! Very fun way to challenge myself. Anyways, I was wondering if anyone wanted to play with me or maybe even give me lessons! I'd really like to start getting into this (even though I doubt there is a very large community where I live). I'd even be willing to trade SC2 lessons/practice games for Go lessons/practice games :O (I'm only mid-masters though :X)
I'm in Texas visiting family for the week until Saturday, but I'll be sure to read the threads I found through search! :D
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=89538
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129753
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Hey, if anyone wants to play, I'm 8 kyu. ID is Bazoldi on KGS too.
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haha I use to play IGS a lot
never really tried KGS
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igs was too hard and too ugly for me :DD
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I've been playing this for past two days, its really fun. People on KGS are so helpful too. I've mostly played in beginners channel 9x9 games and did quite well (altho I strongly suspect some people were going really easy on me seeing if I could figure most basic stuff out). I played my first 19x19 game just a while ago and got destroyed, but it was alot of fun so its all good. I'll be playing more in the coming up days for sure as I'm almost done with my studies, so watch out :p.
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Go is really satisfying! I find it hard to play more than one game in a row because it's so mentally taxing, even online. I have trouble finding practice partners IRL, maybe I'll stop by the TL room on KGS sometime for a game.
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Been playing again the past few weeks... come join us in channel teamliquid in the social section of kgs.
I'm down to 13-14k so far :p
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lol my account got deleted.
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I've been playing a little bit for the past two months. Would like to play more but time issues. T_T
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I want to start practice again anyone in to join me?
Im 10k and since i havent played in a long time i would join any server...
I enjoy as well teaching the basics...
I probably did it 10 times now well not with much succes but still if you are interested im always happy to help :D
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I started playing a few games and got my ass completely handed to me by a bot. I've been too traumatized to attempt another game ;_;
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On October 21 2011 02:30 Snuggles wrote:
I started playing a few games and got my ass completely handed to me by a bot. I've been too traumatized to attempt another game ;_;
Even Garry Kasparov once lost to a bot you know :p
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I love Go but it's hard to find people to play with or good videos on it to learn.
I know the basics and The Many Faces of Go was fun but it's not the same as learning with someone else.
Also, most programs to play it are pretty bad and uncustomizable. I remember one that played this obnoxious sound every single time a move was made and you couldn't turn it off... only online Go game I found that had players and worked well.
It would be awesome to have a real board and people to play with but it seems no one on this side of the world gives a damn about it. Who would want to play a board game that's intricate and mentally stimulating? T_T
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HELP. KGS Go Server (http://gokgs.com/applet.jsp) just become white screen after loading recently instead of going to sign-in, and I can't download CGoban because most of my internet activity is based on access from school library. Does anyone have same problem as me or know how to fix this problem?
Edit
Got it. apparently I redirected myself to http://gokgs.com/applet.jsp instead of http://www.gokgs.com/applet.jsp
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I'm an absolute super noob at Go and I'm gonna try playing again. I'll be chilling in the TL channel on KGS and my ign is Fallacy.
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Once upon a time I was 2k... haven't played in years though. Would be fun to try out again....
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Maybe I should start playing again. I am probably not 11k anymore. :-/
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On December 17 2011 02:30 Hesmyrr wrote:HELP. KGS Go Server (http://gokgs.com/applet.jsp) just become white screen after loading recently instead of going to sign-in, and I can't download CGoban because most of my internet activity is based on access from school library. Does anyone have same problem as me or know how to fix this problem? EditGot it. apparently I redirected myself to http://gokgs.com/applet.jsp instead of http:// www.gokgs.com/applet.jsp
WMS forgot to update the dns for the www-less domain when he moved servers. Works again now.
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Anyone mind be a sensei for me? I'm having loads of trouble with Go. :'(
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haven't played in ages but want to start again. was 2k-2d on kgs, 3d in LAN (aka us tournys)
i'll make an account soon, but pm me if you want to improve/play games and stuff
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On April 08 2011 21:10 MasterOfChaos wrote:Saw this too late I don't think there are any significant overlaps between go and SC. The only thing that can be similar are the mindset of a competitive player and their studying habits. If you set your mind on improving, finding and eliminating your mistakes,... you'll improve much faster than somebody who only plays for fun. Improvement speed in the double digit kyus is largely meaningless. Almost anybody should be able to get into weak SDK ranks with the correct studying habits.
I personally think i learned quite a bit in Go that also helps me in SC2. Especially things like not getting into a hurry against a better opponent when you are a bit / alot ahead.
I would actually even say that Go is the game that has influenced me the most when it comes to my SC2 playstyle.
Sadly i dont have much time and/or simply forget to play Go these days
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On December 24 2011 19:30 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 21:10 MasterOfChaos wrote:Saw this too late I don't think there are any significant overlaps between go and SC. The only thing that can be similar are the mindset of a competitive player and their studying habits. If you set your mind on improving, finding and eliminating your mistakes,... you'll improve much faster than somebody who only plays for fun. Improvement speed in the double digit kyus is largely meaningless. Almost anybody should be able to get into weak SDK ranks with the correct studying habits. I personally think i learned quite a bit in Go that also helps me in SC2. Especially things like not getting into a hurry against a better opponent when you are a bit / alot ahead. I would actually even say that Go is the game that has influenced me the most when it comes to my SC2 playstyle. Sadly i dont have much time and/or simply forget to play Go these days
While go has given me insight on how much intuition influences us even with logic based activities such as programming, I can't say that it influenced my SC.
But I admit that I play almost the same way when I'm ahead in go as I do when I'm behind in go. Guess that's one of the reasons why I'm no dan yet.
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I think its really important to play calm and solid, especially when you have a sizeable lead. im not very good at counting in Go, but oftentimes you know that some opening/joseki/whatever is good for your side from remember those patterns from Pro games or books and its good to just continue calmly. against stronger opponents this is even more important, as you have reverse komi and they are usually better in fights.
I think it also helps you alot to accept that an even exchange is an acceptable result in most cases. and if your opponent does something funny, you know that you should be automatically ahead. a good example would be zerg players not building a spine crawler at 29 or 30ish against reactor hellion openings,and the whole followup after that. this is just pretty much an even exchange (altho personally i believe terran is slighty favored after this, but thats just me^^).
and if you are a bad player you should not try to circumvent that the game goes this way because it might feel bleh to lose mapcontrol and have to build static defense, there might be ways around it, like building some roaches a bit later on to spread creep/take third, but its also really important to just learn the standard flow that follows.
its the same with joseki in Go, especially european players often try to play funky and superaggressive things that dont actually work, just because they think they have to be special.
now that im thinking about it, this is also one of the reasons why i really dislike playstyles of people who play that way just to play different than most other people, and not because it has a solid foundation. i dont want to drop any names here though :D
edit: sorry for rant, i hope my post is not too unorganized to read :>
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Well...I've played go for 8 months or so and just picked up sc2 a couple weeks ago. I've continually progressed in go (up to around 6k now) and am attempting to learn sc2 in a similar manner. I don't memorize any sc2 BOs (i.e., josekis in go) and simply attempt to focus on the fundamentals (whatever that may be for sc2, keeping scv production up, ensuring that my economy can support constant unit production via production buildings, continually expanding, keeping an eye on supply...I guess basic macro). I try out random building paths to get a general feel for what kind of tech path and production buildings a certain economy can support. Right now the largest difference between Go and sc2 is the need for technical skill in sc2 (like macro, micro, and multitasking whereas in GO you just put down a stone T.T). Another big difference is you can't see what your opponent is doing at all times, so it's difficult (for a newb like me) to come up with an effective counter strategy even when I get a little glimpse of my opponent's base or unit composition.
Anyhow I'm in plat league right now, but I'm pretty sure my real rank is around silver given that I play against silver players all the time. I think the bonus pool and a wayward win against a gold every once in a blue moon is keeping me in the higher division. Naturally sc2 is more difficult than GO from a technical aspect, and that's really what I'm trying to improve at the moment. We'll see how it goes...
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