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The last time I offered to teach -- suggested low pricing but didn't specify -- some people were outraged... I can't say I agree with that sentiment, but I hope this can be a compromise for those people. In an ideal world, everything would be mutually beneficial -- but that's not always possible: I don't want to hinder people from getting help that need/want it. If some people feel that I have helped them and donating something like 5 dollars (min transfer) on full tilt wouldn't cramp their life style, then I'd be greatly appreciative of it.
I'm not the best player ever. I'm probably not even a good teacher... but I am someone that met their goals in SC and accomplished them quickly. So, hopefully I could help some of you inch closer to your goals.
I started SC sometime in 2005, and a few months later I saw WCG replays of Day vs Xellos and Froz. I had no idea what WCG was until then, but I figured it would be cool to play in WCG USA and qualify. In 2006 I got to play in my first online event, and I was able to qualify but didn't attend due to distance and not having a good enough chance to justify it. In 2007 I told myself I needed to qualify for a regional that is closer to where I live. I ended up doing that, and I went -- it was a good experience -- but I had to end up forfeiting when I realized it wouldn't make financial sense and I didn't want the 17 hour drive.
I had accomplished my goals and I was content, but saddened to realize it wasn't worth it financially. Especially when good SC players seem to be able to transition those skills into poker -- which can, obv, pay more. From that day on, the game became casual to me, and improving and keeping up with other players simply wasn't important to me.
Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial.
You can only be as good as you want to be/envision being. I would like to help others reach their SC goals if they are having trouble getting there.
I plan on creating an account on full tilt tomorrow and depositing some. Any potential donations would act like a slightly higher percent in rakeback; If you play micro stakes, rake really is your biggest enemy. If I could help any reach their SC goals, and if any could help me reach my poker goals more quickly, that would be fantastic.
I'm "b+" due to playing motws 1 season... account
If lower level players want feedback in tvp, pvt, tvz and pvp (new at it but can win it - logic might be off though), simply upload a rep or rep pack and pm me a link, and I will try to help. If any would like some one on one coaching, just pm me and I would try to set up a time to see you on iccup. Disclaimer, I can give feedback on standard play and etc, but if I'm teaching something, it would be styles of play that I like.
My goals in this post were not to be organized or overly articulate, I just hope to be of assistance to any that need help. TVZ and PVT replays this season (already uploaded) [url blocked] This time, I will have pvp games to come and I will force myself to play some tvp. I just played maps like python and luna after becoming a "casual" player. But if players want to see games on other maps, just ask and I'll learn them with you 
 
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I`ll wait till you reach the point when you start giving money to people to be trained by you.
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lol ^
Seriosly im prepared to help any for free/donations too 
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Teamliquid I've given you all and now I'm nothing.
When can I go to the strategy forum and post what I want with my good looks?
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Yay, this is what you should have done a month ago
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Just so people have an idea of what specialized bo's they would be taught, besides pointers on their standard play: In tvz I love fast vessels. In tvp my style would probably best be characterized as a variant to how Canata plays (fast expo, 1 fac, port for wraith). In pvt, Movie probably plays the most similar, style wise. In pvp, I range from standard to unique...
One person's style isn't always going to be for everyone else, so I think it would be awesome if more people offered the same kinda thing. If you like to look for strategic advantages and play a macro/economic game, then we would have the same style preference.
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Just to clarify... your offer is that you give a lesson and if the person is satisfied they give you minimum 5 dollars otherwise nothing?
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On January 18 2010 02:43 micronesia wrote:
Just to clarify... your offer is that you give a lesson and if the person is satisfied they give you minimum 5 dollars otherwise nothing?
Completely optional, no expectations on my part regardless of if you felt my help was beneficial. I think radiohead did something that was pretty out of the box, and it was something like you could download their CD and you could decide what to pay for it. I.e., you could pay nothing or obviously any other dollar amount for it. So, it's basically something along the lines of that.
If one person donated it would be like the equivalent of getting more than 27% rakeback, and that alone would be a bonus in my eyes. I don't want anyone to feel compelled to give anything, but simply if you do have the means to, maybe consider it then.
I feel like improving in today's game is a lot harder than when I started out, so I would encourage those that might need some help to not think much of it. When WGT periodically came up, it was so easy to find a player of your race that beat an opponent you lost to and watch the replay; you could instantly understand what you needed to do to beat so and so.
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Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial.
Look, I don't know if you can teach well or not, but saying stuff like this is dumb. It's like people saying, "Oh, he's a practice bonjwa, he beats everyone when not on TV." So what? Just drop it, get some good reviews and ask people to vouch for you after that.
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I wish you luck, sorry mods shit up your thread last time. Your offering something completely optional, don't know why people are so quick to just tear you apart.
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On January 18 2010 03:35 Pooshlmer wrote:Show nested quote +
Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial.
Look, I don't know if you can teach well or not, but saying stuff like this is dumb. It's like people saying, "Oh, he's a practice bonjwa, he beats everyone when not on TV." So what? Just drop it, get some good reviews and ask people to vouch for you after that.
B- was a goal of my mine because it has that aura of finally becoming decent with it. A milestone for most. I got A- on pgt, but not because it was a goal of mine. When you beat Mondragon, Jf and Idra -- probably the best non Koreans of their respective races, and you have already accomplished your modest SC goal, what's the point in getting the absolute highest rank on a ladder? Do you get paid for it? When you play a ladder and you beat a lot of players of a certain rank, you can rest assure that you could get that rank if you played enough and you played motws. It's a trivial process.
I didn't realize you need people to vouch for you when you are not even obligated to pay anything. That thinking doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but ofc vouching is always good.
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Well good luck.
1) Incontrol has had ~30people. He is well known being around forever, massive post count, having some tourney achievements, and has promoted himself well.
2) I'm pretty much the top protoss contributor to the strategy forum. Ive made over 100 just asking several people to pay what they thought it was worth. I did not do any kind of session, just gave detailed replay advice.
Both cases show there is at least a small number of people are willing to pay ~10 an hour, but the fact remains that demand for this sort of thing is low. Even though I am tempted there is a reason I have not promoted myself.
The op is still rather rambling. You start off mentioning people being outraged and you are probably not even a good teacher....??? Just lay it out straight. Some replays, high rank, consider showing something free for potential students so they have some idea of what they are getting.
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On January 18 2010 04:25 Knickknack wrote:
Well good luck.
1) Incontrol has had ~30people. He is well known being around forever, massive post count, having some tourney achievements, and has promoted himself well.
2) I'm pretty much the top protoss contributor to the strategy forum. Ive made over 100 just asking several people to pay what they thought it was worth. I did not do any kind of session, just gave detailed replay advice.
Both cases show there is at least a small number of people are willing to pay ~10 an hour, but the fact remains that demand for this sort of thing is low. Even though I am tempted there is a reason I have not promoted myself.
The op is still rather rambling. You start off mentioning people being outraged and you are probably not even a good teacher....??? Just lay it out straight. Some replays, high rank, consider showing something free for potential students so they have some idea of what they are getting.
I see nothing wrong with rambling when the point is already clear: if you want to try being coached, then I'm also willing to try to help. Everything else is small talk.and rather pointless to begin with. If someone offers me a chance to eat for free, how picky can one get? Nonetheless when I have already done 100% of what you have suggested. I'm B+ high on iccup due to no one playing games on non motws above b-. Last season I played some motws...
I deleted my replays a month ago as I couldn't have envisioned needing them, and they were taking up space I thought could be better used. I have uploaded some games I have played this season. It's not much, but I don't expect to teach b+ players, and there are some B (caliber players) and higher gamers played in it. I have 2 older replays due to already being on a site -- 1 against jf from 2006, one of my earlier games before I started using the "flash" bo exclusively. Became a plus 1 timing attack on gaia, and the max with fastest grades possible on maps like luna. I also uploaded one of my reps against mondragon (wgt game) -- standard 30 min game. You would need to patch fix it though -- prob 2007 or 2008 (1.14). Btw, those two reps are in a previous topic of mine (sorry for not having link).
I have qualified for regionals twice. B+ iccup. And I can at least verify those wins... Are you really going to nit-pick over these things when you are not obligated to pay a dime? That's preposterous.
I haven't been in a SC team since 2006... I'm not going to apologize for not wanting to be well-known or wanting to build up e-cred for years later, so I could give out advice for free...
When you are going to be helping a lot of players around c-, please realize you don't need to be a confirmed pro gamer to offer a little help for free, more than likely. If anyone can't grasp that, you would probably be a lost cause for being taught.
As mentioned before, if someone wants help, simply PM me with a link to a replay or replays. If you want something more personal, simply ask via PM. There is no need to make a simple premise into rocket science.
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add me at brtarolg@hotmail.com - msn
Ill trade poker (90% ROI over 300 games of 180 mans on stars) and what knowledge i can pass on in return for starcraft training. I would say my comfort zone is medium scale (90-180 man) SNG's, but ive had a fair amount of experience in cash. Not so good at massive field MTT's (though their fundamentals are essentially the same as the 90-180 man)
Would class myself as a player who understands most of the fundamentals, however I don't think I will ever be quick enough to be anything more than a level 1-2 cash player.
Started poker around the start of uni last year (so nov 2008) and total live+online winnings are around 3.5-4k dollars.
Give me a shot anyway, i'm so bored and i really wanna get good at starcraft again
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On January 18 2010 05:01 BrTarolg wrote:
add me at brtarolg@hotmail.com - msn
Ill trade poker (90% ROI over 300 games of 180 mans on stars) and what knowledge i can pass on in return for starcraft training. I would say my comfort zone is medium scale (90-180 man) SNG's, but ive had a fair amount of experience in cash. Not so good at massive field MTT's (though their fundamentals are essentially the same as the 90-180 man)
Would class myself as a player who understands most of the fundamentals, however I don't think I will ever be quick enough to be anything more than a level 1-2 cash player.
Started poker around the start of uni last year (so nov 2008) and total live+online winnings are around 3.5-4k dollars.
Give me a shot anyway, i'm so bored and i really wanna get good at starcraft again
I came to the conclusion that sit n goes are illogical for me; you need a lot of big hands to finish in the money, and you could just as well get those same hands in a cash game and turn them into a good profit. I just don't like the variance. It's kinda interesting though because 180-man sit n goes is by far what I fare worst at when it comes to sit n goes. 90% is flat out incredible man, my jaw is dropped.. You obviously are on to something there, but I'm terrified of getting back into sit n goes, so I will politely decline and hope to offer some help for free .
I'm not an extremely social guy *laughs*, so I don't get on msn, etc. I wouldn't have gotten into posting on a SC site if it wasn't for a problem that occurred during WCG. Just PM me on Tl.net or let me know your iccup nick. I get on iccup frequently, whether it is playing or simply chatting.
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On January 17 2010 23:29 machinehead.. wrote:The last time I offered to teach -- suggested low pricing but didn't specify -- some people were outraged... I can't say I agree with that sentiment, but I hope this can be a compromise for those people. In an ideal world, everything would be mutually beneficial -- but that's not always possible: I don't want to hinder people from getting help that need/want it. If some people feel that I have helped them and donating something like 5 dollars (min transfer) on full tilt wouldn't cramp their life style, then I'd be greatly appreciative of it. I'm not the best player ever. I'm probably not even a good teacher... but I am someone that met their goals in SC and accomplished them quickly. So, hopefully I could help some of you inch closer to your goals. I started SC sometime in 2005, and a few months later I saw WCG replays of Day vs Xellos and Froz. I had no idea what WCG was until then, but I figured it would be cool to play in WCG USA and qualify. In 2006 I got to play in my first online event, and I was able to qualify but didn't attend due to distance and not having a good enough chance to justify it. In 2007 I told myself I needed to qualify for a regional that is closer to where I live. I ended up doing that, and I went -- it was a good experience -- but I had to end up forfeiting when I realized it wouldn't make financial sense and I didn't want the 17 hour drive. I had accomplished my goals and I was content, but saddened to realize it wasn't worth it financially. Especially when good SC players seem to be able to transition those skills into poker -- which can, obv, pay more. From that day on, the game became casual to me, and improving and keeping up with other players simply wasn't important to me. Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial. You can only be as good as you want to be/envision being. I would like to help others reach their SC goals if they are having trouble getting there. I plan on creating an account on full tilt tomorrow and depositing some. Any potential donations would act like a slightly higher percent in rakeback; If you play micro stakes, rake really is your biggest enemy. If I could help any reach their SC goals, and if any could help me reach my poker goals more quickly, that would be fantastic. I'm "b+" due to playing motws 1 season... account If lower level players want feedback in tvp, pvt, tvz and pvp (new at it but can win it - logic might be off though), simply upload a rep or rep pack and pm me a link, and I will try to help. If any would like some one on one coaching, just pm me and I would try to set up a time to see you on iccup. Disclaimer, I can give feedback on standard play and etc, but if I'm teaching something, it would be styles of play that I like. My goals in this post were not to be organized or overly articulate, I just hope to be of assistance to any that need help. TVZ and PVT replays this season (already uploaded) [url blocked] This time, I will have pvp games to come and I will force myself to play some tvp. I just played maps like python and luna after becoming a "casual" player. But if players want to see games on other maps, just ask and I'll learn them with you
and playing only one mu, PvT 95% of your games
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On January 18 2010 05:11 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2010 05:01 BrTarolg wrote:
add me at brtarolg@hotmail.com - msn
Ill trade poker (90% ROI over 300 games of 180 mans on stars) and what knowledge i can pass on in return for starcraft training. I would say my comfort zone is medium scale (90-180 man) SNG's, but ive had a fair amount of experience in cash. Not so good at massive field MTT's (though their fundamentals are essentially the same as the 90-180 man)
Would class myself as a player who understands most of the fundamentals, however I don't think I will ever be quick enough to be anything more than a level 1-2 cash player.
Started poker around the start of uni last year (so nov 2008) and total live+online winnings are around 3.5-4k dollars.
Give me a shot anyway, i'm so bored and i really wanna get good at starcraft again I came to the conclusion that sit n goes are illogical for me; you need a lot of big hands to finish in the money, and you could just as well get those same hands in a cash game and turn them into a good profit. I just don't like the variance. It's kinda interesting though because 180-man sit n goes is by far what I fare worst at when it comes to sit n goes. 90% is flat out incredible man, my jaw is dropped.. You obviously are on to something there, but I'm terrified of getting back into sit n goes, so I will politely decline and hope to offer some help for free . I'm not an extremely social guy *laughs*, so I don't get on msn, etc. I wouldn't have gotten into posting on a SC site if it wasn't for a problem that occurred during WCG. Just PM me on Tl.net or let me know your iccup nick. I get on iccup frequently, whether it is playing or simply chatting.
Standard decent ROI is 100%, many people can get 120% or more (though they tend to move up by then)
I suggest sit and goes because they are EASY, and within about 2 days of coaching you can easily be doing 5-6 tables at a time, usually 16 by the end of the week without much thought. It is by far the easiest way to roll up, cash is EXTREMELY difficult to roll up on.
With a 200 dollar roll you can sit on the 180 man 2 dollars, or you can play 10NL. I can be playing 15-20 sit and goes in 1.5 hours or get in 300~400 hands at cash and make 5bb/100 so thats like 2-5 dollars compared to 20-30 dollars.
I used to be shit scared of sit and goes and put my heart and soul into cash, and cash is just too freaking difficult. Game selection and BRM and volume are way more important than being good at poker
edit: fuuu that im gonna go grind. Catch me on msn, or skype - Vincent Tam / BrTarolg. Ill be 16 tabling the 2.20's
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On January 18 2010 05:38 Tossim111 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2010 23:29 machinehead.. wrote:The last time I offered to teach -- suggested low pricing but didn't specify -- some people were outraged... I can't say I agree with that sentiment, but I hope this can be a compromise for those people. In an ideal world, everything would be mutually beneficial -- but that's not always possible: I don't want to hinder people from getting help that need/want it. If some people feel that I have helped them and donating something like 5 dollars (min transfer) on full tilt wouldn't cramp their life style, then I'd be greatly appreciative of it. I'm not the best player ever. I'm probably not even a good teacher... but I am someone that met their goals in SC and accomplished them quickly. So, hopefully I could help some of you inch closer to your goals. I started SC sometime in 2005, and a few months later I saw WCG replays of Day vs Xellos and Froz. I had no idea what WCG was until then, but I figured it would be cool to play in WCG USA and qualify. In 2006 I got to play in my first online event, and I was able to qualify but didn't attend due to distance and not having a good enough chance to justify it. In 2007 I told myself I needed to qualify for a regional that is closer to where I live. I ended up doing that, and I went -- it was a good experience -- but I had to end up forfeiting when I realized it wouldn't make financial sense and I didn't want the 17 hour drive. I had accomplished my goals and I was content, but saddened to realize it wasn't worth it financially. Especially when good SC players seem to be able to transition those skills into poker -- which can, obv, pay more. From that day on, the game became casual to me, and improving and keeping up with other players simply wasn't important to me. Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial. You can only be as good as you want to be/envision being. I would like to help others reach their SC goals if they are having trouble getting there. I plan on creating an account on full tilt tomorrow and depositing some. Any potential donations would act like a slightly higher percent in rakeback; If you play micro stakes, rake really is your biggest enemy. If I could help any reach their SC goals, and if any could help me reach my poker goals more quickly, that would be fantastic. I'm "b+" due to playing motws 1 season... account If lower level players want feedback in tvp, pvt, tvz and pvp (new at it but can win it - logic might be off though), simply upload a rep or rep pack and pm me a link, and I will try to help. If any would like some one on one coaching, just pm me and I would try to set up a time to see you on iccup. Disclaimer, I can give feedback on standard play and etc, but if I'm teaching something, it would be styles of play that I like. My goals in this post were not to be organized or overly articulate, I just hope to be of assistance to any that need help. TVZ and PVT replays this season (already uploaded) [url blocked] This time, I will have pvp games to come and I will force myself to play some tvp. I just played maps like python and luna after becoming a "casual" player. But if players want to see games on other maps, just ask and I'll learn them with you and playing only one mu, PvT 95% of your games
Protoss is 500% easier (compared to terran) to hit the ground running so to speak when you haven't practiced a map before. And really, for qualifiers, if you are not active year round, it makes more sense to focus on 1 mu, then practice others if you qualify. All my main mu's are the same level. e.g, I was able to beat semih, 2-1, this years wcg qualifer, despite not practicing any tvp during the whole WCG season.
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On January 18 2010 05:49 BrTarolg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2010 05:11 machinehead.. wrote:On January 18 2010 05:01 BrTarolg wrote:
add me at brtarolg@hotmail.com - msn
Ill trade poker (90% ROI over 300 games of 180 mans on stars) and what knowledge i can pass on in return for starcraft training. I would say my comfort zone is medium scale (90-180 man) SNG's, but ive had a fair amount of experience in cash. Not so good at massive field MTT's (though their fundamentals are essentially the same as the 90-180 man)
Would class myself as a player who understands most of the fundamentals, however I don't think I will ever be quick enough to be anything more than a level 1-2 cash player.
Started poker around the start of uni last year (so nov 2008) and total live+online winnings are around 3.5-4k dollars.
Give me a shot anyway, i'm so bored and i really wanna get good at starcraft again I came to the conclusion that sit n goes are illogical for me; you need a lot of big hands to finish in the money, and you could just as well get those same hands in a cash game and turn them into a good profit. I just don't like the variance. It's kinda interesting though because 180-man sit n goes is by far what I fare worst at when it comes to sit n goes. 90% is flat out incredible man, my jaw is dropped.. You obviously are on to something there, but I'm terrified of getting back into sit n goes, so I will politely decline and hope to offer some help for free . I'm not an extremely social guy *laughs*, so I don't get on msn, etc. I wouldn't have gotten into posting on a SC site if it wasn't for a problem that occurred during WCG. Just PM me on Tl.net or let me know your iccup nick. I get on iccup frequently, whether it is playing or simply chatting. Standard decent ROI is 100%, many people can get 120% or more (though they tend to move up by then) I suggest sit and goes because they are EASY, and within about 2 days of coaching you can easily be doing 5-6 tables at a time, usually 16 by the end of the week without much thought. It is by far the easiest way to roll up, cash is EXTREMELY difficult to roll up on. With a 200 dollar roll you can sit on the 180 man 2 dollars, or you can play 10NL. I can be playing 15-20 sit and goes in 1.5 hours or get in 300~400 hands at cash and make 5bb/100 so thats like 2-5 dollars compared to 20-30 dollars. I used to be shit scared of sit and goes and put my heart and soul into cash, and cash is just too freaking difficult. Game selection and BRM and volume are way more important than being good at poker edit: fuuu that im gonna go grind. Catch me on msn, or skype - Vincent Tam / BrTarolg. Ill be 16 tabling the 2.20's
I'm not scared of cash games. I was doing well until I dl'd pokertracker and saw how much I paid in rake; I wasn't signed up for rakeback. It tilted me so much. I signed up for rakeback and I got my account closed for having multiple accounts, but you can only sign up with rakeback on new accounts. It was dumb so I quit, and just now am I going to try again, and hope they are still not cheating people.
I play so fucking tight that it's near impossible to go wrong at low stakes, like 80% showdown win rate over a large sample. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I just play such low variance style and play for big pots. I like it cause I feel comfortable and I don't experience much variance with a win rate at showdown like that. I just hate feeling like I have to force the issue in sit n goes when I'm card dead. Whereas in a cash game, I can just surf the net and hardly notice my bad string of cards.
Going to bed, so won't be able to reply for a bit. If low-levelish players want help, simply PM me some reps. Losing ones, preferably.
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Why is this name familiar? Who is this guy?
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Variance means nothing in the long run lol
Reminds me of a story of a guy who was obsessed with trying to be the best 9 man SNG player ever, who was making a solid 3k a month on rakeback, getting in HUGE volumes, 2% ROI
like 36k just on rakeback, with another 10k profit each year
Nick rainey gave him a slap in the face and told him to play the 45 and 90 mans
He paid 300 dollars in rake that month but ended up with a 21k profit 100% ROI in just one month . More profit than he made from actual non rakeback for a while year
Rake back is a serious red herring when really your winrate can be so much higher than what you pay in rake.
edit: woop shipped 80 dollars profit
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On January 18 2010 06:58 BrTarolg wrote:
Variance means nothing in the long run lol
Reminds me of a story of a guy who was obsessed with trying to be the best 9 man SNG player ever, who was making a solid 3k a month on rakeback, getting in HUGE volumes, 2% ROI
like 36k just on rakeback, with another 10k profit each year
Nick rainey gave him a slap in the face and told him to play the 45 and 90 mans
He paid 300 dollars in rake that month but ended up with a 21k profit 100% ROI in just one month . More profit than he made from actual non rakeback for a while year
Rake back is a serious red herring when really your winrate can be so much higher than what you pay in rake.
edit: woop shipped 80 dollars profit
To each their own. For a player starting out that has identified tilt as an issue, it becomes important to get over it, but also play a style that doesn't induce tilt as often. Another reason is, if you are just starting out, you could play a high-variance style and be a winning player or losing player, and it would be hard to gauge your long-term success due to not having played enough hands for it to even out. I want to get a quicker developed picture on what exactly can I expect. I'm "green," so I I'm doing noob stuff, but that's simply the starting philosophy for me. I still have a SC mentality of "I want to win every game/hand I play." Like I would make the money 7 out of 10 mtt, 18-man sit n goes, and I would say "what happened in the other 3?" Coming to terms with reality has yet to happen; I'm going to need to play more.
In a game where 95% plus are supposed losers in the game, I think the number 1 priority should always be identifying a winning system that can hold up. When you take into account how devastating tilt can be, there is more to consider than in theory the highest EV way of playing will have the highest return. If you win a large percent of the days you play, you have identified a probable winning strategy, and now it simply comes down to fine-tuning it. If you play a high-variance style, in theory you probably shouldn't be aware of whether you are playing the game correctly or not until you have played enough hands to give you a verdict; hard to improve what you don't realize is broken.
I am thinking long-term though in the regard that I don't see the highest earners in poker being sit n go players. I just see high-stakes cash game players. So forgive me for my ignorance if sit n go players have the same potential. As for tournaments, I fared well in some when I had no iota of what I was doing, so it kinda made me feel it comes down to luck...
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I was trying gas before gate builds and other weird strats, trying to get them to work in pvp on python, but apparently proxy 2 gate and 2 gate in general is simply too hard to go against -- they get an adv if not win then and there.
So, I reset and decided to use the wonder build: 2 gate. I had used 2 gate in pvp one time before the other day (some game on bluestorm), but even then, this bo is mind numbingly easy to execute, so if casual players like me play on python a lot, hopefully it helps some. [url blocked] account: http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/pipedream.html
Only real things to note: keeping probe alive in your opponent's base for as long as possible is always nice. Making pylons so you have enough psi to make reavers and other units, that's also nice. And, having lots of archons is good if it goes mid-late game. I'm not experienced in pvp, but it seems like the easiest mu in the game, so I hope to make a tvp rep pack in the future, so perhaps people can take something away from it -- as tvp actually takes skill and knowledge.
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TVP on iccup 9-10 reps, this: [url blocked] Account: http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/playa..html
I'm going to make an account today and study some poker, so I wasn't sure if I would be in a mood to play tvp in the near future, so I went ahead and played some games today. It's not much, but hopefully some players can take away some stylistic things I do and incorporate some if they are having trouble in tvp.
A few seasons ago I played an A- player, deaf-mute, and I ended up winning after an hour and 12 minutes. It was the most fatiguing and intense game of my life. After that game, I realized playing tvp at a high-level really isn't worth it when I already play pvt: can transition to pvp. So, I haven't really played tvp on ladders since then. Very rusty, but I still feel my style can help some people.
Just a few things to note: I 10 gas, 10 rax so I don't have to worry about gas steal; I can get my factory up fast enough to deal with 2 gate zeals, and get mines/siege upgraded faster.
I go fast academy because I always want to be aware of what my opponent is doing, and I don't like making turrets until I've pushed out to take my third.
I go 3 factories with machineshops as soon as I can because that many tanks can't be broken when you take your third. When you max off 3 shop tanks, you don't have to worry about 1 or 2 well placed stasis's on your tanks being gg for you -- you still have a good chance. It's a more muscle style. I'm not big on harassing, as I feel good toss players shouldn't be harassed easily or at all, so I stick to trying to delay expos and that's about it.
The most important concept in SC to me is the "burden" concept; If you are always aware of who the onus is on to attack/expo or make certain units, then you can always be prepared and make wise attacks yourself. If you realize the onus is on someone to attack, you can defend appropriately, and if they don't attack, it is now only a matter of going through the motions to collect your win. Never be the one to attack when the burden is not on you.
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Elky isnt a cash player
You just dont hear as much about the SNG players. Tbh, you dont need to be making mirrions to have a comfortable living, 100k is more than 95% of people earn (probably more than 99%) and that is a very realistic goal
Also many of the "high stakes cash" players you hear about (like negreanu, hansen) are actually tournament players, and are pretty shitty at cash (fish at nosebleed stakes for sure)
Not to mention, the vast majority of hansens fortune doesnt even come from poker (i think hes a massive net loser at cash lol)
It should be pretty obvious about 2-300 games in whether youre a winning player at SNG or not, though your winrate will fluctuate. Thats about a week of play so aint much
1k games and you can start pinning your real winrate down
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On January 21 2010 01:06 BrTarolg wrote:Elky isnt a cash player You just dont hear as much about the SNG players. Tbh, you dont need to be making mirrions to have a comfortable living, 100k is more than 95% of people earn (probably more than 99%) and that is a very realistic goal Also many of the "high stakes cash" players you hear about (like negreanu, hansen) are actually tournament players, and are pretty shitty at cash (fish at nosebleed stakes for sure) Not to mention, the vast majority of hansens fortune doesnt even come from poker (i think hes a massive net loser at cash lol) It should be pretty obvious about 2-300 games in whether youre a winning player at SNG or not, though your winrate will fluctuate. Thats about a week of play so aint much 1k games and you can start pinning your real winrate down
I forgot about elky; that guy dominates tournaments. I was looking at some poker site that had how often players cash in tournaments/sit n goes; the top players, even elky, seemed to cash so infrequently that it just didn't attract me. I used to watch Negranu play some tourneys on pokerstars, and I don't think I've ever seen him cash once. I thought he was like the best poker player at the time, so I was really taken back by it.
When I first started on pokerstars, I won a 45 man satellite and won a ticket into a Sunday 20k guaranteed event, and I ended up getting 90th out of 20k people. I was playing while I was helping my parents move my stuff out. I was missing quite a few hands. The point of the story is I had no clue how to play. I was just playing like any other noob that played in freerolls. Tournaments are fun, I just couldn't see myself focusing on them as my "breadwinner." I love playing premium hands and taking advantage of people that are playing for "fun." In sit n goes, too often I have to play bad hands and win several coin flips just to cash.
I love that you are doing well in sit n goes, but it's just not my personal preference due to my play style.
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Awesome
Can you teach a zerg?
I would assume you could teach ZvT or at least give some insight, right?
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huh? he said in the OP that he doesn't charge
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randomKo_Orean, stop shitting up this thread. Go back to your own( isnt that why u made one?)
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On January 21 2010 07:49 frogmelter wrote:
Awesome
Can you teach a zerg?
I would assume you could teach ZvT or at least give some insight, right?
O gawd, I'm the worst zerg player evers! All I can really say about zvt from a terran's perspective, that used to play standard, is that I hated playing against the spire, den, fake muta build. Something ret likes to use a lot (see his last game against Idra) -- probably because he didn't like playing against it either as terran. In theory, when you make the other person "waste" minerals on turrets, you have gained an advantage. Unless you have very good muta micro, it's probably wise to use the fake muta build some.
Late game, never make a guardian. I haven't seen a game in my life where zerg won a zvt when they made at least 1 guardian, besides savior when he was dominate. A hallmark of any good zvt player is nydus canal usage; I would work on making one at every base and really perfecting the art of using them. I feel like if zerg uses them well, you really need to use emp to be able to crack the base.
Also, I feel like overlord speed is drastically underused. Not only does it allow you to scout more of the map, but it creates paranoia for the terran player, as he now has to calculate all of his moves based on the assertion that he could be getting mass dropped at any time. It's not an enjoyable thing. And when you realize you are in a position that calls for drops for you to be able to win the game, you are able to quickly obtain that ability.
Another style of play that I hate playing against is MASS speedlings to supplement their lurker army when they see terran move out for their mid game push. An example, yellow vs boxer (a few months ago): vod. I don't make fire bats until I'm aware of their need, and I think most others are that way too, and this style can really hurt them.
Anyways, those are just a few things off the top of my head. If you really want to get into the head of a zerg player, just check out any day[9] livestream where he does analysis of a zvt or any z game.
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you really need to use emp to be able to crack the base.
^ emp? O_o
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On January 22 2010 08:39 HeavOnEarth wrote:^ emp? O_o
I am like the biggest fan of emp in tvz that I know of. One of the most beneficial times to use emp is when you are dealing with a base that is defended by a nydus canal and they are relying on popping out defilers to lay down swarms. You have 2 options in this scenario: 1) irradiate the defiler even though it can still get off swarms, and they can make new defilers to go through the nydus canal before the swarm wears off, OR you can emp the defilers as soon as they pop out and then charge in.
Emp defilers, then irradiate. It works wonders. Irradiating defilers first is more wise when you are in an open position and you have room to maneuver, but in a situation where you can't afford for them to get off a swarm, regardless of if you end up killing that defiler, then emp becomes the most logical spell to use in that instance.
For terrans out there, I would strongly advocate giving emp a chance. Lot's of times zergs will be committing to battles (battles they can't win without swarm) without having a chance to retreat due to not figuring they won't be able to get off a swarm. It's a game-breaking or game-changing spell when used correctly.
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Why don't you stream yourself playing B+/A- games ? oh wait !
If i ever was to do something like you, I would mass game and stream it.
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On January 22 2010 22:10 Boonbag wrote:
Why don't you stream yourself playing B+/A- games ? oh wait !
If i ever was to do something like you, I would mass game and stream it.
I admire the persistence in trolling. Persistence like that is what you need to improve at SC. Hopefully you can get better priorities. I haven't played a single game since my last mini rep pack. I've moved on to focusing on and playing poker, not playing SC. In the future, perhaps, but I figure it would lag me quite a bit. I hope you tell me your iccup rank so I can instantly laugh at the notion and say something real clever like, "I bet you are..."
There is nothing more conducive to improving than studying replays and analyzing the timings and the reasoning behind all the moves. I have offered rep's in every matchup. If you are a struggling lower ranked player, simply try some of the same strategies and send me a replay if you have a question about what went wrong, or w/e.
Mondragon isn't B rank. Jf isn't B rank. Idra isn't B rank. Use logic, at the worst I could be would be a B rank player that played like kwark half the time to win. But, if you have seen a replay of those... obviously not the case. If you want to try to act "smart" it helps if you have that attribute to begin with.
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emp defilers? seriously? it takes like 3-4 seconds to consume two zerglings to throw up a swarm. you're wayyyy better off irradiating
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There's one thing I do in tvp that I would like to note: If you don't block off in TVP, and if you don't have a probe that is in your base that you need to kill off, then send one of your marines to your choke to spot for an incoming zealot or probe. You don't want to first notice a zealot when it's already killed one of your marines on your ramp. Have it at your choke to give you more time to prepare -- micro; make more marines or get a vult instead of machine shop. Once it's clear a zealot isn't coming, then go back to your ramp and prepare to fend off goons.
That stuff is ofc imo, but it can be really beneficial if you are having trouble against zealot openings.
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On January 22 2010 23:02 CTStalker wrote:
emp defilers? seriously? it takes like 3-4 seconds to consume two zerglings to throw up a swarm. you're wayyyy better off irradiating
No one is prepared to have 2 or so defilers emp'd as soon as they pop out of a canal. Your army should be in attacking range to kill the canal and snipe the defilers before it could consume the lings and get off a swarm. It's a proximity thing -- if you are not close enough, then by all means use irradiate first.
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A scouting tip: always scout the most important position first. What I mean by that is, what position will make you cross your fingers and hope for the best if you don't scout it? Generally, that is the position with the quickest drop distance to your mineral line. You need to be able to adjust your timings to handle fast drops or fast dts at close positions. You never want to have to use those super fast timings meant to handle those when you haven't got a clue if that is what they are doing. .
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Is your life really this pathetic that all you do is troll? Guys, random_korean is an attention whore and he has another thread, please feed the whore by giving him ideas to try out so he can have the attention his mother never gave him. I have no idea what your issue is, but you definitely have one.
I'm new to tl.net, I didn't realize you could ban; if there was a kill option in real life, I would have used that for sure.
Can't fit in with a Korean community because you are a noob/annoying as fuck there, so you come here to feel like a big man? Grow the fuck up.
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On January 23 2010 08:26 machinehead.. wrote:
I'm new to tl.net, I didn't realize you could ban; if there was a kill option in real life, I would have used that for sure.
Damn, you hard.
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On January 23 2010 08:31 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 08:26 machinehead.. wrote:
I'm new to tl.net, I didn't realize you could ban; if there was a kill option in real life, I would have used that for sure. Damn, you hard.
Not as hard as your boyfriends erection at the chance to troll. When you get done sucking him off some more, perhaps you could think about making your first post on tl.net with any substance. In other words, get someone else to post for you. Thanks.
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why are u guys shitting on him? sure he started off on a bad note but i see nothing wrong with this thread
.. typical TL bandwagon imo
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On January 22 2010 23:02 CTStalker wrote:
emp defilers? seriously? it takes like 3-4 seconds to consume two zerglings to throw up a swarm. you're wayyyy better off irradiating
On July 19 2009 16:28 IdrA wrote:
situations where emp is more useful are not rare at all, whenever you're going 2-3 port and they arent doing a ridiculously good job of killing vessels its well worth it to get emp. theres so many times when that extra 2 seconds consume takes is the difference between having a swarm up in your natural or not, or killing their expo or not. how many times do you see a 3 group mm army charging an expo to have 2 lurkers under a last second swarm hold them off until reinforcements are there? with emp thats a dead expo.
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On January 23 2010 14:15 HeavOnEarth wrote:
why are u guys shitting on him? sure he started off on a bad note but i see nothing wrong with this thread
.. typical TL bandwagon imo
agreed
he might tick some people off with his straightforward attitude but at least he says things that i can comprehend and use, some really interesting advice so far
whereas people like "random_korean" just not bearable at all. Lmao i would even question that guys sanity, he posts batshit insane walls of retarded text like some 13 year old idiot
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So.... I've been playing poker and can't complain about much, but one thing that has perplexed me is playing Ace King out of position; to the winning poker players out there, is it ok to fold ace king off suit when out of position in a ring game? I hate knowing I'm going to miss the flop most of the time -- while being out of position -- and then when I do hit the flop, it's transparent so it's hard to get paid off. I simply don't understand how to make it a profitable situation.
I would love to fold Ace King and think nothing of it when out of position, but I feel like I'm breaking some poker commandment and thus will be ridiculed and miss out on money.
Any insights on Ace King in general would be appreciated. Also, is it too passive to play QQ as a hand that is basically relying on a set? Ie., you have an overpair to the board; you raise and then you get re-raised, so you fold. If that is standard, is that erroing on the side of caution going to be minus EV?
If anyone has insights on those questions and wants help on SC, I can trade some info.
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There was a guy who played Online Poker as his profession, made about 5k a month and he was looking to trade tips for Starcraft tips.
I think you should get to know him.
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Add handling ridiculous beats to the inquiry: I took a shot at the next level, as I didn't feel like waiting 2 days to be "properly" rolled (rakeback). 5 minutes later, a kid opened with a raise from first position with 89 off suit and then called a 3x re-raise, and then he called an all-in after flopping a fucking 9. We were both full-stacked and he cracked my Aces by going runner runner for a straight.
89 off suit in a 9 man ring game from first position. Everything about what transpired tilts me and never again will I take another "shot" at anything. Could have at least been suited.
I saw someone that had played over a million hands without being able to move up to the next level, or make any money for that matter, so I guess life could be worse.
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No folding AK is pretty bad play! Only fold AK if you are getting raised by an extreme nit... even then I don't know if I could fold. Are you playing 6max or full table? it sounds like you are playing weak tight poker and any decent player will see your low % and will result in no action. You might as well just play short stack since you're not playing poker at all. This doesn't mean however that you shouldn't play tight aggressive at lower stakes, but extremely tight weak, passive play is bad even at lower stakes. No you should play QQ agressively post flop.
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On February 03 2010 21:43 Wotans_Fire wrote:
No folding AK is pretty bad play! Only fold AK if you are getting raised by an extreme nit... even then I don't know if I could fold. Are you playing 6max or full table? it sounds like you are playing weak tight poker and any decent player will see your low % and will result in no action. You might as well just play short stack since your not playing poker at all. This doesn't mean however that you shouldn't play tight at lower stakes and no you should play QQ aggressively post flop.
I prefer playing full table. I play tight-aggressive, I simply respect re-raises until I have a reason not to. And I think ace king is too over-rated to care much about it when out of position. I'd rather play an ace suited hand and have a chance at an unforeseeable 2 pair, or simply a mathematical-based decision on what to do next. Not saying I play ace suited hands out of position when facing a raise, but it would probably be more preferable.
Since I don't bluff much, if at all, if a regular re-raises me, I simply can't fathom QQ being better than a marginal decision. Reverse psychology, not at this level, lols.
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