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The last time I offered to teach -- suggested low pricing but didn't specify -- some people were outraged... I can't say I agree with that sentiment, but I hope this can be a compromise for those people. In an ideal world, everything would be mutually beneficial -- but that's not always possible: I don't want to hinder people from getting help that need/want it. If some people feel that I have helped them and donating something like 5 dollars (min transfer) on full tilt wouldn't cramp their life style, then I'd be greatly appreciative of it.
I'm not the best player ever. I'm probably not even a good teacher... but I am someone that met their goals in SC and accomplished them quickly. So, hopefully I could help some of you inch closer to your goals.
I started SC sometime in 2005, and a few months later I saw WCG replays of Day vs Xellos and Froz. I had no idea what WCG was until then, but I figured it would be cool to play in WCG USA and qualify. In 2006 I got to play in my first online event, and I was able to qualify but didn't attend due to distance and not having a good enough chance to justify it. In 2007 I told myself I needed to qualify for a regional that is closer to where I live. I ended up doing that, and I went -- it was a good experience -- but I had to end up forfeiting when I realized it wouldn't make financial sense and I didn't want the 17 hour drive.
I had accomplished my goals and I was content, but saddened to realize it wasn't worth it financially. Especially when good SC players seem to be able to transition those skills into poker -- which can, obv, pay more. From that day on, the game became casual to me, and improving and keeping up with other players simply wasn't important to me.
Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial.
You can only be as good as you want to be/envision being. I would like to help others reach their SC goals if they are having trouble getting there.
I plan on creating an account on full tilt tomorrow and depositing some. Any potential donations would act like a slightly higher percent in rakeback; If you play micro stakes, rake really is your biggest enemy. If I could help any reach their SC goals, and if any could help me reach my poker goals more quickly, that would be fantastic.
I'm "b+" due to playing motws 1 season... account
If lower level players want feedback in tvp, pvt, tvz and pvp (new at it but can win it - logic might be off though), simply upload a rep or rep pack and pm me a link, and I will try to help. If any would like some one on one coaching, just pm me and I would try to set up a time to see you on iccup. Disclaimer, I can give feedback on standard play and etc, but if I'm teaching something, it would be styles of play that I like.
My goals in this post were not to be organized or overly articulate, I just hope to be of assistance to any that need help. TVZ and PVT replays this season (already uploaded) [url blocked] This time, I will have pvp games to come and I will force myself to play some tvp. I just played maps like python and luna after becoming a "casual" player. But if players want to see games on other maps, just ask and I'll learn them with you 
 
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I`ll wait till you reach the point when you start giving money to people to be trained by you.
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lol ^
Seriosly im prepared to help any for free/donations too 
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Teamliquid I've given you all and now I'm nothing.
When can I go to the strategy forum and post what I want with my good looks?
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Yay, this is what you should have done a month ago
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Just so people have an idea of what specialized bo's they would be taught, besides pointers on their standard play: In tvz I love fast vessels. In tvp my style would probably best be characterized as a variant to how Canata plays (fast expo, 1 fac, port for wraith). In pvt, Movie probably plays the most similar, style wise. In pvp, I range from standard to unique...
One person's style isn't always going to be for everyone else, so I think it would be awesome if more people offered the same kinda thing. If you like to look for strategic advantages and play a macro/economic game, then we would have the same style preference.
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Just to clarify... your offer is that you give a lesson and if the person is satisfied they give you minimum 5 dollars otherwise nothing?
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On January 18 2010 02:43 micronesia wrote:
Just to clarify... your offer is that you give a lesson and if the person is satisfied they give you minimum 5 dollars otherwise nothing?
Completely optional, no expectations on my part regardless of if you felt my help was beneficial. I think radiohead did something that was pretty out of the box, and it was something like you could download their CD and you could decide what to pay for it. I.e., you could pay nothing or obviously any other dollar amount for it. So, it's basically something along the lines of that.
If one person donated it would be like the equivalent of getting more than 27% rakeback, and that alone would be a bonus in my eyes. I don't want anyone to feel compelled to give anything, but simply if you do have the means to, maybe consider it then.
I feel like improving in today's game is a lot harder than when I started out, so I would encourage those that might need some help to not think much of it. When WGT periodically came up, it was so easy to find a player of your race that beat an opponent you lost to and watch the replay; you could instantly understand what you needed to do to beat so and so.
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Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial.
Look, I don't know if you can teach well or not, but saying stuff like this is dumb. It's like people saying, "Oh, he's a practice bonjwa, he beats everyone when not on TV." So what? Just drop it, get some good reviews and ask people to vouch for you after that.
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I wish you luck, sorry mods shit up your thread last time. Your offering something completely optional, don't know why people are so quick to just tear you apart.
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On January 18 2010 03:35 Pooshlmer wrote:Show nested quote +
Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial.
Look, I don't know if you can teach well or not, but saying stuff like this is dumb. It's like people saying, "Oh, he's a practice bonjwa, he beats everyone when not on TV." So what? Just drop it, get some good reviews and ask people to vouch for you after that.
B- was a goal of my mine because it has that aura of finally becoming decent with it. A milestone for most. I got A- on pgt, but not because it was a goal of mine. When you beat Mondragon, Jf and Idra -- probably the best non Koreans of their respective races, and you have already accomplished your modest SC goal, what's the point in getting the absolute highest rank on a ladder? Do you get paid for it? When you play a ladder and you beat a lot of players of a certain rank, you can rest assure that you could get that rank if you played enough and you played motws. It's a trivial process.
I didn't realize you need people to vouch for you when you are not even obligated to pay anything. That thinking doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but ofc vouching is always good.
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Well good luck.
1) Incontrol has had ~30people. He is well known being around forever, massive post count, having some tourney achievements, and has promoted himself well.
2) I'm pretty much the top protoss contributor to the strategy forum. Ive made over 100 just asking several people to pay what they thought it was worth. I did not do any kind of session, just gave detailed replay advice.
Both cases show there is at least a small number of people are willing to pay ~10 an hour, but the fact remains that demand for this sort of thing is low. Even though I am tempted there is a reason I have not promoted myself.
The op is still rather rambling. You start off mentioning people being outraged and you are probably not even a good teacher....??? Just lay it out straight. Some replays, high rank, consider showing something free for potential students so they have some idea of what they are getting.
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On January 18 2010 04:25 Knickknack wrote:
Well good luck.
1) Incontrol has had ~30people. He is well known being around forever, massive post count, having some tourney achievements, and has promoted himself well.
2) I'm pretty much the top protoss contributor to the strategy forum. Ive made over 100 just asking several people to pay what they thought it was worth. I did not do any kind of session, just gave detailed replay advice.
Both cases show there is at least a small number of people are willing to pay ~10 an hour, but the fact remains that demand for this sort of thing is low. Even though I am tempted there is a reason I have not promoted myself.
The op is still rather rambling. You start off mentioning people being outraged and you are probably not even a good teacher....??? Just lay it out straight. Some replays, high rank, consider showing something free for potential students so they have some idea of what they are getting.
I see nothing wrong with rambling when the point is already clear: if you want to try being coached, then I'm also willing to try to help. Everything else is small talk.and rather pointless to begin with. If someone offers me a chance to eat for free, how picky can one get? Nonetheless when I have already done 100% of what you have suggested. I'm B+ high on iccup due to no one playing games on non motws above b-. Last season I played some motws...
I deleted my replays a month ago as I couldn't have envisioned needing them, and they were taking up space I thought could be better used. I have uploaded some games I have played this season. It's not much, but I don't expect to teach b+ players, and there are some B (caliber players) and higher gamers played in it. I have 2 older replays due to already being on a site -- 1 against jf from 2006, one of my earlier games before I started using the "flash" bo exclusively. Became a plus 1 timing attack on gaia, and the max with fastest grades possible on maps like luna. I also uploaded one of my reps against mondragon (wgt game) -- standard 30 min game. You would need to patch fix it though -- prob 2007 or 2008 (1.14). Btw, those two reps are in a previous topic of mine (sorry for not having link).
I have qualified for regionals twice. B+ iccup. And I can at least verify those wins... Are you really going to nit-pick over these things when you are not obligated to pay a dime? That's preposterous.
I haven't been in a SC team since 2006... I'm not going to apologize for not wanting to be well-known or wanting to build up e-cred for years later, so I could give out advice for free...
When you are going to be helping a lot of players around c-, please realize you don't need to be a confirmed pro gamer to offer a little help for free, more than likely. If anyone can't grasp that, you would probably be a lost cause for being taught.
As mentioned before, if someone wants help, simply PM me with a link to a replay or replays. If you want something more personal, simply ask via PM. There is no need to make a simple premise into rocket science.
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add me at brtarolg@hotmail.com - msn
Ill trade poker (90% ROI over 300 games of 180 mans on stars) and what knowledge i can pass on in return for starcraft training. I would say my comfort zone is medium scale (90-180 man) SNG's, but ive had a fair amount of experience in cash. Not so good at massive field MTT's (though their fundamentals are essentially the same as the 90-180 man)
Would class myself as a player who understands most of the fundamentals, however I don't think I will ever be quick enough to be anything more than a level 1-2 cash player.
Started poker around the start of uni last year (so nov 2008) and total live+online winnings are around 3.5-4k dollars.
Give me a shot anyway, i'm so bored and i really wanna get good at starcraft again
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On January 18 2010 05:01 BrTarolg wrote:
add me at brtarolg@hotmail.com - msn
Ill trade poker (90% ROI over 300 games of 180 mans on stars) and what knowledge i can pass on in return for starcraft training. I would say my comfort zone is medium scale (90-180 man) SNG's, but ive had a fair amount of experience in cash. Not so good at massive field MTT's (though their fundamentals are essentially the same as the 90-180 man)
Would class myself as a player who understands most of the fundamentals, however I don't think I will ever be quick enough to be anything more than a level 1-2 cash player.
Started poker around the start of uni last year (so nov 2008) and total live+online winnings are around 3.5-4k dollars.
Give me a shot anyway, i'm so bored and i really wanna get good at starcraft again
I came to the conclusion that sit n goes are illogical for me; you need a lot of big hands to finish in the money, and you could just as well get those same hands in a cash game and turn them into a good profit. I just don't like the variance. It's kinda interesting though because 180-man sit n goes is by far what I fare worst at when it comes to sit n goes. 90% is flat out incredible man, my jaw is dropped.. You obviously are on to something there, but I'm terrified of getting back into sit n goes, so I will politely decline and hope to offer some help for free .
I'm not an extremely social guy *laughs*, so I don't get on msn, etc. I wouldn't have gotten into posting on a SC site if it wasn't for a problem that occurred during WCG. Just PM me on Tl.net or let me know your iccup nick. I get on iccup frequently, whether it is playing or simply chatting.
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On January 17 2010 23:29 machinehead.. wrote:The last time I offered to teach -- suggested low pricing but didn't specify -- some people were outraged... I can't say I agree with that sentiment, but I hope this can be a compromise for those people. In an ideal world, everything would be mutually beneficial -- but that's not always possible: I don't want to hinder people from getting help that need/want it. If some people feel that I have helped them and donating something like 5 dollars (min transfer) on full tilt wouldn't cramp their life style, then I'd be greatly appreciative of it. I'm not the best player ever. I'm probably not even a good teacher... but I am someone that met their goals in SC and accomplished them quickly. So, hopefully I could help some of you inch closer to your goals. I started SC sometime in 2005, and a few months later I saw WCG replays of Day vs Xellos and Froz. I had no idea what WCG was until then, but I figured it would be cool to play in WCG USA and qualify. In 2006 I got to play in my first online event, and I was able to qualify but didn't attend due to distance and not having a good enough chance to justify it. In 2007 I told myself I needed to qualify for a regional that is closer to where I live. I ended up doing that, and I went -- it was a good experience -- but I had to end up forfeiting when I realized it wouldn't make financial sense and I didn't want the 17 hour drive. I had accomplished my goals and I was content, but saddened to realize it wasn't worth it financially. Especially when good SC players seem to be able to transition those skills into poker -- which can, obv, pay more. From that day on, the game became casual to me, and improving and keeping up with other players simply wasn't important to me. Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial. You can only be as good as you want to be/envision being. I would like to help others reach their SC goals if they are having trouble getting there. I plan on creating an account on full tilt tomorrow and depositing some. Any potential donations would act like a slightly higher percent in rakeback; If you play micro stakes, rake really is your biggest enemy. If I could help any reach their SC goals, and if any could help me reach my poker goals more quickly, that would be fantastic. I'm "b+" due to playing motws 1 season... account If lower level players want feedback in tvp, pvt, tvz and pvp (new at it but can win it - logic might be off though), simply upload a rep or rep pack and pm me a link, and I will try to help. If any would like some one on one coaching, just pm me and I would try to set up a time to see you on iccup. Disclaimer, I can give feedback on standard play and etc, but if I'm teaching something, it would be styles of play that I like. My goals in this post were not to be organized or overly articulate, I just hope to be of assistance to any that need help. TVZ and PVT replays this season (already uploaded) [url blocked] This time, I will have pvp games to come and I will force myself to play some tvp. I just played maps like python and luna after becoming a "casual" player. But if players want to see games on other maps, just ask and I'll learn them with you
and playing only one mu, PvT 95% of your games
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On January 18 2010 05:11 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2010 05:01 BrTarolg wrote:
add me at brtarolg@hotmail.com - msn
Ill trade poker (90% ROI over 300 games of 180 mans on stars) and what knowledge i can pass on in return for starcraft training. I would say my comfort zone is medium scale (90-180 man) SNG's, but ive had a fair amount of experience in cash. Not so good at massive field MTT's (though their fundamentals are essentially the same as the 90-180 man)
Would class myself as a player who understands most of the fundamentals, however I don't think I will ever be quick enough to be anything more than a level 1-2 cash player.
Started poker around the start of uni last year (so nov 2008) and total live+online winnings are around 3.5-4k dollars.
Give me a shot anyway, i'm so bored and i really wanna get good at starcraft again I came to the conclusion that sit n goes are illogical for me; you need a lot of big hands to finish in the money, and you could just as well get those same hands in a cash game and turn them into a good profit. I just don't like the variance. It's kinda interesting though because 180-man sit n goes is by far what I fare worst at when it comes to sit n goes. 90% is flat out incredible man, my jaw is dropped.. You obviously are on to something there, but I'm terrified of getting back into sit n goes, so I will politely decline and hope to offer some help for free . I'm not an extremely social guy *laughs*, so I don't get on msn, etc. I wouldn't have gotten into posting on a SC site if it wasn't for a problem that occurred during WCG. Just PM me on Tl.net or let me know your iccup nick. I get on iccup frequently, whether it is playing or simply chatting.
Standard decent ROI is 100%, many people can get 120% or more (though they tend to move up by then)
I suggest sit and goes because they are EASY, and within about 2 days of coaching you can easily be doing 5-6 tables at a time, usually 16 by the end of the week without much thought. It is by far the easiest way to roll up, cash is EXTREMELY difficult to roll up on.
With a 200 dollar roll you can sit on the 180 man 2 dollars, or you can play 10NL. I can be playing 15-20 sit and goes in 1.5 hours or get in 300~400 hands at cash and make 5bb/100 so thats like 2-5 dollars compared to 20-30 dollars.
I used to be shit scared of sit and goes and put my heart and soul into cash, and cash is just too freaking difficult. Game selection and BRM and volume are way more important than being good at poker
edit: fuuu that im gonna go grind. Catch me on msn, or skype - Vincent Tam / BrTarolg. Ill be 16 tabling the 2.20's
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On January 18 2010 05:38 Tossim111 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2010 23:29 machinehead.. wrote:The last time I offered to teach -- suggested low pricing but didn't specify -- some people were outraged... I can't say I agree with that sentiment, but I hope this can be a compromise for those people. In an ideal world, everything would be mutually beneficial -- but that's not always possible: I don't want to hinder people from getting help that need/want it. If some people feel that I have helped them and donating something like 5 dollars (min transfer) on full tilt wouldn't cramp their life style, then I'd be greatly appreciative of it. I'm not the best player ever. I'm probably not even a good teacher... but I am someone that met their goals in SC and accomplished them quickly. So, hopefully I could help some of you inch closer to your goals. I started SC sometime in 2005, and a few months later I saw WCG replays of Day vs Xellos and Froz. I had no idea what WCG was until then, but I figured it would be cool to play in WCG USA and qualify. In 2006 I got to play in my first online event, and I was able to qualify but didn't attend due to distance and not having a good enough chance to justify it. In 2007 I told myself I needed to qualify for a regional that is closer to where I live. I ended up doing that, and I went -- it was a good experience -- but I had to end up forfeiting when I realized it wouldn't make financial sense and I didn't want the 17 hour drive. I had accomplished my goals and I was content, but saddened to realize it wasn't worth it financially. Especially when good SC players seem to be able to transition those skills into poker -- which can, obv, pay more. From that day on, the game became casual to me, and improving and keeping up with other players simply wasn't important to me. Reaching b- was my only ladder goal. I never went out of my way to play motws to get something like A-. I knew what skill level I could play at, and having a superficial rank to make that apparent to others was trivial. You can only be as good as you want to be/envision being. I would like to help others reach their SC goals if they are having trouble getting there. I plan on creating an account on full tilt tomorrow and depositing some. Any potential donations would act like a slightly higher percent in rakeback; If you play micro stakes, rake really is your biggest enemy. If I could help any reach their SC goals, and if any could help me reach my poker goals more quickly, that would be fantastic. I'm "b+" due to playing motws 1 season... account If lower level players want feedback in tvp, pvt, tvz and pvp (new at it but can win it - logic might be off though), simply upload a rep or rep pack and pm me a link, and I will try to help. If any would like some one on one coaching, just pm me and I would try to set up a time to see you on iccup. Disclaimer, I can give feedback on standard play and etc, but if I'm teaching something, it would be styles of play that I like. My goals in this post were not to be organized or overly articulate, I just hope to be of assistance to any that need help. TVZ and PVT replays this season (already uploaded) [url blocked] This time, I will have pvp games to come and I will force myself to play some tvp. I just played maps like python and luna after becoming a "casual" player. But if players want to see games on other maps, just ask and I'll learn them with you and playing only one mu, PvT 95% of your games
Protoss is 500% easier (compared to terran) to hit the ground running so to speak when you haven't practiced a map before. And really, for qualifiers, if you are not active year round, it makes more sense to focus on 1 mu, then practice others if you qualify. All my main mu's are the same level. e.g, I was able to beat semih, 2-1, this years wcg qualifer, despite not practicing any tvp during the whole WCG season.
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On January 18 2010 05:49 BrTarolg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2010 05:11 machinehead.. wrote:On January 18 2010 05:01 BrTarolg wrote:
add me at brtarolg@hotmail.com - msn
Ill trade poker (90% ROI over 300 games of 180 mans on stars) and what knowledge i can pass on in return for starcraft training. I would say my comfort zone is medium scale (90-180 man) SNG's, but ive had a fair amount of experience in cash. Not so good at massive field MTT's (though their fundamentals are essentially the same as the 90-180 man)
Would class myself as a player who understands most of the fundamentals, however I don't think I will ever be quick enough to be anything more than a level 1-2 cash player.
Started poker around the start of uni last year (so nov 2008) and total live+online winnings are around 3.5-4k dollars.
Give me a shot anyway, i'm so bored and i really wanna get good at starcraft again I came to the conclusion that sit n goes are illogical for me; you need a lot of big hands to finish in the money, and you could just as well get those same hands in a cash game and turn them into a good profit. I just don't like the variance. It's kinda interesting though because 180-man sit n goes is by far what I fare worst at when it comes to sit n goes. 90% is flat out incredible man, my jaw is dropped.. You obviously are on to something there, but I'm terrified of getting back into sit n goes, so I will politely decline and hope to offer some help for free . I'm not an extremely social guy *laughs*, so I don't get on msn, etc. I wouldn't have gotten into posting on a SC site if it wasn't for a problem that occurred during WCG. Just PM me on Tl.net or let me know your iccup nick. I get on iccup frequently, whether it is playing or simply chatting. Standard decent ROI is 100%, many people can get 120% or more (though they tend to move up by then) I suggest sit and goes because they are EASY, and within about 2 days of coaching you can easily be doing 5-6 tables at a time, usually 16 by the end of the week without much thought. It is by far the easiest way to roll up, cash is EXTREMELY difficult to roll up on. With a 200 dollar roll you can sit on the 180 man 2 dollars, or you can play 10NL. I can be playing 15-20 sit and goes in 1.5 hours or get in 300~400 hands at cash and make 5bb/100 so thats like 2-5 dollars compared to 20-30 dollars. I used to be shit scared of sit and goes and put my heart and soul into cash, and cash is just too freaking difficult. Game selection and BRM and volume are way more important than being good at poker edit: fuuu that im gonna go grind. Catch me on msn, or skype - Vincent Tam / BrTarolg. Ill be 16 tabling the 2.20's
I'm not scared of cash games. I was doing well until I dl'd pokertracker and saw how much I paid in rake; I wasn't signed up for rakeback. It tilted me so much. I signed up for rakeback and I got my account closed for having multiple accounts, but you can only sign up with rakeback on new accounts. It was dumb so I quit, and just now am I going to try again, and hope they are still not cheating people.
I play so fucking tight that it's near impossible to go wrong at low stakes, like 80% showdown win rate over a large sample. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I just play such low variance style and play for big pots. I like it cause I feel comfortable and I don't experience much variance with a win rate at showdown like that. I just hate feeling like I have to force the issue in sit n goes when I'm card dead. Whereas in a cash game, I can just surf the net and hardly notice my bad string of cards.
Going to bed, so won't be able to reply for a bit. If low-levelish players want help, simply PM me some reps. Losing ones, preferably.
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