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This is by far the most terrifying decision or thought I have had in recent memory.
Early 2005 I got a job data entry job at a mining/engineering company, it was suppose to be temporary, I enjoyed the income and freedom. I rapidly move up the company as positions became available, sales, consulting, etc, February next year marks 5 years at this company.
My position is concreted, I am easily one of more experienced people there, I know how to do every facet of most jobs there and I am paid very well for my age (23).
I have no doubt that I will continue to move up in position and salary over the next few years. With a more than likely chance of a management position in 5-6.
The problem is I no longer like what I do, part of being so proficient at it mean I am constantly bored, but the main reason is that I really dislike a handful of people who I work with, getting along with them is really not an option. I want to quit my job and find another, but I have had to work my way up to my position and salary, although I am sure I am capable of doing the same in any other company, I really don't want to have to lose 2-3 years climbing up that ladder.
Also with my really young age, I don't know how appealing that will be to other potential employers, my resume basically says School - 5 Years at one job and nothing else.
I have to get out of this place, I am constantly depressed and people have to walk around on egg shells around me so I don't bite someones head off.
Has anyone else had to make this decision? How did you deal with it, and what was the outcome?
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How much do you make though?
Do you have a good boss?
In what ways do you get bored with your work?
Its really your call though, just save up the money ( work for a couple more years if the pays really good ) and go back to school or something like that.
It sounds like a good job, but with terrible people.
I hope you will make a wise decision my friend.
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I was in your position once. I walked away, and to date, I still regret that decision so much. If I could go back, I'd just suck it up and stay.
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On December 26 2009 15:09 Sky101 wrote:
I was in your position once. I walked away, and to date, I still regret that decision so much. If I could go back, I'd just suck it up and stay.
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It's an awful time to change jobs right now. No matter what bullshit they say about an economic recovery, it's mostly the banks that are doing well right now, unemployment is still very high. You should probably at least wait for a better time, when positions start opening up.
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Is it a small company? Large company?
Maybe you can talk with your boss and see if they can move you around to another team. If he's a good boss and likes you.
The boredom does kinda suck though. If you can't do something you like as a job you should definitely get some hobbies on the side and hope that satisfies your boredom...
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I want a job so badly that my knee-jerk reaction is to say stay regardless. I don't have any experience with your field or being in the workforce (I graduated at a sad time), so be aware that this is only the first reaction of an inexperienced fellow.
It's a tough situation I'm sure. I hope you maintain the mental fortitude to make a very considered decision that you can be happy with.
EDIT: Good luck.
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Best time to find a better job is when you have one.
Why quit your job if you dont have another lined up? Very common mistake.
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United States4796 Posts
I'd suggest you don't change jobs right now. Be happy with what you have.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
Quick question for you - Is there anyone in management (prefereably your direct boss) that you trust to talk to? If so, I would STRONGLY urge you talk to them about how you feel. If they see you as a very valuable worker, chances are very good they would try to do everything possible to recommend you different positions either in your area, or maybe a different facet of the company (depending on how big it is). Losing tenure can feel like several years down the drain, so if you can find something more suitable with the same company, you'd really want to go for it.
Having said that, you honestly can't put a price tag on happiness. In my short life, I've learned it's not worth the stress/anxiety to go somewhere you hate for 40 hours+ a week. You will resent it in no time, and just be an absolutely miserable person, and that attitude will spill over into your personal life.
My opinion: Talk frankly to your boss about how you feel to see if there are other opportunities. Otherwise, abandon ship. Obviously make sure you can line up something first, it's hard to get a job nowadays. ^_^
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Katowice25012 Posts
On December 26 2009 15:09 Sky101 wrote:
I was in your position once. I walked away, and to date, I still regret that decision so much. If I could go back, I'd just suck it up and stay.
My experience is the exact opposite, from a very similar position.
I had things lined up that I wanted to do however, if you are just quitting to get away surely this isn't the best move.
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Your resume saying School -> 5 years at current job is actually fantastic. Employers know that when they make an investment on you, they'll get a return.
That being said, you obviously need to find another job that would be similar pay/position/work so that you make a sidestep rather than a downgrade.
And that being said, good luck in this economy. You're probably just going to have to suck it up and deal with it.
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Is it the job or the people or both?
If it's just the people that bother you, maybe quit this company and join another company same job?
If you don't like the job itself, then do you know what kind of job you would like to do?
Basically, make a plan before quitting this job.
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United States10341 Posts
I don't need to tell you not to quit until someone else wants to hire you, but in this economy, you'd be really fortunate to find another job. If this recession ever fades, and then you look for better jobs, I think it would look impressive to other employers that you were fully employed during a period of the highest unemployment rate in... a while.
And man, no matter where you work, you'll be surrounded by coworkers that you cannot stand. The grass is not always greener. Hell, it never is.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On December 26 2009 15:09 Sky101 wrote:
I was in your position once. I walked away, and to date, I still regret that decision so much. If I could go back, I'd just suck it up and stay.
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On December 26 2009 15:23 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 15:09 Sky101 wrote:
I was in your position once. I walked away, and to date, I still regret that decision so much. If I could go back, I'd just suck it up and stay.
Complete opposite with me, and other i know. Happy I did it!!
Anyway, if you are an important part of the company and extremely beneficial and bring in revenue for the company they will try to accommodate you and fire the people that you dislike. That does sound like something they wouldnt do but if you are that good they will definitely do it... Example, my work hired a new marketing manager and she increased revenue by 30%, some other lady did not like her but was not as helpful as the new lady so they canned the old one just because they didnt like each other.
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A point I have to make, the place in Australia I live in didn't even see the downturn, there is even a constant joke people will make when you ask them how they are "Mate, waiting for this recession to finally hit us so I can catch up on some work". We have also just had Chevron win a multi billion dollar contract in my state which means oil for the next 100+ years, if anything we are going to have an economic boom in the next 12-18 months.
Getting another job shouldn't be overly difficult, the fear I have is losing established friends and contacts with my current job, the security of knowing the job is going to be there at least for quite a while to come as will promotions and pay increases. I have such small work experience, It feels like I am on some sort of winning ticket that I won't get again anywhere else. I can't figure out whether that is just a mentality I have or fact.
I have a direct boss which is my Sales Manager, he's a champion, we get a long great and I can talk to him about anything, I have a similar situation with the state manager, the problem is that both have said the same thing to me. "You're not going to get along with everyone, just come in, do your job and let them do theres, and please stop snapping at people"
It's a fairly large company, about 16 branches around the country, to be honest I didn't even consider changing locations or positions, it will definitely be something I will look into. I earn just over 68k a year, due to current lifestyle I really couldn't afford a major pay cut.
The job and boredom aren't major issues, I can always move from sales to procurement or engineering and keep myself entertained, I think it might just be a mental loop I keep telling myself to have another justifiable reason to leave.
Unfortunately the people I don't get along with are not so easily expendable, so when an argument breaks out between us all the boss can do is cringe, because he can't afford to upset either side and have them walk out. I am really not happy anymore, and often people have to walk around on egg shells around me, I really don't know when I turned into this person, I use to get along with everyone. It just seems like everyone can see the lazy and incompetent people around the place, but management won't do anything about it, and that is what angers me.
As arrogant as it may sound, if I go into the bosses office on Tuesday and tell him I am not happy and will hand in my resignation. I would probably get a pay rise and a pep talk, but none of the issues would be resolved. I'd just feel all warm and fuzzy for an hour and then be depressed again the following day.
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68k a year and you can't take a pay cut? Are you single? I feel like with that kind of money you should be able to live comfortably and set aside money to fall back on while you look for a new job. Entire families survive on less than that. Maybe get some college in?
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I have a mortgage.
/sadpanda
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What kind of job would you rather do? I'm not sure if this is something you'd consider - but maybe school part time while keeping the current job could allow you to change jobs without too much of a pay cut later on.
Or if the job is not the main issue but the people are - a similar position at a similar company?
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Dude this isnt candy land. Not everyone in the world has some perfect job with perfect co-workers. Its life man. I would think twice before quitting a job during these times. Ride it out. Those people arent going to be there forever. Punch in do ur work punch out and live life.
Man up. u gota skate bro.
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On December 26 2009 15:37 Energies wrote:
Getting another job shouldn't be overly difficult, the fear I have is losing established friends and contacts with my current job, the security of knowing the job is going to be there at least for quite a while to come as will promotions and pay increases. I have such small work experience, It feels like I am on some sort of winning ticket that I won't get again anywhere else. I can't figure out whether that is just a mentality I have or fact.
I think something you need to heavily consider is whether or not leaving bad work relationships at your current job would be worth losing the good ones you have there as well.
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On December 26 2009 15:59 Fixed wrote:
Dude this isnt candy land. Not everyone in the world has some perfect job with perfect co-workers. Its life man. I would think twice before quitting a job during these times. Ride it out. Those people arent going to be there forever. Punch in do ur work punch out and live life.
Man up.
Agreed. There's no guarantee that you would get a better situation even if you are able to land a job with someone else. The people there might be even worse than what you are dealing with right now.
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Yeah, these guys are right. Try and look at the positive side of things...
Engergies Hwaiting!
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If you do end up quitting your job make absoultely sure that you have another job already 100% you have for you. Otherwise don't. But the main point is to be happy/enjoy where you work. Just make sure you got another job for ya before/if you do quit.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
Sounds like you may be kind've a whiney bitch. No offense intended. If anything, I applaud you for admitting you can be snappy with people. ^_^
From the three different companies I've worked for, my experience has been:
The people who are vocal, complain about others not doing their jobs, and don't get along well with others are usually LESS PRODUCTIVE than the people they are complaining about.
Now, that doesn't mean they're inherently lazy or unproductive by natural, but the attitude/mental positioning that comes from having such a negative outlook makes them that way.
I'm in a leadership position in my company, and I've had recent training that can really help with your outlook... the gist of it is, how you approach scenarios, and focusing on personal accountability rather than blame, which is the easy route to take. I'll have to dig the CD out of my car and upload it for you if you're interested... but after your recent post, it sounds like the job and the people there are not the problem, to be perfectly frank.
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I worked in a warehouse once with a bunch of idiots... it was like being in Jr.High again. I quit... I was about 23 making 16$ an hour which I considered pretty good. I had recieved about 3 different upgrades in position.
I quit the job, and I found another one and I'm very happy for it.
You're young and dont doubt your ability to move up quickly again.
The question is always: Are you happy... I'd guess from the tone of the blog youre not.
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ETT, the reason I don't necessarily see myself as the problem, is that I get along perfectly well with 80% of the people in my office, all the clients I deal with seem to like me, and I'm pretty good at my job, there is just a small handful of people who even their sight makes me angry.
I am still in no way less productive due to these issues as you suggest, but I don't go out of my way to do anything I don't have to anymore. I wasn't always like this. I use to be an absolute work horse, working until sun down was not uncommon, and I was working almost every Saturday even though we are not paid for it and it is in no way compulsory.
But doing this day in and day out while others are leaving early, taking huge lunches, never coming in on the weekends, some even getting paid significantly more. It just eats at me man. Unfair is the only way I can put it. How can you continue to bust your ass all day when others around you are coasting. Due to the way my parents brought me up I have a very strong work ethic, so I can't just sit back and decide to also do fuck all because others are. For that reason, every time I am busy or stressed, knowing there is someone around me surfing the net or ready to go home 2 hours early makes me nerd rage.
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Last week I fired 5 people four of whom had been working with me as I rose threw my company during the last five years. Now I am the Owner/Operator/Sales mgr. of the company we started at in under five years , they all were talented and loyal like you but , people burn out over time and get bitchy and negative. Your job is supposed to make you money that is it.
A Job, A Career and a passion are not all required to be the same thing in this world. My passions are raising my son, eating quickly and playing/watching starcraft-poker, my job is to sell shoe cleaner and my career is to own many retail franchises and small peices of real estate as possible to generate large amounts of very liquid capital while maintaining ownership.
Just decide if this job fits along with the dollar curve you want to base your life around and then run with it. That is the only function of 99.9% of jobs in this world so why demand so much more.
If the job makes you hate every waking moment then it is a totally different story. I worked at Jack in the box AND carls jr. and a shit job is a shit job.
(btw I am a ceo and a president of a partnership And a sole prop. and I am still (after taxes) making just over 50k (although I was able to write off almost 20k in cloths/shoes/books/cabrides/plane flights ect) just please man don't ask to much from work. Your on pace to make your first million before 37 aside from stock/assets you may aquire along with the potential for large credit lines due to your crazy stability. Is that enough?
(I know my grammar is terrible but I'm trying to get back to starcraft and I just couldn't believe someone making 70k a year is upset because of losers at work ...)
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On December 26 2009 16:46 Energies wrote:
How can you continue to bust your ass all day when others around you are coasting. Due to the way my parents brought me up I have a very strong work ethic, so I can't just sit back and decide to also do fuck all because others are. For that reason, every time I am busy or stressed, knowing there is someone around me surfing the net or ready to go home 2 hours early makes me nerd rage.
Dude your view on that is wrong. Working harder then others pays now AND later. Seriously man if your a hard worker and they aren't that means you can run them someday ... and that sir is worth all the extra hours =).
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I must say, I do appreciate all the comments and advice. Even if most of them are "harden up princess".
I think I might just need to sit back and reflect on the situation. Mostly I was just after stories of similar scenarios, as I have no idea how to deal with this one.
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Are you in sales?
A bdm with your experience will easily fetch 70K...
Get rid of the people that you don't like if you can.
My old lecturer said to me once, take care of your health and your finance, stuff the rest.
Being so young, I'm assuming that you don't yet have any serious commitments, if you don't have a loan or kids then by all means, jump ship jump ship.
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God, I can't believe all negative advice people are giving you. Obviously it's clear people care more about financial stability nowadays than being happy.
Let me break it down in my eyes. If you're not happy then quit, it's not worth it. As someone mentioned negative aspects in your workplace WILL come over into your personal life and you WON'T BE HAPPY.
I'm a personal believe that your job NEEDS to be your passion. I couldn't imagine spending 40 or more hours a week doing something unless I enjoyed it, even slightly would do.
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pent up your anger inside and become a super-villain. then continue to eliminate those that oppose you.
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You want my advice. In the long run: quit. In the short run, wait for unemployment to die down. Yeah, that might mean being there for another yearish, but at least you will realize you are making the right decision in quitting if you are miserable at that time.
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Sounds like burnout to me. Working weekends without pay?
Also, are you REALLY in a good position to judge whether these other people are producing or not? If they're truly that incompetent the company has to be really big to absorb that liability.
If it really bothers you, at least get another job before you quit. Maybe the regional economy is good there, but even in those conditions it can take months to get a new position. Do you have the savings for that?
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Easy answer just look for a good job while you already have one..If you don't find a job that can support you then you stay until you get promoted and then fire everyone who was pissing you off 
Also the other job that you might find is not guaranteed bliss.
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On December 26 2009 15:23 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 15:09 Sky101 wrote:
I was in your position once. I walked away, and to date, I still regret that decision so much. If I could go back, I'd just suck it up and stay.
Same, except I was lucky enough to get asked back by the same company I left for my new job. I can't say it was a complete waste though, because it gave me a new perspective into my old job, which made me so much more thankful for the things I never saw before.
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Dude, how can you ditch a decent paying job? Think of it like this:
You have just done a 12 Nexus, and now you're considering abandoning your natural, a self-contain if you will, just because you don't like the build order. You'd rather do some 1 base tech, perhaps 1 base DT Drop because you really like DTs. The expansion can wait until you're satisfied.
If you stick with it you'll be in pretty good economic shape, but you are considering changing to something different, which may be more satisfactory to you, but you'll be worse off overall economically. Macro now, save up since you can, and then you'll be able to do whatever you want when you have a comfortable amount of money.
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On December 26 2009 17:00 Energies wrote:
I must say, I do appreciate all the comments and advice. Even if most of them are "harden up princess".
I think I might just need to sit back and reflect on the situation. Mostly I was just after stories of similar scenarios, as I have no idea how to deal with this one.
Around this same time last year, I was experiencing a very similar scenario. I was, as you said, getting fed up with the attitude that management had with my co-workers. Out of 120 employees working at my location, I could think of maybe 20 who sincerely gave a crap about their jobs. The other ones were just there to coast and grab a paycheck for minimal effort. That's fine. I understand some people have that mentality. I wasn't mad at those people. But that's not fine when a company is fighting a worsening economy and has high management expectations. So, those 20 people were the ones who started busting their tails off to make up for the slack. I consistently brought up the fact that people weren't pulling their weight, but management always looked the other way. You know how it is in the political world - connections well make you "unexpendable."
Right around the time I was beginning to get really sick of it, two of my closest friends at that workplace were laid off. They were part of the group whom I considered to bust their tails off. They were the ones in there pulling the 50~60 hours a week with me, calling me at 1am to let me know they finished a report, etc. Well, you get the point. I probably let that affect my emotions too much. It also so happened that around that time, I got a call from a Big Four firm that I had put in an application to a year earlier. I immediately announced my resignation and headed to NYC once my two weeks were up.
To make a long story short, I started work at the Big Four, and in three weeks, I realized that things were very similar, but worse. Much worse. Everything was essentially the same, but amplified. And there were extra grievances to boot. I was miserable, and resigned the following month. To put things in perspective, I didn't even have another job lined up. I just flat out resigned. Luckily, someone from my previous company found out, and asked me to come back.
I did, and now things are much different since I know how to cope with the crap. I guess every company has crap, some more than others. You just have to decide if you can live with it. Or better yet, if you can live with it better than you can with another company's crap.
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Don't complain. Your management is probably full of shortsighted idiots who think that everything is ok - because they managed/designed it ("How can you complain in such a great company???", "I've designed this, thus this is great!") etc. The shitty management guidebooks say that people who complain are unproductive; in fact people who complain are the ones who want to change things; rest of the staff usually are so low motivated/stupid that they simply do not care at all.
If the managers do not see the problems/or dont want to solve them - they will get kicked off when there is any sign of recession/any consultant comes to review the performance and restructure the company. If the management sees the problems - do not complain, if you complain, you might accidentally say something wrong about them - and if they have to choose between you ("That mofo who said that I suck") and some shy sheep - guess who will be chosen?
Just become so needed that you can't never get the boot and do not get any enemies in the company. Most jobs are boring. The non boring jobs are usually very time consuming.
I had very similar problems when I used to work for a French company; basically everything there did not make any sense at all (for example: there were 7 idiots in the central who would have 4hour long conf calls with me [and like 25 other people] in French. I dont speak French. Just like ~8 more people from this group). They recession hit and they fired around 1600 people including all the French idiots. This was so damn funny, they would fire whole retarded departments (which never did their jobs like technical support to some applications which NEVER managed to answer a single of my questions).
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Have you considered going to university? If you have something you're interested in -- biology, mathematics, economics, literature, whatever -- it's probably one of the best things you can do while you're still young. I know I'm enjoying it. I study pure mathematics, just because it's fun and interesting.
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having a good job that pays really well is fucking RARE these days, DO NOT QUIT.
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bah..easy solution man....just join a network marketing company and you'll be financially independent for the rest of your life.
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Personally I'd stay, but it's your job so do w/e you want.
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Bring me in as your HR. I'll clean house and that bitch.
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The way I solved this was by tying my job and my hobby together so they feed each other. The job is software engineer and computer admin and the hobby is graphics programming and personal computer administration(setting up little servers, building my own comptuers, repairing other people's computers).
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