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ppl say LS is shit and apm is shit
but the truth is that both of those things are good but highly over-discussed
however 400 apm is ridiculously much, im happy to maintain 300 apm lategame and im not any worse than LS
using 1 BO is good as long as u can adapt to ur enemy. as long as u have a game structure in ur head "if he do this i do this" all planned out will allow u to improvise less causing u to play really well. this is also my method of gaming but the hard part is to know what bo is best and how do u counter some strategies timings etc, and not to mention be fast (apm)
just like he tells u to get 400 apm vs a comp before start playing real
is just like telling somebody to get hard fingers and learn some chords before trying to learn a song
but then again 400 is extreme, most progamers dont have this AVG apm in a 15+ min game
but as mentioned in replies in this thread, "its better to do the other way around" which is get comfortable with what to do against what, get comfortable with the builds and understand them. then game and as u play u will learn to execute it step by step
well this way works too
the great thing about improving is that there r tons of ways to do it, and u cant tell somebody what they do is bad, cause after all we r all individuals 
if id give u advise to get a high rank, just learn to defend cheese get a strong all-round timing attack and crush ur opponent due to low ranks are easy and cheesy 
but if u wanna get even higher rank, like A rank. ull have to watch pro vods and learn to play in alot more in-deph game thinking and also lets not forget jump around on the screen like a korean nerd^^
edit: sorry if im off-topic here but from my experience and ive known this guy a long time (good guy if u get to know him) anyhow, dont learn from him, dont ask him for advise how to play and dont get inspired by his play. im not saying his bad im just saying if u listen to him too much u will think hes 4 times better than he actually is. and what he actually is is a guy from america who thinks sunkens got 1 armor. just cause u get A rank or w/e doesnt mean you deserve it, take me for an example, i needed 500+ games to get A- this season and last season i had A- with less than 10 losses. yes that is how ridiculous difference it is between korean and foreigner ladder
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On November 21 2009 09:03 disco wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 08:52 Pokebunny wrote:
Holy shit, iajtls is indeed lastshadow. Whatever you do, DO NOT BEFRIEND THIS FAGGOT. Well someone doesn't like LS..
Uhm well he map rigged for a while competitively and tried to make himself out to be some e-famous figure... he always self-promoted and never got a better attitude and is still a cocky annoying kid.
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On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way. Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid. Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"
anyone else think that this thread was made to promote lastshadow. i thought we were past this.
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On November 21 2009 09:43 Myxomatosis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way. Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid. Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu" anyone else think that this thread was made to promote lastshadow. i thought we were past this.
I'm starting to think so too, when LS gets called Gosu twice in one thread you know something's wrong.
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In all honesty, if you can maintain ~200, you're perfectly fine until you hit progamer level.
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Not to disagree with the common wisdom of everyone in this thread, but having high APM, even if it's mostly spam, will make you much much better. You'll find you're macro improves considerably and you're multi tasking and general reaction time is much higher.
Just saying what worked with me. I made a significant effort a month or two ago when I started playing in earnest to raise my apm from 250 to 350ish and it paid off immensely.
Best way I found of increasing it was one of two exercises. 1a2a3a4a5a1a2a3a4a5a1a2a3a 4a5a1a2a3a4a5a1a2a3a4a5a1a2a3a4a5a until you're blue in the face is good. Also try making single player games and spamming like crazy or loading replays with the hotkey selector thing in chaos launcher and play along with the replay. Again, makes you feel stupid and well...it is. But its a good way of focusing purely on hand speed and paying attention to the minimap.
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On November 21 2009 09:10 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 08:35 Suc wrote:On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play. I agree with grobo, this does not seem like very good adivce. If you want to improve, do not focus on your apm, as you get better IT WILL INCREASE ON ITS OWN. This is the case, just practise builds and timings and watch VODs in a "learning mindset" (see chill's guide on improving). Focussing on purely increasing your apm when you have a game knowledge that could be greatly improved will most likely be detrimental to your overall gameplay. Its not bad advice at ALL. Nony was the first one to say this long ago. Sure you can naturally increase APM as you play, but what im talking about is eventually you will hit a speed where unless you ACTIVELY try to get faster, you will stay at that speed. 120APM is slow...so yeah naturally a person will reach this speed, however in order to multitask properly at a decent level, you need to be closer to 200. In order to accomplish this, you have to sit down and practice playing that fast. What you are assuming is that I want him to focus on spamming his controls while his gameplay suffers, but in reality what I am basically saying is that once he knows his build orders and timings, he should actively work on being faster. Not just spamming 123123123123, but doing EVERYTHING he does.....just faster. What is soo wrong about that? How is that bad advice?
Oh okay, I guess I just misunderstood your point. I thought you meant that he should focus on getting ridiculously fast through spamming and useless actions.
Now that I understand your point, i.e. he should actively try to be faster with his build and complete things faster, I do agree. This is what I was trying to get across before.
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On November 21 2009 09:43 Myxomatosis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way. Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid. Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu" anyone else think that this thread was made to promote lastshadow. i thought we were past this.
I didn't even know when i made the thread that iajtls was LS...
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if your apm falls below 9000 at any point in the game, you are screwed, try to practise to maintain you apm over nine thousand!
if seriously, dont try to force apm rise by spam, it will rise itself. If you got 250ish it's pretty good since most of progamers have 250-300. I'm not talking about july, nada, bisu or jaedong for the obvious reasons.
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damn i was gonna say
"u mean APM?"
but you actually did mean it T_T
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Well... you see, the problem here is you're letting your voltage get too high, and sacrificing voltage and amps. The trick will be to use a transformer to low the voltage so you can increase the amps to about 400 again.
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On November 21 2009 10:03 Suc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 09:10 eXigent. wrote:On November 21 2009 08:35 Suc wrote:On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play. I agree with grobo, this does not seem like very good adivce. If you want to improve, do not focus on your apm, as you get better IT WILL INCREASE ON ITS OWN. This is the case, just practise builds and timings and watch VODs in a "learning mindset" (see chill's guide on improving). Focussing on purely increasing your apm when you have a game knowledge that could be greatly improved will most likely be detrimental to your overall gameplay. Its not bad advice at ALL. Nony was the first one to say this long ago. Sure you can naturally increase APM as you play, but what im talking about is eventually you will hit a speed where unless you ACTIVELY try to get faster, you will stay at that speed. 120APM is slow...so yeah naturally a person will reach this speed, however in order to multitask properly at a decent level, you need to be closer to 200. In order to accomplish this, you have to sit down and practice playing that fast. What you are assuming is that I want him to focus on spamming his controls while his gameplay suffers, but in reality what I am basically saying is that once he knows his build orders and timings, he should actively work on being faster. Not just spamming 123123123123, but doing EVERYTHING he does.....just faster. What is soo wrong about that? How is that bad advice? Oh okay, I guess I just misunderstood your point. I thought you meant that he should focus on getting ridiculously fast through spamming and useless actions. Now that I understand your point, i.e. he should actively try to be faster with his build and complete things faster, I do agree. This is what I was trying to get across before.
ah ok cool. Well I apologize if I came off too strong. Cheers
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United States43188 Posts
On November 21 2009 12:04 vRoOk wrote:
just got 270.. : /
Just got 120.
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Alot of people are forgetting the fact that APM equates to more than just hand speed. In order to have good macro, you need FAST HANDS. Watch a few streams, and you will see that all of the players are 200+APM, you need this in order to continually multitask...which is a HUGE PART OF THE GAME. Ignore the people that are saying APM is useless. Sure 400APM is unrealistic and pretty useless for a player of your caliber, but you certainly should try and maintain 190-220 APM while playing. This is not too fast that you can't think straight, but its also fast enough to allow you to multitask properly.
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.
totally right my buddy
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