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So a few days ago i decided for the first time in a year and a half that I wanted to play starcraft seriously and actually get good at the game and achieve a high rank on iccup.
I met a known gosu player named iajtls who plays occasionally with some EG. players such as Louder and an occasional game with Ret. But he defiantly knows his stuff. Iajtls said that he recommended learning one build order and practicing over and over and over until I got it perfect well I've done that.. with the 9 minute push TvZ build.
His second piece of advice was that my apm was too low and id have to raise it.. he stated the best way to do this was to do that same build order with APM count on and make my APM stay over 400 even if i played like a D- noobie.
So I've been doing that for two days about 3 hours a day. The problem is i can can maintain the 400 apm until about eh 4 minute mark where it falls to about 340 and then by the 9 minute push its down at about 220.
How can I keep my apm from falling?
Note: Even if I mange to get a 400 apm against the computer I know I wont have 400 apm in a real game. The purpose of this is just to get my hands used to moving at a high level.
edit: and i just made my self look retarded by spelling APM wrong in the title lol.. ):
 
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you can keep your apm from falling if you actually spend it on worthwhile things
chances are, you mostly spent it on spamming the command center and SCVs, and past four minutes, you're busy with doing things that actually count (not spamming), and you stop spamming on the CC/SCV's and thats how it falls below
you have to know what you're doing, and don't ever let spamming APM distract you
just watch some pro FPVOD's, and you'll get the idea
*inb4 "APM doesn't count" *
edit: also, i think this should be in the strategy forum
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Uh well first of all, what rank are you?
And second of all, most pro gamers dont have 400 apm. I think if you can maintain a 200+ apm throughout a long game, you are golden. Keep doing what your doing, practice the same build and try to keep up your actions, just don't focus entirely upon it.
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Stop worrying about apm, Just think about the game and what needs to be done in it. I suggest doing that rather than focusing on spamming your probe hotkeys
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delete bwchart or whatever you are using to check your apm and start to play starcraft instead of pointlessly hitting keyboard keys
focus on the game instead of on speed, speed and multitasking will come with experience
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Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.
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I actually think his method is sound. I remember blueiris had a thread saying to do the exact same thing. Just keep doing what you are doing.
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On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.
Is he? I don't know if he is or not.
It sounded like good advice to me.
Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?
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On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit. Is he? I don't know if he is or not. It sounded like good advice to me. Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?
The reason why your APM drops when you do those things is because you spam all the time whenever you are not making units, getting upgrades, grouping units.
But honestly, wouldn't you rather be able to win games by outplaying your opponent, by successfully killing him with a flawless timing attack or by reaching 200/200 at the 14min mark? You don't win games by having higher APM than your opponent.
APM = Shit, Testie was raping pro's left and right with his 120-140apm.
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On November 21 2009 07:08 Nal_rAwr wrote:
you can keep your apm from falling if you actually spend it on worthwhile things
chances are, you mostly spent it on spamming the command center and SCVs, and past four minutes, you're busy with doing things that actually count (not spamming), and you stop spamming on the CC/SCV's and thats how it falls below
you have to know what you're doing, and don't ever let spamming APM distract you
just watch some pro FPVOD's, and you'll get the idea
*inb4 "APM doesn't count" *
edit: also, i think this should be in the strategy forum
It's actually halfway decent advice. There was a thread a while ago about playing games vs the computer doing the same build order and forcing yourself to keep your apm over 200-300 even if its just spam, in order to get your hands used to the speed. I never did it but I see how it could help.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56230
This was the thread by the way.
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On November 21 2009 07:22 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit. Is he? I don't know if he is or not. It sounded like good advice to me. Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up? The reason why your APM drops when you do those things is because you spam all the time whenever you are not making units, getting upgrades, grouping units. But honestly, wouldn't you rather be able to win games by outplaying your opponent, by successfully killing him with a flawless timing attack or by reaching 200/200 at the 14min mark? You don't win games by having higher APM than your opponent. APM = Shit, Testie was raping pro's left and right with his 120-140apm. Low APM can be overcome when you have incredible game knowledge. But saying APM doesn't matter for newer players is just wrong.
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On November 21 2009 07:23 sixghost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:08 Nal_rAwr wrote:
you can keep your apm from falling if you actually spend it on worthwhile things
chances are, you mostly spent it on spamming the command center and SCVs, and past four minutes, you're busy with doing things that actually count (not spamming), and you stop spamming on the CC/SCV's and thats how it falls below
you have to know what you're doing, and don't ever let spamming APM distract you
just watch some pro FPVOD's, and you'll get the idea
*inb4 "APM doesn't count" *
edit: also, i think this should be in the strategy forum It's actually halfway decent advice. There was a thread a while ago about playing games vs the computer doing the same build order and forcing yourself to keep your apm over 200-300 even if its just spam, in order to get your hands used to the speed. I never did it but I see how it could help. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56230This was the thread by the way.
It doesn't matter if your hands get used to the speed, if your mind can't keep up you'll get slaughtered, the best advice is to just play the game and practice build orders and certain timings, the better you get at those things the faster your overall playing gets.
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On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit. Is he? I don't know if he is or not. It sounded like good advice to me. Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?
do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm?
theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed
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On November 21 2009 07:26 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:23 sixghost wrote:On November 21 2009 07:08 Nal_rAwr wrote:
you can keep your apm from falling if you actually spend it on worthwhile things
chances are, you mostly spent it on spamming the command center and SCVs, and past four minutes, you're busy with doing things that actually count (not spamming), and you stop spamming on the CC/SCV's and thats how it falls below
you have to know what you're doing, and don't ever let spamming APM distract you
just watch some pro FPVOD's, and you'll get the idea
*inb4 "APM doesn't count" *
edit: also, i think this should be in the strategy forum It's actually halfway decent advice. There was a thread a while ago about playing games vs the computer doing the same build order and forcing yourself to keep your apm over 200-300 even if its just spam, in order to get your hands used to the speed. I never did it but I see how it could help. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56230This was the thread by the way. It doesn't matter if your hands get used to the speed, if your mind can't keep up you'll get slaughtered, the best advice is to just play the game and practice build orders and certain timings, the better you get at those things the faster your overall playing gets.
In alot of circumstances newer players minds arent what are slowing them down toward the end game. How could getting your hands used to 200 apm speed hurt in any way? I'm not suggesting it as a replacement for learning builds, timings, and all the basics of SC, but in addition to those things.
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On November 21 2009 07:27 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit. Is he? I don't know if he is or not. It sounded like good advice to me. Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up? do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm? theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed
Yeah I was hoping for some kind of advice.
Perhaps i should find a different more complicated build order that requires more than just macroing that would have me move units around the map while macroing?
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lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way.
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On November 21 2009 07:33 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:27 Itachii wrote:On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit. Is he? I don't know if he is or not. It sounded like good advice to me. Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up? do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm? theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed Yeah I was hoping for some kind of advice. Perhaps i should find a different more complicated build order that requires more than just macroing that would have me move units around the map while macroing?
I already posted an entire 220+ post thread talking about this topic for you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56230
If you just want to practice against the computer, just do a normal build order and practing scouting, proper building position, constant scv production, unit movement, etc. That alone will keep you above 200 apm.
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Training your hands to move that fast is a really useful skill. LS preaches it all the time, load up a single player game and start spamming your face off getting used to flying through hotkeys and clicking at speeds that seem unrealistic to you. Eventually you will begin to notice things come naturally at faster speeds and it will improve your gameplay.
Also for improving mouse/hand dexterity and helping raise your apms I highly recommend playing osu! great game yo.
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On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way.
Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid.
Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"
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