• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:13
CEST 12:13
KST 19:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [ASL19] Grand Finals NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 28688 users

400 AMP Help?

Blogs > vRoOk
Post a Reply
Normal
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 22:05:38
November 20 2009 22:04 GMT
#1
So a few days ago i decided for the first time in a year and a half that I wanted to play starcraft seriously and actually get good at the game and achieve a high rank on iccup.

I met a known gosu player named iajtls who plays occasionally with some EG. players such as Louder and an occasional game with Ret. But he defiantly knows his stuff. Iajtls said that he recommended learning one build order and practicing over and over and over until I got it perfect well I've done that.. with the 9 minute push TvZ build.

His second piece of advice was that my apm was too low and id have to raise it.. he stated the best way to do this was to do that same build order with APM count on and make my APM stay over 400 even if i played like a D- noobie.

So I've been doing that for two days about 3 hours a day. The problem is i can can maintain the 400 apm until about eh 4 minute mark where it falls to about 340 and then by the 9 minute push its down at about 220.

How can I keep my apm from falling?

Note: Even if I mange to get a 400 apm against the computer I know I wont have 400 apm in a real game. The purpose of this is just to get my hands used to moving at a high level.

edit: and i just made my self look retarded by spelling APM wrong in the title lol.. ):

**
Breaking Bad
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 22:10:54
November 20 2009 22:08 GMT
#2
you can keep your apm from falling if you actually spend it on worthwhile things

chances are, you mostly spent it on spamming the command center and SCVs, and past four minutes, you're busy with doing things that actually count (not spamming), and you stop spamming on the CC/SCV's and thats how it falls below

you have to know what you're doing, and don't ever let spamming APM distract you
just watch some pro FPVOD's, and you'll get the idea


*inb4 "APM doesn't count" *

edit: also, i think this should be in the strategy forum
Nony is Bonjwa
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
November 20 2009 22:09 GMT
#3
Uh well first of all, what rank are you?

And second of all, most pro gamers dont have 400 apm. I think if you can maintain a 200+ apm throughout a long game, you are golden. Keep doing what your doing, practice the same build and try to keep up your actions, just don't focus entirely upon it.
SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
November 20 2009 22:10 GMT
#4
Stop worrying about apm, Just think about the game and what needs to be done in it. I suggest doing that rather than focusing on spamming your probe hotkeys
베이비 폭스 WeMade 파이팅! ~ WeMade 팬 ~ BaBy 팬 ~ щ(゚Д゚щ) Gee Gee Gee Gee BaBy BaBy BaBy ♫♫
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 22:13:41
November 20 2009 22:10 GMT
#5
delete bwchart or whatever you are using to check your apm and start to play starcraft instead of pointlessly hitting keyboard keys
focus on the game instead of on speed, speed and multitasking will come with experience
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
November 20 2009 22:11 GMT
#6
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.
We make signature, then defense it.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
November 20 2009 22:15 GMT
#7
I actually think his method is sound. I remember blueiris had a thread saying to do the exact same thing. Just keep doing what you are doing.
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
November 20 2009 22:16 GMT
#8
On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.


Is he? I don't know if he is or not.

It sounded like good advice to me.

Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?
Breaking Bad
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
November 20 2009 22:18 GMT
#9
iajtls is LS.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
November 20 2009 22:22 GMT
#10
On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.


Is he? I don't know if he is or not.

It sounded like good advice to me.

Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?


The reason why your APM drops when you do those things is because you spam all the time whenever you are not making units, getting upgrades, grouping units.

But honestly, wouldn't you rather be able to win games by outplaying your opponent, by successfully killing him with a flawless timing attack or by reaching 200/200 at the 14min mark? You don't win games by having higher APM than your opponent.

APM = Shit, Testie was raping pro's left and right with his 120-140apm.
We make signature, then defense it.
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
November 20 2009 22:23 GMT
#11
On November 21 2009 07:08 Nal_rAwr wrote:
you can keep your apm from falling if you actually spend it on worthwhile things

chances are, you mostly spent it on spamming the command center and SCVs, and past four minutes, you're busy with doing things that actually count (not spamming), and you stop spamming on the CC/SCV's and thats how it falls below

you have to know what you're doing, and don't ever let spamming APM distract you
just watch some pro FPVOD's, and you'll get the idea


*inb4 "APM doesn't count" *

edit: also, i think this should be in the strategy forum

It's actually halfway decent advice. There was a thread a while ago about playing games vs the computer doing the same build order and forcing yourself to keep your apm over 200-300 even if its just spam, in order to get your hands used to the speed. I never did it but I see how it could help.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56230

This was the thread by the way.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
November 20 2009 22:24 GMT
#12
On November 21 2009 07:22 grobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.


Is he? I don't know if he is or not.

It sounded like good advice to me.

Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?


The reason why your APM drops when you do those things is because you spam all the time whenever you are not making units, getting upgrades, grouping units.

But honestly, wouldn't you rather be able to win games by outplaying your opponent, by successfully killing him with a flawless timing attack or by reaching 200/200 at the 14min mark? You don't win games by having higher APM than your opponent.

APM = Shit, Testie was raping pro's left and right with his 120-140apm.
Low APM can be overcome when you have incredible game knowledge. But saying APM doesn't matter for newer players is just wrong.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
November 20 2009 22:26 GMT
#13
On November 21 2009 07:23 sixghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:08 Nal_rAwr wrote:
you can keep your apm from falling if you actually spend it on worthwhile things

chances are, you mostly spent it on spamming the command center and SCVs, and past four minutes, you're busy with doing things that actually count (not spamming), and you stop spamming on the CC/SCV's and thats how it falls below

you have to know what you're doing, and don't ever let spamming APM distract you
just watch some pro FPVOD's, and you'll get the idea


*inb4 "APM doesn't count" *

edit: also, i think this should be in the strategy forum

It's actually halfway decent advice. There was a thread a while ago about playing games vs the computer doing the same build order and forcing yourself to keep your apm over 200-300 even if its just spam, in order to get your hands used to the speed. I never did it but I see how it could help.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56230

This was the thread by the way.


It doesn't matter if your hands get used to the speed, if your mind can't keep up you'll get slaughtered, the best advice is to just play the game and practice build orders and certain timings, the better you get at those things the faster your overall playing gets.
We make signature, then defense it.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 22:29:18
November 20 2009 22:27 GMT
#14
On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.


Is he? I don't know if he is or not.

It sounded like good advice to me.

Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?

do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm?
theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 22:34:27
November 20 2009 22:33 GMT
#15
On November 21 2009 07:26 grobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:23 sixghost wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:08 Nal_rAwr wrote:
you can keep your apm from falling if you actually spend it on worthwhile things

chances are, you mostly spent it on spamming the command center and SCVs, and past four minutes, you're busy with doing things that actually count (not spamming), and you stop spamming on the CC/SCV's and thats how it falls below

you have to know what you're doing, and don't ever let spamming APM distract you
just watch some pro FPVOD's, and you'll get the idea


*inb4 "APM doesn't count" *

edit: also, i think this should be in the strategy forum

It's actually halfway decent advice. There was a thread a while ago about playing games vs the computer doing the same build order and forcing yourself to keep your apm over 200-300 even if its just spam, in order to get your hands used to the speed. I never did it but I see how it could help.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56230

This was the thread by the way.


It doesn't matter if your hands get used to the speed, if your mind can't keep up you'll get slaughtered, the best advice is to just play the game and practice build orders and certain timings, the better you get at those things the faster your overall playing gets.

In alot of circumstances newer players minds arent what are slowing them down toward the end game. How could getting your hands used to 200 apm speed hurt in any way? I'm not suggesting it as a replacement for learning builds, timings, and all the basics of SC, but in addition to those things.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
November 20 2009 22:33 GMT
#16
On November 21 2009 07:27 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.


Is he? I don't know if he is or not.

It sounded like good advice to me.

Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?

do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm?
theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed


Yeah I was hoping for some kind of advice.

Perhaps i should find a different more complicated build order that requires more than just macroing that would have me move units around the map while macroing?
Breaking Bad
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
November 20 2009 22:36 GMT
#17
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way.
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
November 20 2009 22:36 GMT
#18
On November 21 2009 07:33 vRoOk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:27 Itachii wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.


Is he? I don't know if he is or not.

It sounded like good advice to me.

Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?

do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm?
theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed


Yeah I was hoping for some kind of advice.

Perhaps i should find a different more complicated build order that requires more than just macroing that would have me move units around the map while macroing?

I already posted an entire 220+ post thread talking about this topic for you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56230

If you just want to practice against the computer, just do a normal build order and practing scouting, proper building position, constant scv production, unit movement, etc. That alone will keep you above 200 apm.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
November 20 2009 22:38 GMT
#19
Training your hands to move that fast is a really useful skill. LS preaches it all the time, load up a single player game and start spamming your face off getting used to flying through hotkeys and clicking at speeds that seem unrealistic to you. Eventually you will begin to notice things come naturally at faster speeds and it will improve your gameplay.

Also for improving mouse/hand dexterity and helping raise your apms I highly recommend playing osu! great game yo.

vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
November 20 2009 22:39 GMT
#20
On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way.


Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid.

Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"
Breaking Bad
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 22:42:13
November 20 2009 22:40 GMT
#21
On November 21 2009 07:33 vRoOk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:27 Itachii wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.


Is he? I don't know if he is or not.

It sounded like good advice to me.

Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?

do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm?
theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed


Yeah I was hoping for some kind of advice.

Perhaps i should find a different more complicated build order that requires more than just macroing that would have me move units around the map while macroing?

as i said, keep playing.late game tvz (vs decent zergs of course)should give you good speed training if you really want some kind of it
edit:considering that you know what to do in it, of course^^
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
1984
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Ukraine115 Posts
November 20 2009 22:40 GMT
#22
May be that guy was just joking?
Oglop
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada36 Posts
November 20 2009 22:44 GMT
#23
Try practicing a build that's very APM demanding. When i started playing zerg i would go for 3 hatch muta all the time even though i couldn't handle all the multi-task. Needless to say, i lost alot, but now it's the easiest thing in the world.
<Insert clever quote>
Gyabo
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States329 Posts
November 20 2009 22:52 GMT
#24
On November 21 2009 07:04 vRoOk wrote:
Iajtls said that he recommended learning one build order and practicing over and over and over until I got it perfect

Haven't I been telling you this for months? Aw well, not like I'm some gosu you should take a lot of advice from.

Gl on destroying zergs in 9 mins. Try it on me sometime.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 20 2009 22:54 GMT
#25
On November 21 2009 07:24 sixghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:22 grobo wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.


Is he? I don't know if he is or not.

It sounded like good advice to me.

Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?


The reason why your APM drops when you do those things is because you spam all the time whenever you are not making units, getting upgrades, grouping units.

But honestly, wouldn't you rather be able to win games by outplaying your opponent, by successfully killing him with a flawless timing attack or by reaching 200/200 at the 14min mark? You don't win games by having higher APM than your opponent.

APM = Shit, Testie was raping pro's left and right with his 120-140apm.
Low APM can be overcome when you have incredible game knowledge. But saying APM doesn't matter for newer players is just wrong.

But it is the least important thing a new player needs to worry about.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
November 20 2009 22:55 GMT
#26
On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way.


Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid.

Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"


Trust me, the better approach would be first to play a lot and get comfortable with the builds and timings and then move on to increasing your speed, not the other way around.
We make signature, then defense it.
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 22:58:51
November 20 2009 22:56 GMT
#27
On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:
Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid.

Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"


1) i dont know any top foreigner with 400APM (only fenix maybe with like ~370APM in most reps)
2) if u just even dont know bos, u just lack in too many things and APM is your smallest problem
3) after u fixed every other problem your apm will raise itself
4) sure u can train to get higher apm but for what? to get better mechanics? if u just focus on your game your mechanics will get better and your apm will raise. sounds more logical for me.
5) why dont u just ask LS? i think he can give you the best advice how to get higher apm since apm is very important for him.
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
November 20 2009 23:09 GMT
#28
I think that as long as you can maintain ~120apm without spamming, there's not a lot of point in being faster until you're good with your strategies. If you can do that, APM won't be a limiting factor until you're well into the B ranks.

I just don't see the point in a sub C player worrying about having +200 APM because there are so many other holes in your game that APM is far from your biggest problem.

What exactly is your rank?
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
November 20 2009 23:14 GMT
#29
Alot of people are forgetting the fact that APM equates to more than just hand speed. In order to have good macro, you need FAST HANDS. Watch a few streams, and you will see that all of the players are 200+APM, you need this in order to continually multitask...which is a HUGE PART OF THE GAME. Ignore the people that are saying APM is useless. Sure 400APM is unrealistic and pretty useless for a player of your caliber, but you certainly should try and maintain 190-220 APM while playing. This is not too fast that you can't think straight, but its also fast enough to allow you to multitask properly.

Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
November 20 2009 23:19 GMT
#30
On November 21 2009 08:09 Biochemist wrote:
I think that as long as you can maintain ~120apm without spamming, there's not a lot of point in being faster until you're good with your strategies. If you can do that, APM won't be a limiting factor until you're well into the B ranks.

I just don't see the point in a sub C player worrying about having +200 APM because there are so many other holes in your game that APM is far from your biggest problem.

What exactly is your rank?


My rank is C- about
Breaking Bad
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
November 20 2009 23:24 GMT
#31
On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.


I strongly disagree with this.

I never even had BWChart up until a year ago, and i loaded up my old reps from when i just started playing and i was at ~40apm, and these days i'm at ~160apm without ever so much as thinking about my APM when i was playing.

APM comes with your overall knowledge of the game, period.
We make signature, then defense it.
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 23:30:28
November 20 2009 23:29 GMT
#32
On November 21 2009 07:33 vRoOk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:27 Itachii wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?

And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.

I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit.


Is he? I don't know if he is or not.

It sounded like good advice to me.

Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up?

do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm?
theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed


Yeah I was hoping for some kind of advice.

Perhaps i should find a different more complicated build order that requires more than just macroing that would have me move units around the map while macroing?

Always sair/reaver pvz, you'll notice everything improve.
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
November 20 2009 23:30 GMT
#33
On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Alot of people are forgetting the fact that APM equates to more than just hand speed. In order to have good macro, you need FAST HANDS. Watch a few streams, and you will see that all of the players are 200+APM, you need this in order to continually multitask...which is a HUGE PART OF THE GAME. Ignore the people that are saying APM is useless. Sure 400APM is unrealistic and pretty useless for a player of your caliber, but you certainly should try and maintain 190-220 APM while playing. This is not too fast that you can't think straight, but its also fast enough to allow you to multitask properly.

Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.


u know why most newbs are slow? cause they watch the battles and dont use hotkeys. if they would just remember to focus on there macro and keep buildings probes + units they would get like +50 APM. sure you need apm to micro/macro good but you will learn mechanics only by playing and focusing on it not by focusing on getting higher apm.

did any one wrote that apm isnt important?
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
November 20 2009 23:35 GMT
#34
On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.

I agree with grobo, this does not seem like very good adivce. If you want to improve, do not focus on your apm, as you get better IT WILL INCREASE ON ITS OWN.

This is the case, just practise builds and timings and watch VODs in a "learning mindset" (see chill's guide on improving). Focussing on purely increasing your apm when you have a game knowledge that could be greatly improved will most likely be detrimental to your overall gameplay.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 20 2009 23:52 GMT
#35
Holy shit, iajtls is indeed lastshadow. Whatever you do, DO NOT BEFRIEND THIS FAGGOT.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
November 21 2009 00:03 GMT
#36
On November 21 2009 08:52 Pokebunny wrote:
Holy shit, iajtls is indeed lastshadow. Whatever you do, DO NOT BEFRIEND THIS FAGGOT.

Well someone doesn't like LS..
this game is a fucking jokie
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42431 Posts
November 21 2009 00:05 GMT
#37
If I didn't know LS to be an idiot I would say he was just trolling you for lulz. But I do know that so whatever, you're still wasting your time.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
November 21 2009 00:10 GMT
#38
On November 21 2009 08:35 Suc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.

I agree with grobo, this does not seem like very good adivce. If you want to improve, do not focus on your apm, as you get better IT WILL INCREASE ON ITS OWN.

This is the case, just practise builds and timings and watch VODs in a "learning mindset" (see chill's guide on improving). Focussing on purely increasing your apm when you have a game knowledge that could be greatly improved will most likely be detrimental to your overall gameplay.



Its not bad advice at ALL. Nony was the first one to say this long ago. Sure you can naturally increase APM as you play, but what im talking about is eventually you will hit a speed where unless you ACTIVELY try to get faster, you will stay at that speed. 120APM is slow...so yeah naturally a person will reach this speed, however in order to multitask properly at a decent level, you need to be closer to 200. In order to accomplish this, you have to sit down and practice playing that fast.

What you are assuming is that I want him to focus on spamming his controls while his gameplay suffers, but in reality what I am basically saying is that once he knows his build orders and timings, he should actively work on being faster. Not just spamming 123123123123, but doing EVERYTHING he does.....just faster. What is soo wrong about that? How is that bad advice?
wok
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States504 Posts
November 21 2009 00:11 GMT
#39
I thought you were talking about like starting a rock band and your amplifier wasn't working... Instead it's an apm thread. Bye.
I'll race you to defeatism... you win.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-21 00:12:41
November 21 2009 00:11 GMT
#40
Practicing exactly one build over and over = good
Spamming 400 apm for the sake of it = lolno
You'll find things to do with apm, and it will keep going up as long as you take an active approach to practicing.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-21 00:16:51
November 21 2009 00:12 GMT
#41
ppl say LS is shit and apm is shit

but the truth is that both of those things are good but highly over-discussed

however 400 apm is ridiculously much, im happy to maintain 300 apm lategame and im not any worse than LS

using 1 BO is good as long as u can adapt to ur enemy. as long as u have a game structure in ur head "if he do this i do this" all planned out will allow u to improvise less causing u to play really well. this is also my method of gaming but the hard part is to know what bo is best and how do u counter some strategies timings etc, and not to mention be fast (apm)

just like he tells u to get 400 apm vs a comp before start playing real

is just like telling somebody to get hard fingers and learn some chords before trying to learn a song

but then again 400 is extreme, most progamers dont have this AVG apm in a 15+ min game

but as mentioned in replies in this thread, "its better to do the other way around" which is get comfortable with what to do against what, get comfortable with the builds and understand them. then game and as u play u will learn to execute it step by step

well this way works too

the great thing about improving is that there r tons of ways to do it, and u cant tell somebody what they do is bad, cause after all we r all individuals

if id give u advise to get a high rank, just learn to defend cheese get a strong all-round timing attack and crush ur opponent due to low ranks are easy and cheesy

but if u wanna get even higher rank, like A rank. ull have to watch pro vods and learn to play in alot more in-deph game thinking and also lets not forget jump around on the screen like a korean nerd^^

edit: sorry if im off-topic here but from my experience and ive known this guy a long time (good guy if u get to know him) anyhow, dont learn from him, dont ask him for advise how to play and dont get inspired by his play. im not saying his bad im just saying if u listen to him too much u will think hes 4 times better than he actually is. and what he actually is is a guy from america who thinks sunkens got 1 armor. just cause u get A rank or w/e doesnt mean you deserve it, take me for an example, i needed 500+ games to get A- this season and last season i had A- with less than 10 losses. yes that is how ridiculous difference it is between korean and foreigner ladder
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 21 2009 00:16 GMT
#42
On November 21 2009 09:03 disco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 08:52 Pokebunny wrote:
Holy shit, iajtls is indeed lastshadow. Whatever you do, DO NOT BEFRIEND THIS FAGGOT.

Well someone doesn't like LS..

Uhm well he map rigged for a while competitively and tried to make himself out to be some e-famous figure... he always self-promoted and never got a better attitude and is still a cocky annoying kid.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
November 21 2009 00:43 GMT
#43
On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way.


Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid.

Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"

anyone else think that this thread was made to promote lastshadow. i thought we were past this.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
November 21 2009 00:45 GMT
#44
On November 21 2009 09:43 Myxomatosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way.


Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid.

Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"

anyone else think that this thread was made to promote lastshadow. i thought we were past this.


I'm starting to think so too, when LS gets called Gosu twice in one thread you know something's wrong.
We make signature, then defense it.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
November 21 2009 01:00 GMT
#45
In all honesty, if you can maintain ~200, you're perfectly fine until you hit progamer level.

-_-
Hello
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
November 21 2009 01:00 GMT
#46
Not to disagree with the common wisdom of everyone in this thread, but having high APM, even if it's mostly spam, will make you much much better. You'll find you're macro improves considerably and you're multi tasking and general reaction time is much higher.

Just saying what worked with me. I made a significant effort a month or two ago when I started playing in earnest to raise my apm from 250 to 350ish and it paid off immensely.

Best way I found of increasing it was one of two exercises. 1a2a3a4a5a1a2a3a4a5a1a2a3a 4a5a1a2a3a4a5a1a2a3a4a5a1a2a3a4a5a until you're blue in the face is good. Also try making single player games and spamming like crazy or loading replays with the hotkey selector thing in chaos launcher and play along with the replay. Again, makes you feel stupid and well...it is. But its a good way of focusing purely on hand speed and paying attention to the minimap.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
November 21 2009 01:03 GMT
#47
On November 21 2009 09:10 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 08:35 Suc wrote:
On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.

I agree with grobo, this does not seem like very good adivce. If you want to improve, do not focus on your apm, as you get better IT WILL INCREASE ON ITS OWN.

This is the case, just practise builds and timings and watch VODs in a "learning mindset" (see chill's guide on improving). Focussing on purely increasing your apm when you have a game knowledge that could be greatly improved will most likely be detrimental to your overall gameplay.



Its not bad advice at ALL. Nony was the first one to say this long ago. Sure you can naturally increase APM as you play, but what im talking about is eventually you will hit a speed where unless you ACTIVELY try to get faster, you will stay at that speed. 120APM is slow...so yeah naturally a person will reach this speed, however in order to multitask properly at a decent level, you need to be closer to 200. In order to accomplish this, you have to sit down and practice playing that fast.

What you are assuming is that I want him to focus on spamming his controls while his gameplay suffers, but in reality what I am basically saying is that once he knows his build orders and timings, he should actively work on being faster. Not just spamming 123123123123, but doing EVERYTHING he does.....just faster. What is soo wrong about that? How is that bad advice?

Oh okay, I guess I just misunderstood your point. I thought you meant that he should focus on getting ridiculously fast through spamming and useless actions.

Now that I understand your point, i.e. he should actively try to be faster with his build and complete things faster, I do agree. This is what I was trying to get across before.
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
November 21 2009 01:09 GMT
#48
On November 21 2009 09:43 Myxomatosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:
On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way.


Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid.

Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"

anyone else think that this thread was made to promote lastshadow. i thought we were past this.


I didn't even know when i made the thread that iajtls was LS...
Breaking Bad
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
November 21 2009 01:13 GMT
#49
if your apm falls below 9000 at any point in the game, you are screwed, try to practise to maintain you apm over nine thousand!

if seriously, dont try to force apm rise by spam, it will rise itself. If you got 250ish it's pretty good since most of progamers have 250-300. I'm not talking about july, nada, bisu or jaedong for the obvious reasons.
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
November 21 2009 01:26 GMT
#50
damn i was gonna say
"u mean APM?"
but you actually did mean it T_T
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 21 2009 01:59 GMT
#51
Well... you see, the problem here is you're letting your voltage get too high, and sacrificing voltage and amps. The trick will be to use a transformer to low the voltage so you can increase the amps to about 400 again.
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
November 21 2009 02:40 GMT
#52
I wish I had 400 amp.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
November 21 2009 02:42 GMT
#53
On November 21 2009 10:03 Suc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 09:10 eXigent. wrote:
On November 21 2009 08:35 Suc wrote:
On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.

I agree with grobo, this does not seem like very good adivce. If you want to improve, do not focus on your apm, as you get better IT WILL INCREASE ON ITS OWN.

This is the case, just practise builds and timings and watch VODs in a "learning mindset" (see chill's guide on improving). Focussing on purely increasing your apm when you have a game knowledge that could be greatly improved will most likely be detrimental to your overall gameplay.



Its not bad advice at ALL. Nony was the first one to say this long ago. Sure you can naturally increase APM as you play, but what im talking about is eventually you will hit a speed where unless you ACTIVELY try to get faster, you will stay at that speed. 120APM is slow...so yeah naturally a person will reach this speed, however in order to multitask properly at a decent level, you need to be closer to 200. In order to accomplish this, you have to sit down and practice playing that fast.

What you are assuming is that I want him to focus on spamming his controls while his gameplay suffers, but in reality what I am basically saying is that once he knows his build orders and timings, he should actively work on being faster. Not just spamming 123123123123, but doing EVERYTHING he does.....just faster. What is soo wrong about that? How is that bad advice?

Oh okay, I guess I just misunderstood your point. I thought you meant that he should focus on getting ridiculously fast through spamming and useless actions.

Now that I understand your point, i.e. he should actively try to be faster with his build and complete things faster, I do agree. This is what I was trying to get across before.


ah ok cool. Well I apologize if I came off too strong. Cheers
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
November 21 2009 03:04 GMT
#54
just got 270.. : /
Breaking Bad
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42431 Posts
November 21 2009 03:11 GMT
#55
On November 21 2009 12:04 vRoOk wrote:
just got 270.. : /

Just got 120.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
November 21 2009 03:13 GMT
#56
On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Alot of people are forgetting the fact that APM equates to more than just hand speed. In order to have good macro, you need FAST HANDS. Watch a few streams, and you will see that all of the players are 200+APM, you need this in order to continually multitask...which is a HUGE PART OF THE GAME. Ignore the people that are saying APM is useless. Sure 400APM is unrealistic and pretty useless for a player of your caliber, but you certainly should try and maintain 190-220 APM while playing. This is not too fast that you can't think straight, but its also fast enough to allow you to multitask properly.

Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.


totally right my buddy
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 50
CranKy Ducklings15
Liquipedia
GSL Code S
09:30
Ro8 - Group B
herO vs ZounLIVE!
Classic vs Bunny
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech103
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10276
Sea 3000
Hyuk 1803
Shuttle 632
actioN 435
Mini 354
EffOrt 287
Soulkey 270
Stork 211
ZerO 191
[ Show more ]
Light 148
Pusan 135
Zeus 100
ToSsGirL 60
sSak 46
Sharp 40
JYJ33
hero 32
Last 28
JulyZerg 23
NaDa 17
HiyA 14
Nal_rA 14
Movie 13
Noble 7
zelot 6
ivOry 3
Dota 2
XcaliburYe720
BananaSlamJamma493
boxi98363
Fuzer 226
League of Legends
JimRising 494
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1158
shoxiejesuss1070
kennyS423
allub115
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor176
Other Games
singsing1291
C9.Mang0674
Happy509
XBOCT453
crisheroes373
Crank 272
Mew2King151
Lowko125
DeMusliM84
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3385
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 904
Other Games
gamesdonequick577
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• WagamamaTV148
Upcoming Events
OSC
10h 47m
Replay Cast
13h 47m
OSC
13h 47m
WardiTV Invitational
1d
OSC
1d 2h
Korean StarCraft League
1d 16h
SOOP
1d 22h
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 23h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Cheesadelphia
2 days
[ Show More ]
CSO Cup
2 days
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs TBD
TBD vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.