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On November 21 2009 07:33 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:27 Itachii wrote:On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit. Is he? I don't know if he is or not. It sounded like good advice to me. Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up? do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm? theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed Yeah I was hoping for some kind of advice. Perhaps i should find a different more complicated build order that requires more than just macroing that would have me move units around the map while macroing?
as i said, keep playing.late game tvz (vs decent zergs of course)should give you good speed training if you really want some kind of it
edit:considering that you know what to do in it, of course^^
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May be that guy was just joking?
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Try practicing a build that's very APM demanding. When i started playing zerg i would go for 3 hatch muta all the time even though i couldn't handle all the multi-task. Needless to say, i lost alot, but now it's the easiest thing in the world.
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On November 21 2009 07:04 vRoOk wrote:
Iajtls said that he recommended learning one build order and practicing over and over and over until I got it perfect
Haven't I been telling you this for months? Aw well, not like I'm some gosu you should take a lot of advice from. 
Gl on destroying zergs in 9 mins. Try it on me sometime. 
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On November 21 2009 07:24 sixghost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:22 grobo wrote:On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit. Is he? I don't know if he is or not. It sounded like good advice to me. Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up? The reason why your APM drops when you do those things is because you spam all the time whenever you are not making units, getting upgrades, grouping units. But honestly, wouldn't you rather be able to win games by outplaying your opponent, by successfully killing him with a flawless timing attack or by reaching 200/200 at the 14min mark? You don't win games by having higher APM than your opponent. APM = Shit, Testie was raping pro's left and right with his 120-140apm. Low APM can be overcome when you have incredible game knowledge. But saying APM doesn't matter for newer players is just wrong.
But it is the least important thing a new player needs to worry about.
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On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:36 MeProU_Kor wrote:
lol! just LOL!!! i dont see how u will get better by spamming 400apm vs the comp. i think its more important to focus on the important stuff with the apm u have right now AND after that u can try to mix some other stuff into your standard game and your apm will raise itself. if u just want high apm to feel gosu put your cc/hatch/nexus on 1 and press the key after every command and every second if u have nothing else to do. im sure u will have 400 APM that way. Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid. Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"
Trust me, the better approach would be first to play a lot and get comfortable with the builds and timings and then move on to increasing your speed, not the other way around.
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On November 21 2009 07:39 vRoOk wrote:
Well honestly I'm gonna take LastShadows gosu opinion over your 29 post one anyday I'm afraid.
Did you read up at all? the purpose is not "to feel like a 400 apm gosu"
1) i dont know any top foreigner with 400APM (only fenix maybe with like ~370APM in most reps)
2) if u just even dont know bos, u just lack in too many things and APM is your smallest problem
3) after u fixed every other problem your apm will raise itself
4) sure u can train to get higher apm but for what? to get better mechanics? if u just focus on your game your mechanics will get better and your apm will raise. sounds more logical for me.
5) why dont u just ask LS? i think he can give you the best advice how to get higher apm since apm is very important for him.
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I think that as long as you can maintain ~120apm without spamming, there's not a lot of point in being faster until you're good with your strategies. If you can do that, APM won't be a limiting factor until you're well into the B ranks.
I just don't see the point in a sub C player worrying about having +200 APM because there are so many other holes in your game that APM is far from your biggest problem.
What exactly is your rank?
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Alot of people are forgetting the fact that APM equates to more than just hand speed. In order to have good macro, you need FAST HANDS. Watch a few streams, and you will see that all of the players are 200+APM, you need this in order to continually multitask...which is a HUGE PART OF THE GAME. Ignore the people that are saying APM is useless. Sure 400APM is unrealistic and pretty useless for a player of your caliber, but you certainly should try and maintain 190-220 APM while playing. This is not too fast that you can't think straight, but its also fast enough to allow you to multitask properly.
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.
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On November 21 2009 08:09 Biochemist wrote:
I think that as long as you can maintain ~120apm without spamming, there's not a lot of point in being faster until you're good with your strategies. If you can do that, APM won't be a limiting factor until you're well into the B ranks.
I just don't see the point in a sub C player worrying about having +200 APM because there are so many other holes in your game that APM is far from your biggest problem.
What exactly is your rank?
My rank is C- about
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On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.
I strongly disagree with this.
I never even had BWChart up until a year ago, and i loaded up my old reps from when i just started playing and i was at ~40apm, and these days i'm at ~160apm without ever so much as thinking about my APM when i was playing.
APM comes with your overall knowledge of the game, period.
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On November 21 2009 07:33 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 07:27 Itachii wrote:On November 21 2009 07:16 vRoOk wrote:On November 21 2009 07:11 grobo wrote:
Isn't iajtls LastShadow?
And i'm not even gonna get in on the whole "APM"-discussion, i will say this though, that is probably the worst piece of advice i have ever heard.
I don't know if you are trolling or if he was trolling you, but that is complete bullshit. Is he? I don't know if he is or not. It sounded like good advice to me. Yea heres alot of spam going on in the early game but its not like im spamming the whole time i make my units on time and dont get supply blocked and get upgrades, group my units and everything. Which is why my apm falls when i start having to do all those things.. How can i do all that but still keep it up? do you seriously expect us to tell you some magic trick or way of playing at 300+apm? theres only 1 answer to your questions and problems, just keep playing SC, and dont give a flying fuck about speed.none will help you more than this comment, we can mamble all day long about what and how you should do at late game but you just gotta "feel it" in order to play at desired speed Yeah I was hoping for some kind of advice. Perhaps i should find a different more complicated build order that requires more than just macroing that would have me move units around the map while macroing?
Always sair/reaver pvz, you'll notice everything improve.
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On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Alot of people are forgetting the fact that APM equates to more than just hand speed. In order to have good macro, you need FAST HANDS. Watch a few streams, and you will see that all of the players are 200+APM, you need this in order to continually multitask...which is a HUGE PART OF THE GAME. Ignore the people that are saying APM is useless. Sure 400APM is unrealistic and pretty useless for a player of your caliber, but you certainly should try and maintain 190-220 APM while playing. This is not too fast that you can't think straight, but its also fast enough to allow you to multitask properly.
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.
u know why most newbs are slow? cause they watch the battles and dont use hotkeys. if they would just remember to focus on there macro and keep buildings probes + units they would get like +50 APM. sure you need apm to micro/macro good but you will learn mechanics only by playing and focusing on it not by focusing on getting higher apm.
did any one wrote that apm isnt important?
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On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play.
I agree with grobo, this does not seem like very good adivce. If you want to improve, do not focus on your apm, as you get better IT WILL INCREASE ON ITS OWN.
This is the case, just practise builds and timings and watch VODs in a "learning mindset" (see chill's guide on improving). Focussing on purely increasing your apm when you have a game knowledge that could be greatly improved will most likely be detrimental to your overall gameplay.
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Holy shit, iajtls is indeed lastshadow. Whatever you do, DO NOT BEFRIEND THIS FAGGOT.
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On November 21 2009 08:52 Pokebunny wrote:
Holy shit, iajtls is indeed lastshadow. Whatever you do, DO NOT BEFRIEND THIS FAGGOT.
Well someone doesn't like LS..
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If I didn't know LS to be an idiot I would say he was just trolling you for lulz. But I do know that so whatever, you're still wasting your time.
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On November 21 2009 08:35 Suc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 08:14 eXigent. wrote:
Your APM will not raise itself, no matter what people say. You need to take an active role in getting faster, because otherwise your hands will get use to the slower speed you are playing, and you wont get any faster. This stuff takes effort, and doesn't just come as you play. I agree with grobo, this does not seem like very good adivce. If you want to improve, do not focus on your apm, as you get better IT WILL INCREASE ON ITS OWN. This is the case, just practise builds and timings and watch VODs in a "learning mindset" (see chill's guide on improving). Focussing on purely increasing your apm when you have a game knowledge that could be greatly improved will most likely be detrimental to your overall gameplay.
Its not bad advice at ALL. Nony was the first one to say this long ago. Sure you can naturally increase APM as you play, but what im talking about is eventually you will hit a speed where unless you ACTIVELY try to get faster, you will stay at that speed. 120APM is slow...so yeah naturally a person will reach this speed, however in order to multitask properly at a decent level, you need to be closer to 200. In order to accomplish this, you have to sit down and practice playing that fast.
What you are assuming is that I want him to focus on spamming his controls while his gameplay suffers, but in reality what I am basically saying is that once he knows his build orders and timings, he should actively work on being faster. Not just spamming 123123123123, but doing EVERYTHING he does.....just faster. What is soo wrong about that? How is that bad advice?
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I thought you were talking about like starting a rock band and your amplifier wasn't working... Instead it's an apm thread. Bye.
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Practicing exactly one build over and over = good
Spamming 400 apm for the sake of it = lolno
You'll find things to do with apm, and it will keep going up as long as you take an active approach to practicing.
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