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I has a blog! Huzzahs are in order and such.
Anyway, I'm in need of some new computer games to play. I think I want something in the RPG or RTS genre, with a focus on single player. Two days ago I finally got my first lvl 80 character in WoW, (DON'T JUDGE ME SHUTUP I HATE YOU), and in between that and System Shock 2 I have gotten pretty bored. Anyway, I recently watched all of the newer videos for the SC2 single player campaign, and I am so freaking excited for it! Having had my fill of multiplayer shenanigans through WoW, and horror through SS2, I'm looking for a fun single player game. My thoughts so far:
RTS: I love starcraft, and wc3. I've loved the early C&C games, I loved Armies of Exigo, total annihilation, etc. But it's been a while since I've played an RTS game with a really engaging single player campaign. Obviously I want a copy of SC2 to fall into my lap right now, but that's likely not going to happen. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good RTS single player game? Preferably one with a decent story, engaging decision making and such, etc. Something exciting that will actually make me think a bit. Preferably at least. I played through DoW2 at like the start of summer, and while I love the warhammer universe, the game sucked balls.
RPG: I've had the strangest urge lately to play through Hellgate London again. However, since I have no way of re-downloading the game from EA even though I legitimately bought it at the time of release, (fuck you EA), I haven't bothered to. While WoW is more of a social thing and half of the fun is chatting at guildies in vent, I would love to play a game sort of like D2, but one that I don't already know by heart, lol. I've played so much D2 over the years that nothing is surprising anymore, I know exactly what to do, etc. I know the game inside and out. I've heard good things about the D2 Median mod or whatnot, but when I tried playing it a year or so ago, it confused the hell out of me. Anyone have any good RPG-ish game recommendations? I'm loving SS2 at the moment, but the game is scary as hell, and my irrational fear of spiders doesn't help at all.
Naval Simulation: If anyone here is a tabletop game nerd, there's a chance they've heard of Battlefleet Gothic. You basically have a fleet of spaceships that fly around and blast the crap out of each other, with somewhat complicated rules such as momentum, ranging, which way the sun is coming from, etc. It's a lot of fun, but it's a tabletop game, which means I have to go to a store and put up with a room full of a completely different kind of nerd. I've never found a good space combat simulation game. I loved the Homeworld series, but those were basically more of an RTS in 3d. I'd really love a game where you are basically the admiral of a fleet or something, and control a few ships, with lots of customization, etc. And obviously, bonus points for a game with some decent story. And when I say naval combat, it doesn't have to be space. Any game in which large ships float/fly around firing big guns at each other would be spectacular. (Think of "Resurrection Ship: Part 2" from Battlestar Galactica. I would LOVE a game like that!)
Anyway, I'm really lost on what to look at. Much thanks for reading all that, and all suggestions are very much appreciated! Thanks!
 
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being a star wars fan, I can reccomend KOTOR one and two, for the rpg section.
rts i'm not too sure about, I dont' stray far from sc. you could always just download a free mmorpg and waste a few months/years on it. conquer online ruined my last two years of high school, so if you want something addictive, play that.
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Try The Witcher, Mass Effect and Fallout 3 for RPGs. For RTS, try DoW 1, which is an actual strategy and maybe Company of Heroes. Supreme commander is a decent RTS, but the campaign sucks balls. World in Conflict is another one that's more tactics than actual strategy (no base management), so i dunno if you like that sort of thing.
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I never tried DoW 2, so I couldn't compare it to 1, but I can say that DoW 1 definitely didn't suck, as long as you don't try to mistake it for any kind of serious, competitive game. I found it nice to play around with as a changeup from SC occassionally back in the day.
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I really can't think of any RTS that even comes close to the level of competitiveness that SC and WC3 offer. They are all either too slow, too shallow strategically, too imbalanced or all of the above.
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For RTS give Dark Reign and Homeworld a good look. Netstorm is a great, very challenging RTS. Probably my first choice, but not exactly traditional. Battle Realms is a game I've always wanted to try, and should be interesting. One of the Battlezone type games might also be worth a look.
Given you enjoy SS2, but not the atmosphere, I'd say the natural choice would be Deus Ex. I'll also briefly plug Anachronox here as a good game that might help transition into 'harder' RPG's like the FO's.
I'm not too clear on naval simulations, but the Harpoon series is worth considering (ultra-detailed naval combat simulation).
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PICK UP COUNTERSTRIKE
then we can 2v2 starcraft and then take a break and 2v2 in cs!!!!
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NETSTORM! Fuck, I want to play that game so much now.
Also orb, give me your steam handle :O I need someone to play CS with, since they shut down all the places i used to hang around 
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RPGs: Planescape: torment is the best RPG ever made. Fallout (first one, 3d is piece of shit) is very good too. Go play these now, so you know what a real RPG looks like. (man I wish I could play planescape without knowing the story already. that game is a piece of art)
RTS: Try nexus: Jupiter incident. Pretty much what you're looking for I think, 1-10 spaceships in your command, you can customize them heavily (weapons, shields, engines, bla bla bla) and its very tactical. You can shoot ship parts to disable them and so on. Interesting campaign as well  . It's not too challenging for us hardcore starcraft nerds, but it's not too easy either.
Maybe try ground control 2 as well, it's a fun game. No base building, you get points for accomplishing objectives which you can then use to buy more units. Not hard. Not competetive. But fun.
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+1 for The Witcher, Deus Ex, Fallout 1, Planescape: Torment, and Netstorm.
KotOR is a good introduction to CRPGs (PST and Fallout are much less accessible). I'd play in an order along the lines of:
KotOR 1/2 -> Baldur's Gate 1/2 -> Planescape: Torment -> Fallout 1/2
Anachronox is fun, but a bit quirky; not sure its for everyone.
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I'm currently playing Fable for the PC. Never got around to playing it when it came out. I've never really played RPG's a lot. However, I'm really digging the game.
I guess it's more of a game for RPG newbs like me, but I find the combat system/mechanics really simple/easier to learn compared to some other RPG's.
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For RTS i recommend World in Conflict, it doesn't have building control or things like that. You gain points by killing other units which let you call in reinforcements via air support. Game is set in the Cold war and the USSR invaded the USA and Europe. It's a really great single player experience.
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If you're into RPG's with a very good storyline and a solid universe, try any of the game in the Gothic Franchise, except Forsaken Gods that is. Gothic 2: Night of The Raven is one of the best RPG's I've ever played.
I can't really recommend any RTS besides war3 and starcraft as I strongly believe that anyone but Blizzard can make good games.
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On October 23 2009 01:01 FirstBorn wrote:
If you're into RPG's with a very good storyline and a solid universe, try any of the game in the Gothic Franchise, except Forsaken Gods that is. Gothic 2: Night of The Raven is one of the best RPG's I've ever played.
I can't really recommend any RTS besides war3 and starcraft as I strongly believe that anyone but Blizzard can make good games.
Wait.... Whaaa?
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Awesome! Thanks for the suggestions thus far guys, ^.^
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Sweden33719 Posts
Dunno if you've heard about Vassal - it's a program that lets you play a whole bunch of tabletop games online, including BFG.
First link while googling, not sure how up to date it is but shouldn't be impossible to find it:
http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/battlefleet-gothic/108097-bfg-vassal.html
Of course, then you'd need to find people that play it too 
Oh and I second the recommendation of Deus Ex. The engine feels almost identical to Deus Ex (down to the excessive amount of empty wine bottles you'll find...).
Also, I was recently searching for something similiar to BFG but on the PC, and ran across these two games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wolves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_the_jupiter_incident
I dl:ed both but had trouble getting them running and then got distracted by something and forgot about them I guess.
Not sure if they are exactly what you are looking for but they are billed as real-time tactics and the theme is right
Oh hm, and a couple of suggestions I make in most threads like this, even though they aren't 100% matches:
Star Control 2 (aka Ur Quan Masters - it's available free under that name, really old game but has a good story, good gameplay and is really funny). Sort of an RPG I guess ? From early 90s.
UFO:Enemy Unknown (aka X-Com) - should be able to find it free online, squad based tactical game. From mid/early 90s.
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READ FIRST : I think your bored because you're just playing games that are too similar to each other, maybe spice it up with some variety, try games of different genres?
And also you've kinda played the best of the best games of the RTS/RPG genre already, I'd think it would be dumb to recommend anything else to you at this point.
However some quality RPG games I would recommend for some serious/hardcore single player RPGing Baldur's Gate 1/2 (2 is much better), you could try Icewind Dale 1/2 as well but I think you would again become very bored if you played them all through too close to each other, BG 2 is best pick of those.
You can try Fallout 3 (I didn't particularly like it but you might). If you loved Diablo 2 you might wanna check out Borderlands (because basically D2 is the best it that genre and everything else will just feel too similar or cheap to you when you compare it, which you will do xP), it's kinda Diablo and Counter-Strike infused together, FPS with RPG elements with focus on online coop and GUNSSS!!! or perhaps Bioshock as well, that's another really good quality fps/rpg game, and its single player focused.
If you played SS2 and liked it, you might also like Dead Space, but it's one of those horror survival kind of atmospheres so yeah xP lol
For a good RTS single player I've heard that World of Conflict's campaign was meant to be really good, I didn't play it myself though, I bought the game, played multiplayer (which was pretty shit) and returned the game the following day.
But yeah maybe take a break from RPG/RTS play some Dota ;D?! lol. Maybe try the new Batman game, it has gotten many good reviews.
But a game I would recommend to anyone is Ninja Gaiden the one on the xbox, if you can borrow an xbox or something and got the game, you will definitely love this game, very challenging and just plain awesome, especially all the cool looking combos and stuff ;D
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I recommend the old DOS-game: KGB/Conspiracy. You can download it from anywhere but you'll need DOSBOX to run it.
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On October 23 2009 00:52 Sadistx wrote:NETSTORM! Fuck, I want to play that game so much now. Also orb, give me your steam handle :O I need someone to play CS with, since they shut down all the places i used to hang around
my handle as in my nickname is just orb, but I have multiple accounts.
the name of the account is marcus.akerman@telia.com (a friend gave me this account a long time ago lol not my email) so you can add me using that
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On October 23 2009 01:09 ToyotaDemon wrote:
because basically D2 is the best it that genre
Am I the only person in this world, to think that Diablo 2 was a huge let down considering why ppl loved and play the original diablo.
Diablo 2 is the one game I regret playing for countless hours
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My steam ID is MaXpWnAg3 so feel free to add me but I'm sucky at CS I just walk around and die and sometimes kill random people with a grenade and they get so mad and bm me so much cuz they dont like dying to a noob.
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Planescape Torment (if you want RPG with accent on RP, most of it's beauty comes from dialogues and story), Baldur's Gate 2. Actually with RPGs it depends what you want - if you want grinding (aka hack'n'slash genre, most hardcore RPG fans will flame you for mentioning D2 or any hack and slash games being RPG) then i recommend Dungeon Siege or Sacred (didn't play Sacred though but i heard from a friend that Sacred 1 was great, yet 2 wasn't as good as 1)
As for RTS - DoW1 is very nice game, Supreme Commander is quite fun (esp. if you loved Total Annihilation, but don't mention it to SupCom fans cause they will flame you about "them having nothing in common" etcetc.), esp if you have friend/s with whom you can play via LAN.
Also i just LOVE Warlords BattleCry series - it's RTS with RPG elements (you have hero who carries over with every scenario/skirmish/multi battle), really very climatic game but under-appreciated. Latest one is WBC3
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FrozenArbiter: Haha, thanks for the recommendation for Vassal. Good to know other people use it! I'm not particularly fond of it myself, but I've tried in the past, and it is a good bit of fun. Hard to get the interfaces working and such. Are you on Librarium Online btw?
Yah I'm looking at Nexus and Star Wolves now. I think I'll have to dl one of them when I get home.
Toyota: I played through fallout 2 and 3, but never the first one. Fallout 2 was fun, but not really my kind of game. Fallout 3 was loads of fun, but my poor computer really struggled to run it. And it was kinda repetitive. Find enemy -> enter VATS mode -> headshot headshot headshot -> dodge until ur VATS is recharged -> repeat from step 1. However, watching enemies heads asplode or limbs get mangled somehow never got old, which amazed me.
I actually stole Orb's xbox, and have been playing halo 2 and bioshock. I cant' stand bioshock on the xbox, cause for some reason I can't aim for crap, and it can't run on my compy t.t; I tried Oblivion but it felt too much like playing WoW without anyone else online... I've never tried the Baldur's Gate games. I might have to look into those, as I've certainly heard of them before.
I'm open to trying other genres I suppose. As far as FPS games go, I have been playing a lot of ODST at my boyfriend's place lately, but I can't really be bothered to buy it for myself. For FPS on the computer, I LOVE Natural Selection, (best halflife mod EVER), but finding a solid server full of competent non-hackers is kinda tricky. Especially since the I-AM clan shut down their NS team t.t; I would love a FPS/RPG hybrid. That was basically why I liked hellgate, even though the game was pretty bad. (I was in the beta, and it was soooooo far from complete I knew it would be doomed to fail from the start, but oh wells)
Orb: My computer can't really run CS:S at a framerate high enough to make me not a total noob. CS is boring to me. I'm looking for some single player games atm -.-; Also if you don't make it to the Nov 7th lan, I hate you.
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Oh, and BRUTAL LEGENDS IS FUCKING INCREDIBLE LOLOLOLOLOL I NEED TO GET THIS GAME FOR MYSELF!
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Kaniol: I played DoW 1, and had all of the expansions downloaded. It was fun, but it was the type of game where the multiplayer was the prime attraction. It actually had some strategy/micro involved. The single player was ass terrible.
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Company of Heroes is soooo good, even for me who usually hate realistic games. It's like DoW1 but just much better. DoW1 was pretty good but I didn't care about the expansions since I got tired of it by then. C&C3 is also really great, played it recently and it's old-school stuff. Didn't try RA3 though but it should be just as good. Supreme Commander another nice RTS.
Definitely don't try the Gothic series unless you like serious and millions of bugs and games where you get the same 15 FPS regardless of graphics settings on a system that can run Crysis in twice as high FPS.
Neverwinter Nights 2 is a pretty good RPG, if you got some friends to play through the campaign. KOTOR has outdated graphics by now but is a darn good RPG, however try the first game first and not the second since it's much worse.
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Cool cool, again thanks for the suggestions guys. I'm off to class, but I'll check in again later tonight.
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On October 23 2009 01:36 Haemonculus wrote:
As far as FPS games go, I have been playing a lot of ODST at my boyfriend's place lately, but I can't really be bothered to buy it for myself.
ODST is one great game I just played through it a week ago with my brother on Legendary. I can imagine it's not as fun single player, but for co-op it's a solid game. However Halo 3 is actually a lot better if you haven't played it. The story is so weird and, uh, bad in ODST and you never get that real Halo-feeling because of lots of things missing.
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On October 23 2009 01:02 Mickey wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 01:01 FirstBorn wrote:
If you're into RPG's with a very good storyline and a solid universe, try any of the game in the Gothic Franchise, except Forsaken Gods that is. Gothic 2: Night of The Raven is one of the best RPG's I've ever played.
I can't really recommend any RTS besides war3 and starcraft as I strongly believe that anyone but Blizzard can make good games. Wait.... Whaaa?
Engrish fail
I meant that Blizzard are the only ones that can make good RTS games.
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On October 23 2009 01:28 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 01:09 ToyotaDemon wrote:
because basically D2 is the best it that genre Am I the only person in this world, to think that Diablo 2 was a huge let down considering why ppl loved and play the original diablo.
You're spot on. Diablo II was a piece of shit.
Anything by Bioware and Bethesda is good for RPGs. Avoid anything from Obsidian. If you can stomach the graphics and horrible interfaces, go ahead and play the old school Black Isle games like Fallout and Planescape. The Witcher is another decent option. It lacks polish, but it's still fun. (If you noticed the pun in that last sentence before reading this, let me know.)
If you're enjoying System Shock 2, it'd be a shame if you didn't play the spiritual successor, BioShock, one of the best games in recent memory. The original Deus Ex is the best game ever made. The sequel is atrocious. Borderlands sounds like it might appeal to you. All of these games are RPG-FPS hybrids, some more than others.
The only RTS in the entire world that's worth playing is Halo Wars, so I won't comment on the sad state of the PC RTS genre.
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On October 23 2009 01:56 DJEtterStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 01:28 disciple wrote:On October 23 2009 01:09 ToyotaDemon wrote:
because basically D2 is the best it that genre Am I the only person in this world, to think that Diablo 2 was a huge let down considering why ppl loved and play the original diablo. You're spot on. Diablo II was a piece of shit.
It gets even worse because from what Ive seen so far from D3 its the exact same shit, only with more lightning effects and more colors
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United States47024 Posts
On October 23 2009 01:56 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Anything by Bioware and Bethesda is good for RPGs. Avoid anything from Obsidian. If you can stomach the graphics and horrible interfaces, go ahead and play the old school Black Isle games like Fallout and Planescape. The Witcher is another decent option. It lacks polish, but it's still fun. (If you noticed the pun in that last sentence before reading this, let me know.)
Seriously?
Lets look at their records:
Bioware:
KotOR 1: Good, but a BG clone in space; unimaginative.
NWN: Good as a toolset, pretty substandard as a game.
Mass Effect: Opinions range from amazing to subpar. My best evaluation is that it's a nice game, but a terrible RPG.
(I'm not including BG, because that was before the breakup of Black Isle)
Bethesda:
Morrowind: Good world, average plot and characters. Pretty decent.
Oblivion: Daggerfall with shiny graphics. Good if you haven't played Daggerfall, extremely disappointing if you have.
Fallout: Average plot and characters, decent world, but breaks suspension of disbelief much more than Morrowind. Decent but not amazing.
Obsidian:
KotOR 2: Unpolished, but much better developed story elements than KotOR 1. Introduces more morally ambiguous decisions (rather than the boring black/white of the first KotOR), and deeper characters (read: not carbon copies of BG NPCs, like KotOR 1). Lacks polish, but makes up for it with a generally deeper experience.
NWN2: Base game is slightly better than NWN1. Storm of Zehir explores interesting mechanics. Mask of the Betrayer is arguably the best-written RPG since Planescape, with an engaging plot and imaginative characters that break your traditional cliches.
I could understand saying Bethesda and Bioware are good (though I myself have been disappointed with their games since BG/Morrowind). I don't get how you can say Obsidian is bad.
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On October 23 2009 02:06 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 01:56 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Anything by Bioware and Bethesda is good for RPGs. Avoid anything from Obsidian. If you can stomach the graphics and horrible interfaces, go ahead and play the old school Black Isle games like Fallout and Planescape. The Witcher is another decent option. It lacks polish, but it's still fun. (If you noticed the pun in that last sentence before reading this, let me know.) Seriously? Lets look at their records: Bioware: KotOR 1: Good, but a BG clone in space; unimaginative. NWN: Good as a toolset, pretty substandard as a game. Mass Effect: Opinions range from amazing to subpar. My best evaluation is that it's a nice game, but a terrible RPG. Bethesda: Morrowind: Good world, average plot and characters. Pretty decent. Oblivion: Daggerfall with shiny graphics. Good if you haven't played Daggerfall, extremely disappointing if you have. Fallout: Average plot and characters, decent world, but breaks suspension of disbelief much more than Morrowind. Decent but not amazing. Obsidian: KotOR 2: Unpolished, but much better developed story elements than KotOR 1. Introduces more morally ambiguous decisions (rather than the boring black/white of the first KotOR), and deeper characters (read: not carbon copies of BG NPCs, like KotOR 1). Lacks polish, but makes up for it with a generally deeper experience. NWN2: Base game is slightly better than NWN1. Storm of Zehir explores interesting mechanics. Mask of the Betrayer is arguably the best-written RPG since Planescape, with an engaging plot and imaginative characters that break your traditional cliches. I could understand saying Bethesda are good (though I myself have been diappointed with their games since BG/Morrowind). I don't get how you can say Obsidian is bad.
oh my god
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On October 23 2009 01:36 Haemonculus wrote:
FrozenArbiter: Haha, thanks for the recommendation for Vassal. Good to know other people use it! I'm not particularly fond of it myself, but I've tried in the past, and it is a good bit of fun. Hard to get the interfaces working and such. Are you on Librarium Online btw?
Yah I'm looking at Nexus and Star Wolves now. I think I'll have to dl one of them when I get home.
Toyota: I played through fallout 2 and 3, but never the first one. Fallout 2 was fun, but not really my kind of game. Fallout 3 was loads of fun, but my poor computer really struggled to run it. And it was kinda repetitive. Find enemy -> enter VATS mode -> headshot headshot headshot -> dodge until ur VATS is recharged -> repeat from step 1. However, watching enemies heads asplode or limbs get mangled somehow never got old, which amazed me.
I actually stole Orb's xbox, and have been playing halo 2 and bioshock. I cant' stand bioshock on the xbox, cause for some reason I can't aim for crap, and it can't run on my compy t.t; I tried Oblivion but it felt too much like playing WoW without anyone else online... I've never tried the Baldur's Gate games. I might have to look into those, as I've certainly heard of them before.
I'm open to trying other genres I suppose. As far as FPS games go, I have been playing a lot of ODST at my boyfriend's place lately, but I can't really be bothered to buy it for myself. For FPS on the computer, I LOVE Natural Selection, (best halflife mod EVER), but finding a solid server full of competent non-hackers is kinda tricky. Especially since the I-AM clan shut down their NS team t.t; I would love a FPS/RPG hybrid. That was basically why I liked hellgate, even though the game was pretty bad. (I was in the beta, and it was soooooo far from complete I knew it would be doomed to fail from the start, but oh wells)
Orb: My computer can't really run CS:S at a framerate high enough to make me not a total noob. CS is boring to me. I'm looking for some single player games atm -.-; Also if you don't make it to the Nov 7th lan, I hate you.
1: Hey where'd you get that xbox? YOU STOLE IT LOLOLOLOLOLOL
2: I pirated the new terrible need for speed game (easily the worst of the entire series yet imo) and wished I had an xbox controller to plug into my computer to use the analog for steering
3: CS IS NOT BORING YOU GET TO SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE FACE LOL
4: I didn't even know there was a nov 7 lan, and tbh driving like 8 hours is a huge pain in the ass and totally fucks my sleep up with all the driving and such so I can't really make driving down to DC lans a bimonthly thing
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On October 23 2009 01:56 someone wrote:
KotOR 2: Unpolished, but much better developed story elements than KotOR 1. Introduces more morally ambiguous decisions (rather than the boring black/white of the first KotOR), and deeper characters (read: not carbon copies of BG NPCs, like KotOR 1). Lacks polish, but makes up for it with a generally deeper experience.
Wait a minute or two. Define better developed story? Did you even finish the game? KotOR 2 has the worst ending I've ever seen in any game and I've seen bad ones. The story in KotOR is superior, especially the end where you can make decisive decisions and do things you can't do in most other games (if you played the evil side, you know what I'm talking about...). Plus it has a unique plot twist that will shock you badass style. In KotOR 2, you can guess how things will turn out already from the start.
I'm not saying the story in KotOR 2 is bad though. The ending just destroyed any good feeling I had about it and lots of things are taken from the original game. Btw, I found the characters nowhere as good as in the first game. HK-47 was in the second game, but I never even got to see him. He would at least have saved the rest of the cast...
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On October 23 2009 02:10 -orb- wrote:
4: I didn't even know there was a nov 7 lan, and tbh driving like 8 hours is a huge pain in the ass and totally fucks my sleep up with all the driving and such so I can't really make driving down to DC lans a bimonthly thing
u can always take train and sleep during ride. Andre (Gretorp) is coming from that area I believe, I dunno how he's coming though. U should still check the thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103171
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Less mainstream but still fun:
The Patrician series may be nice,
so may Alpha Centauri/Alien Crossfire.
I'm not a big fan of the Anno series, but many are.
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FrozenArbiter: Haha, thanks for the recommendation for Vassal. Good to know other people use it! I'm not particularly fond of it myself, but I've tried in the past, and it is a good bit of fun. Hard to get the interfaces working and such. Are you on Librarium Online btw?
I kind of tried to use Vassal then realized I am far, far, far too lazy to actually go through the whole setup process haha
I might have a librarium account, I'm not sure, but I don't post there. I post every now and then on dakkadakka as number9dream.
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On October 23 2009 02:06 TheYango wrote:
Obsidian:
KotOR 2: Unpolished, but much better developed story elements than KotOR 1. Introduces more morally ambiguous decisions (rather than the boring black/white of the first KotOR), and deeper characters (read: not carbon copies of BG NPCs, like KotOR 1). Lacks polish, but makes up for it with a generally deeper experience.
I could understand saying Bethesda and Bioware are good (though I myself have been disappointed with their games since BG/Morrowind). I don't get how you can say Obsidian is bad.
I have to strongly agree. Kotor2 was so much better, deeper, darker then the original. I cared about the charaters and what they had to say, and more importantly I belived there was real reason they were talking - whereas kotor1 was like "mandatory bioware dialogue goes here". I wanted to slap Carth silly everyime he opened his stupid mouth. Infact the only character worth listening to was that evil robot.
Im articulating this really poorly but I really dont get why people bash Obsidian. They are so much closer to Black Isle then Bioware ever will be. Really looking forwared to Alpha Protocol.
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On October 23 2009 03:01 nofAcedAgent wrote:
Infact the only character worth listening to was that evil robot.
Not to mention, HK-47 was even written better by Obsidian in KOTOR2. Also, for the people who don't know, a restoration mod is available now (and not by the hopeless TG btw).
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RPGs:
Ultima 7 Part 1 and 2
Ultima 8
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My recommandations:
Deus Ex: Best FPS/rpg hybrid. Old engine but good gameplay and great story with multiple climax.
Baldur's Gate 1 and 2: Perfect balance between a great story and really challenging fights. Really LONG game. It is an epic saga.
Planescape Torment: fights sucks but it is all about dialogs, universe and story. Probably the most original and best written game ever made.
However if you are a D2 fan i doubt you will enjoy those. Brain is needed :p
edit: i see you like SS2 then you MUST play Dx :p
They share a lot of gameplay similarities but Dx isn't a survival horror and is not scary ( + it has dialogs,etc )
edit: Bioshock is beautiful but it has too few really interesting moments. Most of the "missions" are lame.
It is a bit like SS2 but not scary and without a real inventory
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If you are a D2 fan, play titan quest.
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Someone from TL said it best when he said Torment is like reading a really good book. An awesome, awesome book.
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S.T.A.L.K.E.R sounds right up your alley as far as RPG/FPS hybrids go
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The Witcher is a pretty sexy game. Just sayin'.
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D2 has a surprising amount of longevity when you play Hardcore mode. Brings a really nice depth to strategy and character building.
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Awesome, thanks guys. I have many options to look into, ^.^
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On October 23 2009 03:05 Spinfusor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 03:01 nofAcedAgent wrote:
Infact the only character worth listening to was that evil robot. Not to mention, HK-47 was even written better by Obsidian in KOTOR2. Also, for the people who don't know, a restoration mod is available now (and not by the hopeless TG btw).
Link please!
I've been searching for so long...
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haha I <3 HK-47. I have both KOTOR games legit, but I only ever finished the second one. I only got through like half of the first one, maybe I should finish it.
I only ever saw HK-47 in kotor2, so that's probably why I like it so much. Still, + Show Spoiler +he had to die, death by viroblade!
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Arcanum was a reaaally good RPG. It had a nice story story buttload of side quests, lots of possibilities to build your character. but i think you could ruin the game for yourself if you just went berserk and killed anything that moved. but great game.
I played kotor1/2 and 1 was so much better than two imo. i dont know. in kotr2 the story was uhhh slow and boring. the characters... disgusting.... as much as i loved kotr i couldnt force myself through the second game.
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Hack'n'slash games like Diablo are lotsa fun by me. It's really the character building and such that interested me. The fact that my barbarian would run into a carver camp, screaming incoherently and frothing at the mouth while indiscriminately killing left and right before tearing off to the next camp leaving only a few extremely confused survivors was only a plus.
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On October 23 2009 07:50 Boblion wrote:
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Great post, I second this suggestion!
(Deus Ex) lol.
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World in Conflct has the best single-player campaign of any RTS I've ever played.
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Sins of a Solar Empire is an awesome RTS, involving spaceships and stuff haha
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On October 23 2009 02:28 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 02:10 -orb- wrote:
4: I didn't even know there was a nov 7 lan, and tbh driving like 8 hours is a huge pain in the ass and totally fucks my sleep up with all the driving and such so I can't really make driving down to DC lans a bimonthly thing u can always take train and sleep during ride. Andre (Gretorp) is coming from that area I believe, I dunno how he's coming though. U should still check the thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103171
It's moot anyways, I just found out I have an orchestra concert I have to perform in that weekend :\
Sorry
I'll be down for thanksgiving through the saturday after thanksgiving tho if u wanna hang out
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On October 23 2009 07:40 HeaDStrong wrote:
Arcanum was a reaaally good RPG. It had a nice story story buttload of side quests, lots of possibilities to build your character. but i think you could ruin the game for yourself if you just went berserk and killed anything that moved. but great game.
The combat engine for Arcanum is also imbalanced as all hell (a few of the first level spells are absurdly powerful--1st level harm can carry you through a large portion of the game). It has a well developed world, but if you play it for the combat, you're going to be disappointed. The world is amazing though.
On October 23 2009 07:40 HeaDStrong wrote:
I played kotor1/2 and 1 was so much better than two imo. i dont know. in kotr2 the story was uhhh slow and boring. the characters... disgusting.... as much as i loved kotr i couldnt force myself through the second game.
There's no internal conflict in KotOR 1. Yes there's the plot twist, but honestly? That doesn't change anything. 90% of people I've talked to didn't suddenly "go evil" or "go good" with that knowledge, and for good reason: it's entirely implausible. As interesting as the plot twist for your main character is, there is no conflict to make your character deeper.
By contrast, the Exile is a much deeper character. The story is centered around him/her trying to escape the predestination of the Force, but at the same time, realizing the fact that without it, he is powerful. There's much deeper character development in there, and actually looks at the traditional themes of the Star Wars Universe in a new way (e.g. what happens when someone who has lived his life bound to the force tries to escape its destiny), as opposed to just mining the cliches, which is precisely what KotOR 1 does.
As far as the NPCs go, the KotOR 1 NPCs are interesting until you realize that HK is literally the only original one of them:
KotOR 1:
Jolee - I have less problems with Jolee than a lot of the other NPCs. Sure, he's Jan Jansen, but he's got a fresh batch of jokes, and he comes across generally different.
Mission - The bratty, prankster, younger sister type. Almost a carbon copy of Imoen.
Zaalbar - Big furball connected to the wild who you find locked in a jail and is gets involved in issues of ruling/succession? Sounds like Cernd.
Canderous - The guy with 1000 war stories. At odds with the "knight in shining armor", banters well with less serious types. See Korgan.
T3 - I really don't need to go into why T3 is mining the cliches.
Carth - IMO the worst written character in the game. As a male protagonist, he's merely annoying. As a female protagonist, the romance dialogue is just absurd. The "knight in shining armor" routine doesn't work, and his lines look like something from a silly high school date movie. You'd think that a character that was married before would have some knowledge of how to deal with women. Anomen from BG2 is the obvious parallel.
Bastila - Carth's female equivalent. She acts strong and tough, and then melts in the male protagonist's arms. Predictable, unrealistic, and arguably sexist. Takes from the worst elements of Aerie, Jaheira, and Viconia.
Juhani - The person you saved/redeemed, and now follows you around unquestioningly. Basically Viconia without the romance elements.
Like I said, Baldur's Gate in space. Add that the dialogue and banter in BG was generally more interesting, and it gets pretty dry. Not all of KotOR 2's characters are groundbreaking, but a lot of them explore more interesting ground. Kreia is basically the manifestation of the Exile's issues with the Force. Canderous and HK are holdovers from KotOR 1, but they're more well-written in KotOR 2, and their origins are explored. Finding out something about them that matters beats hearing random stories in KotOR 1 that have no connection to you. And Visas and Mira both break the fairly sexist interpretation of female characters present in KotOR 1. They're deeper characters than Mission/Bastila/Juhani, which are frankly quite silly.
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On October 23 2009 05:52 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 03:05 Spinfusor wrote:On October 23 2009 03:01 nofAcedAgent wrote:
Infact the only character worth listening to was that evil robot. Not to mention, HK-47 was even written better by Obsidian in KOTOR2. Also, for the people who don't know, a restoration mod is available now (and not by the hopeless TG btw). Link please! I've been searching for so long...
http://www.deadlystream.com/forumdisplay.php?f=123
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Much thanks to those who suggested Nexus! I'm having a lot of fun playing it, even if the learning curve is a bit overwhelming at first O.O;
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Your forum nickname is "small blood" ? :s I'm confuzzled.
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On October 24 2009 06:26 Thrill wrote:
Your forum nickname is "small blood" ? :s I'm confuzzled.
o.O
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No Xenogears fans?
I *just* started playing it.
Anyone like it?
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ive played a bit of Mass Effect, KotOR, Fallout 3, Bioshock, Oblivion, D2 lately (DAMN)
my opinions are as follows:
mass effect has a pretty weak storyline but the characters (aside from you) are all pretty interesting, and the setting and visuals are amazing, they will have a big impact on you. i was annoyed with the galaxy map but it's a good game
KotOR 1&2 are both awesome and you NEED to play through the 1st one at least once if you're even close to a star wars fan. the voice acting is second to none. I can't enjoy 1 anymore though because 2 improves on graphics, character depth, building your char and combat so much even though as others have said, it is an unpolished storyline.
actually these are the only games out of the ones ive listed that id wholly recommend.
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