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I've been randomly cruising the internet the other day and I have found something really worth sharing with you all. This stuff is funny, smart and very real. It's really interesting to see disabled people challenge their own condition and in many cases become more able than any ordinary person.
Here is a very nice speech by one of them, Bill Shannon (some of you probably know him from the Visa commercial or RJD2 video clip "Work it Out").
http://poptech.org/popcasts/bill_shannon__poptech_2007
I'd also like to show you one more thing, that I've seen during my classes but unfortunately I can't find it 
It was a BBC documentary about a man who was a victim of Thalomide (he was born without arms) and despite that achieved many great things (took part in the olympics, swimming and target shooting; was playing for one of the major teams in AFL; driving his own car; having a family etc. etc.). If anyone would find it, please let me know.
 
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Valhalla18444 Posts
everybody's got problems. i don't see what's so noble or extraordinary about handling them and getting things done within your life
i'm physically handicapped in a pretty terrible way, that doesn't mean it's any more impressive that i can do something than someone who isn't handicapped in the same way
plus a whole ton of people don't have any physical problems but are right fucked up in the head, and most of them manage to lead normal lives as well
cripples-turned-motivational-speakers ought to speak with a message that says 'quit your bitching and deal with your shit so you can do what you wanna do' rather than 'anything is possible if you just try hard enough'
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^^^gimpy^^^
there's deaf people that come into my work a lot with postcards for $5, with a note saying 'im deaf and cant work, please help me'
what the hell is hat
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Personally I don't find things like this inspirational. What's wrong with me?
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I don't understand.. He can skateboard but something wrong with hips?
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On September 24 2009 01:23 Mobius wrote:
I don't understand.. He can skateboard but something wrong with hips?
you probably didnt watch the whole video.
I dont blame you though, I personally thought it was slightly boring aside from when we saw him do tricks
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haha. I love when everyone else on TL feels the same way I do. I didnt mind him because he didn't try to play on the whole handicapped thing as hard as he could have, but at the same time I just think, "your a pretty mediocre dancer".
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My friends parents are both deaf and they live just fine, im sure they overcame things in their lives but they seem completely normal and they never begged anyone to treat them differently.
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I think the "handicaps" (I use the term loosely) that you don't notice right away might be harder because people think you are normal in every way. This goes both for physical and mental handicaps.
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On September 24 2009 00:47 Hawk wrote:
^^^gimpy^^^
there's deaf people that come into my work a lot with postcards for $5, with a note saying 'im deaf and cant work, please help me'
what the hell is hat
Usually a scam.
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i'm going to have to mostly agree with fakesteve on this one.
one the biggest handicaps anyone can have is the thought that they are handicapped. i mean, look, i ran track in highschool and was pretty good at it. but no matter how hard i ever tried, i never was, and never would have been, as good as michael johnson at the 400. does that make me handicapped?
there is not a single person alive with a perfect physical body. so, you can either agree that everyone has a handicap or no one has a handicap. either way, we're all in the same boat. when people start talking about mental or physical "disabilities" (disability here is used sarcastically) they are only making "normal" (so is normal) people feel guilty while at the same time making "disabled" people feel both unable and deserving.
SO, should you open a door for the guy behind you that has no arms? you're dang right you better, you piece of crap. however, is that guy any less "able" than you are? well, yes, at opening doors, but no, not at life. so, "disabled" people, quit using your "disability" as a crutch to lean on throughout life, because if you don't see your disability for exactly that, you will find yourself leaning.
p.s. no, i am not disabled, or, you could say that i am. either way, you are right.
another p.s. for anyone feeling "inspired" by these stories, you are only looking down your nose at these people to find your inspiration, for "if they can do it, certainly i can" is quite a pathetic means of finding that inspiration.
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Why so much anger? I just thought that it could be a nice vid to watch and to see someone actually do something more than "I'm handicapped, I can't have a normal life, pity me please".
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has a person with down syndrome ever become an independently successful person?
kind of random, but I'm just curious
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On September 24 2009 03:20 danl9rm wrote:
i'm going to have to mostly agree with fakesteve on this one.
one the biggest handicaps anyone can have is the thought that they are handicapped. i mean, look, i ran track in highschool and was pretty good at it. but no matter how hard i ever tried, i never was, and never would have been, as good as michael johnson at the 400. does that make me handicapped?
there is not a single person alive with a perfect physical body. so, you can either agree that everyone has a handicap or no one has a handicap. either way, we're all in the same boat. when people start talking about mental or physical "disabilities" (disability here is used sarcastically) they are only making "normal" (so is normal) people feel guilty while at the same time making "disabled" people feel both unable and deserving.
SO, should you open a door for the guy behind you that has no arms? you're dang right you better, you piece of crap. however, is that guy any less "able" than you are? well, yes, at opening doors, but no, not at life. so, "disabled" people, quit using your "disability" as a crutch to lean on throughout life, because if you don't see your disability for exactly that, you will find yourself leaning.
p.s. no, i am not disabled, or, you could say that i am. either way, you are right.
another p.s. for anyone feeling "inspired" by these stories, you are only looking down your nose at these people to find your inspiration, for "if they can do it, certainly i can" is quite a pathetic means of finding that inspiration.
Did you seriously just say that a guy without arms isn't more disabled at life than you are?
wow...
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On September 24 2009 04:06 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2009 03:20 danl9rm wrote:
i'm going to have to mostly agree with fakesteve on this one.
one the biggest handicaps anyone can have is the thought that they are handicapped. i mean, look, i ran track in highschool and was pretty good at it. but no matter how hard i ever tried, i never was, and never would have been, as good as michael johnson at the 400. does that make me handicapped?
there is not a single person alive with a perfect physical body. so, you can either agree that everyone has a handicap or no one has a handicap. either way, we're all in the same boat. when people start talking about mental or physical "disabilities" (disability here is used sarcastically) they are only making "normal" (so is normal) people feel guilty while at the same time making "disabled" people feel both unable and deserving.
SO, should you open a door for the guy behind you that has no arms? you're dang right you better, you piece of crap. however, is that guy any less "able" than you are? well, yes, at opening doors, but no, not at life. so, "disabled" people, quit using your "disability" as a crutch to lean on throughout life, because if you don't see your disability for exactly that, you will find yourself leaning.
p.s. no, i am not disabled, or, you could say that i am. either way, you are right.
another p.s. for anyone feeling "inspired" by these stories, you are only looking down your nose at these people to find your inspiration, for "if they can do it, certainly i can" is quite a pathetic means of finding that inspiration. Did you seriously just say that a guy without arms isn't more disabled at life than you are? wow...
i don't think that was his message 0_o
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On September 24 2009 04:06 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2009 03:20 danl9rm wrote:
i'm going to have to mostly agree with fakesteve on this one.
one the biggest handicaps anyone can have is the thought that they are handicapped. i mean, look, i ran track in highschool and was pretty good at it. but no matter how hard i ever tried, i never was, and never would have been, as good as michael johnson at the 400. does that make me handicapped?
there is not a single person alive with a perfect physical body. so, you can either agree that everyone has a handicap or no one has a handicap. either way, we're all in the same boat. when people start talking about mental or physical "disabilities" (disability here is used sarcastically) they are only making "normal" (so is normal) people feel guilty while at the same time making "disabled" people feel both unable and deserving.
SO, should you open a door for the guy behind you that has no arms? you're dang right you better, you piece of crap. however, is that guy any less "able" than you are? well, yes, at opening doors, but no, not at life. so, "disabled" people, quit using your "disability" as a crutch to lean on throughout life, because if you don't see your disability for exactly that, you will find yourself leaning.
p.s. no, i am not disabled, or, you could say that i am. either way, you are right.
another p.s. for anyone feeling "inspired" by these stories, you are only looking down your nose at these people to find your inspiration, for "if they can do it, certainly i can" is quite a pathetic means of finding that inspiration. Did you seriously just say that a guy without arms isn't more disabled at life than you are? wow...
Well, I think that the point coming across here is that having no arms certainly is a physical disadvantage, but mainly, you can still lead a life and obtain the things you desire. The OP contains the example of the guy without arms having accomplished so much that one would normally think impossible otherwise, even given his disability.
I mean, I don't agree that a man without arms is not less able than a regular person, because obviously, the guy has no arms! He wouldn't be able to play open doors, play most sports, and reach out and grab things in the conventional manner; however, the man may also find it that much more of a challenge and take it upon himself with extra motivation to overcome that disability. Again, I refer to the guy mentioned in the OP.
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Of course you can still manage to achieve things and be happy even with a grave disability, but suggesting that life for a man without arms isn't going to be a huge struggle and that he should 'quit using his "disability" as a crutch' is ignorant and disrespectful.
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I agree with you Orome but I think the point is to have people stop blaming their disabilities for so many things. I think we have all seen the deaf person handing out cards/pins/etc. for example, but underlying that is the assumption that because they're deaf they can't make a living? I'm certain deaf people can do most jobs with not much more difficulty than someone who is normal. When you constantly have your name-tagged, socially recognized disability at your side, ready to use it to justify almost any shortcoming you have, that's a shame too because your mindset becomes an additional handicap...
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For once I really agree with FakeSteve.
Not that he was right about the PvT imbalance though .
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On September 24 2009 05:16 Orome wrote:
Of course you can still manage to achieve things and be happy even with a grave disability, but suggesting that life for a man without arms isn't going to be a huge struggle and that he should 'quit using his "disability" as a crutch' is ignorant and disrespectful.
Seriously, I mean how the hell are you going to masturbate?
On a more serious note, if I ever lost my arms, I'd probably try to end my life, but I'd fail because I have no fucking arms to pull the trigger. FML
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On September 25 2009 00:55 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2009 05:16 Orome wrote:
Of course you can still manage to achieve things and be happy even with a grave disability, but suggesting that life for a man without arms isn't going to be a huge struggle and that he should 'quit using his "disability" as a crutch' is ignorant and disrespectful. Seriously, I mean how the hell are you going to masturbate? On a more serious note, if I ever lost my arms, I'd probably try to end my life, but I'd fail because I have no fucking arms to pull the trigger. FML
uhhhmmm.... try to learn autofellatio?
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