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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17244 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 19:25:17
September 23 2009 15:28 GMT
#1
I've been randomly cruising the internet the other day and I have found something really worth sharing with you all. This stuff is funny, smart and very real. It's really interesting to see disabled people challenge their own condition and in many cases become more able than any ordinary person.

Here is a very nice speech by one of them, Bill Shannon (some of you probably know him from the Visa commercial or RJD2 video clip "Work it Out").

http://poptech.org/popcasts/bill_shannon__poptech_2007

I'd also like to show you one more thing, that I've seen during my classes but unfortunately I can't find it
It was a BBC documentary about a man who was a victim of Thalomide (he was born without arms) and despite that achieved many great things (took part in the olympics, swimming and target shooting; was playing for one of the major teams in AFL; driving his own car; having a family etc. etc.). If anyone would find it, please let me know.

*
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-23 15:40:10
September 23 2009 15:39 GMT
#2
everybody's got problems. i don't see what's so noble or extraordinary about handling them and getting things done within your life

i'm physically handicapped in a pretty terrible way, that doesn't mean it's any more impressive that i can do something than someone who isn't handicapped in the same way

plus a whole ton of people don't have any physical problems but are right fucked up in the head, and most of them manage to lead normal lives as well

cripples-turned-motivational-speakers ought to speak with a message that says 'quit your bitching and deal with your shit so you can do what you wanna do' rather than 'anything is possible if you just try hard enough'
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32049 Posts
September 23 2009 15:47 GMT
#3
^^^gimpy^^^

there's deaf people that come into my work a lot with postcards for $5, with a note saying 'im deaf and cant work, please help me'

what the hell is hat
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 23 2009 16:12 GMT
#4
Personally I don't find things like this inspirational. What's wrong with me?
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
September 23 2009 16:23 GMT
#5
I don't understand.. He can skateboard but something wrong with hips?
Entusman #51
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
September 23 2009 17:09 GMT
#6
On September 24 2009 01:23 Mobius wrote:
I don't understand.. He can skateboard but something wrong with hips?

you probably didnt watch the whole video.
I dont blame you though, I personally thought it was slightly boring aside from when we saw him do tricks
Bebop Berserker
Profile Joined April 2009
United States246 Posts
September 23 2009 17:37 GMT
#7
haha. I love when everyone else on TL feels the same way I do. I didnt mind him because he didn't try to play on the whole handicapped thing as hard as he could have, but at the same time I just think, "your a pretty mediocre dancer".
Whatever happens, happens.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 23 2009 17:49 GMT
#8
My friends parents are both deaf and they live just fine, im sure they overcame things in their lives but they seem completely normal and they never begged anyone to treat them differently.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
September 23 2009 17:55 GMT
#9
I think the "handicaps" (I use the term loosely) that you don't notice right away might be harder because people think you are normal in every way. This goes both for physical and mental handicaps.

I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
September 23 2009 18:06 GMT
#10
On September 24 2009 00:47 Hawk wrote:
^^^gimpy^^^

there's deaf people that come into my work a lot with postcards for $5, with a note saying 'im deaf and cant work, please help me'

what the hell is hat


Usually a scam.
Hi.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
September 23 2009 18:20 GMT
#11
i'm going to have to mostly agree with fakesteve on this one.

one the biggest handicaps anyone can have is the thought that they are handicapped. i mean, look, i ran track in highschool and was pretty good at it. but no matter how hard i ever tried, i never was, and never would have been, as good as michael johnson at the 400. does that make me handicapped?

there is not a single person alive with a perfect physical body. so, you can either agree that everyone has a handicap or no one has a handicap. either way, we're all in the same boat. when people start talking about mental or physical "disabilities" (disability here is used sarcastically) they are only making "normal" (so is normal) people feel guilty while at the same time making "disabled" people feel both unable and deserving.

SO, should you open a door for the guy behind you that has no arms? you're dang right you better, you piece of crap. however, is that guy any less "able" than you are? well, yes, at opening doors, but no, not at life. so, "disabled" people, quit using your "disability" as a crutch to lean on throughout life, because if you don't see your disability for exactly that, you will find yourself leaning.

p.s. no, i am not disabled, or, you could say that i am. either way, you are right.

another p.s. for anyone feeling "inspired" by these stories, you are only looking down your nose at these people to find your inspiration, for "if they can do it, certainly i can" is quite a pathetic means of finding that inspiration.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17244 Posts
September 23 2009 18:57 GMT
#12
Why so much anger? I just thought that it could be a nice vid to watch and to see someone actually do something more than "I'm handicapped, I can't have a normal life, pity me please".
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
September 23 2009 19:05 GMT
#13
has a person with down syndrome ever become an independently successful person?

kind of random, but I'm just curious
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 23 2009 19:06 GMT
#14
On September 24 2009 03:20 danl9rm wrote:
i'm going to have to mostly agree with fakesteve on this one.

one the biggest handicaps anyone can have is the thought that they are handicapped. i mean, look, i ran track in highschool and was pretty good at it. but no matter how hard i ever tried, i never was, and never would have been, as good as michael johnson at the 400. does that make me handicapped?

there is not a single person alive with a perfect physical body. so, you can either agree that everyone has a handicap or no one has a handicap. either way, we're all in the same boat. when people start talking about mental or physical "disabilities" (disability here is used sarcastically) they are only making "normal" (so is normal) people feel guilty while at the same time making "disabled" people feel both unable and deserving.

SO, should you open a door for the guy behind you that has no arms? you're dang right you better, you piece of crap. however, is that guy any less "able" than you are? well, yes, at opening doors, but no, not at life. so, "disabled" people, quit using your "disability" as a crutch to lean on throughout life, because if you don't see your disability for exactly that, you will find yourself leaning.

p.s. no, i am not disabled, or, you could say that i am. either way, you are right.

another p.s. for anyone feeling "inspired" by these stories, you are only looking down your nose at these people to find your inspiration, for "if they can do it, certainly i can" is quite a pathetic means of finding that inspiration.


Did you seriously just say that a guy without arms isn't more disabled at life than you are?

wow...
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
September 23 2009 19:09 GMT
#15
On September 24 2009 04:06 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2009 03:20 danl9rm wrote:
i'm going to have to mostly agree with fakesteve on this one.

one the biggest handicaps anyone can have is the thought that they are handicapped. i mean, look, i ran track in highschool and was pretty good at it. but no matter how hard i ever tried, i never was, and never would have been, as good as michael johnson at the 400. does that make me handicapped?

there is not a single person alive with a perfect physical body. so, you can either agree that everyone has a handicap or no one has a handicap. either way, we're all in the same boat. when people start talking about mental or physical "disabilities" (disability here is used sarcastically) they are only making "normal" (so is normal) people feel guilty while at the same time making "disabled" people feel both unable and deserving.

SO, should you open a door for the guy behind you that has no arms? you're dang right you better, you piece of crap. however, is that guy any less "able" than you are? well, yes, at opening doors, but no, not at life. so, "disabled" people, quit using your "disability" as a crutch to lean on throughout life, because if you don't see your disability for exactly that, you will find yourself leaning.

p.s. no, i am not disabled, or, you could say that i am. either way, you are right.

another p.s. for anyone feeling "inspired" by these stories, you are only looking down your nose at these people to find your inspiration, for "if they can do it, certainly i can" is quite a pathetic means of finding that inspiration.


Did you seriously just say that a guy without arms isn't more disabled at life than you are?

wow...


i don't think that was his message 0_o
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
September 23 2009 19:26 GMT
#16
On September 24 2009 04:06 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2009 03:20 danl9rm wrote:
i'm going to have to mostly agree with fakesteve on this one.

one the biggest handicaps anyone can have is the thought that they are handicapped. i mean, look, i ran track in highschool and was pretty good at it. but no matter how hard i ever tried, i never was, and never would have been, as good as michael johnson at the 400. does that make me handicapped?

there is not a single person alive with a perfect physical body. so, you can either agree that everyone has a handicap or no one has a handicap. either way, we're all in the same boat. when people start talking about mental or physical "disabilities" (disability here is used sarcastically) they are only making "normal" (so is normal) people feel guilty while at the same time making "disabled" people feel both unable and deserving.

SO, should you open a door for the guy behind you that has no arms? you're dang right you better, you piece of crap. however, is that guy any less "able" than you are? well, yes, at opening doors, but no, not at life. so, "disabled" people, quit using your "disability" as a crutch to lean on throughout life, because if you don't see your disability for exactly that, you will find yourself leaning.

p.s. no, i am not disabled, or, you could say that i am. either way, you are right.

another p.s. for anyone feeling "inspired" by these stories, you are only looking down your nose at these people to find your inspiration, for "if they can do it, certainly i can" is quite a pathetic means of finding that inspiration.


Did you seriously just say that a guy without arms isn't more disabled at life than you are?

wow...


Well, I think that the point coming across here is that having no arms certainly is a physical disadvantage, but mainly, you can still lead a life and obtain the things you desire. The OP contains the example of the guy without arms having accomplished so much that one would normally think impossible otherwise, even given his disability.

I mean, I don't agree that a man without arms is not less able than a regular person, because obviously, the guy has no arms! He wouldn't be able to play open doors, play most sports, and reach out and grab things in the conventional manner; however, the man may also find it that much more of a challenge and take it upon himself with extra motivation to overcome that disability. Again, I refer to the guy mentioned in the OP.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 23 2009 20:16 GMT
#17
Of course you can still manage to achieve things and be happy even with a grave disability, but suggesting that life for a man without arms isn't going to be a huge struggle and that he should 'quit using his "disability" as a crutch' is ignorant and disrespectful.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Pseudo_Utopia
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada827 Posts
September 23 2009 21:39 GMT
#18
I agree with you Orome but I think the point is to have people stop blaming their disabilities for so many things. I think we have all seen the deaf person handing out cards/pins/etc. for example, but underlying that is the assumption that because they're deaf they can't make a living? I'm certain deaf people can do most jobs with not much more difficulty than someone who is normal. When you constantly have your name-tagged, socially recognized disability at your side, ready to use it to justify almost any shortcoming you have, that's a shame too because your mindset becomes an additional handicap...
Retired SchiSm[LighT]
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
September 24 2009 08:09 GMT
#19
For once I really agree with FakeSteve.
Not that he was right about the PvT imbalance though.
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 24 2009 15:55 GMT
#20
On September 24 2009 05:16 Orome wrote:
Of course you can still manage to achieve things and be happy even with a grave disability, but suggesting that life for a man without arms isn't going to be a huge struggle and that he should 'quit using his "disability" as a crutch' is ignorant and disrespectful.


Seriously, I mean how the hell are you going to masturbate?

On a more serious note, if I ever lost my arms, I'd probably try to end my life, but I'd fail because I have no fucking arms to pull the trigger. FML
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