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armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-30 23:22:19
September 30 2009 23:21 GMT
#81
On September 23 2009 12:23 TheYango wrote:
...

Despite the desire to compare a game like Starcraft to a sport, the gaming industry as a whole is far more analogous to other entertainment media like cinema or music.

What I feel makes the divide between videogame players much different than the other ones you mentioned is that with videogames, it's not that people have different approaches to the same thing, it's that they're all playing very different things that have been generalised under a really flawed umbrella term. What people call a videogame is really any set of electronically handled rules that respond to input, with the output being meant only for entertainment. Whether those rules are meant for competition or simply to act as an entertainment experience is something that's completely ignored, because generally people only have experience with one of the two and apply their assumptions about one to the other.

It's ridiculous. It's the equivalent of having flamewars between people who like novels and people who like instructional manuals.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
October 01 2009 03:18 GMT
#82
1998 was the year gaming changed

goddamn thank god I was actually able to play videogames at 1998, I feel bad for people who never witnessed the golden age of gaming
dats racist
SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
October 01 2009 03:46 GMT
#83
On September 23 2009 04:47 Chill wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [amazing post] +
I don't have much to add, but I want to say this:

Starcraft players are some of the most closed-minded gamers on the planet. The majority of people are looking for something fun to pass the time, not a second job with no benefits. Starcraft players dismiss nearly every other genre. Have you ever noticed that WoW and WC3 players at live events can freely enjoy Starcraft and find it really interesting to watch? And conversely, when Starcraft players watch the other games, all they do is criticize them? This could mean that Starcraft is somehow an objectively better game, or, more likely, Starcraft players suffer a little too much from elitism.

Starcraft has shitty graphics. There is no denying this. They are fucking terrible by today's standards. Graphics are a huge part of a game. Maybe you like the graphics because they are familiar, but that doesn't make them objectively good. Why is someone who perceives something as fun because of nice graphics any different than someone who bases it on the gameplay or multiplayer experience?

Two men discuss their lives. One dates women mostly based on their personality. The other, mostly on looks. You can argue that former will have a deeper connection with his partners, and will learn almost everything about her. The latter may have a weaker connection, but will probably get bored and move onto something else. Yet they are both happy. Is one person objectively better in this case? Is one person "doing it right"? Does one person deserve to be looked down on?

Your stupid sentence,
Alot of games have come out in the past 5 years, but none of them are close to being good.
proves my point. It is this baseless brush-stroking that upsets me.


I somehow have to agree with Chill.

I actually had played SC a few times but it never clung onto me so I switched games. Played plenty of WC3 (ladder), DotA and all those custom games, WoW, CS, TF2 and many other games and I enjoyed watching vids or compilations from them.

Ever since I started prioritizing SC it's like... I just don't enjoy it as much as a good SC game.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States70 Posts
October 01 2009 13:08 GMT
#84
What level did you play Counter-Strike at that you got bored with it?

Pubs? Off-Client Pugs? Two seasons of Cal-O three years ago?

Find it very hard to believe you played at the level where you could understand the game in its competitive form and still find it "boring."

I'm sure people who only played BW on west UMS games found it boring eventually too, doesn't mean it's true, now does it?
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
October 01 2009 15:23 GMT
#85
On October 01 2009 12:18 MrHoon wrote:
1998 was the year gaming changed

goddamn thank god I was actually able to play videogames at 1998, I feel bad for people who never witnessed the golden age of gaming


I actually think 2007 was a better year overall. 1998 was fantastic as well, but when I look at some of my favorite games, most are from '07.
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