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TLnet Poll - Have the results of IPL3 and IEM Guangzhou ch…

Have the results of IPL3 and IEM Guangzhou changed your opinion on the Korea-International skill gap? :

Little to no change. (10296)48%
Moderately changed. (8665)41%
Significantly changed. (2276)11%

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33364 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 05:49:41
October 11 2011 05:43 GMT
#1
Hmm, considering that I always thought the BEST foreigners have a good shot against mid-level Koreans, and they still have almost no chance against the BEST Koreans, I don't think much has changed for me.

Look at me, replying to my own poll o/
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 11 2011 05:44 GMT
#2
Not particularly, the top foreigners like Thorzain, Huk, Idra, Stephano, have always been able to beat mid-tier Koreans.

Thorzain over MC remains the biggest foreigner win, with maybe Huk over Nada in second.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
October 11 2011 05:44 GMT
#3
Only a handful of foreigners can defeat Koreans, and not even consistently. Nothing changed.
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
October 11 2011 05:45 GMT
#4
On October 11 2011 14:43 Waxangel wrote:
Hmm, considering that I always thought the BEST foreigners always have a shot against mid-level Koreans, and they still have almost no chance against the BEST Koreans, I don't think much has changed for me.

Look at me, replying to my own poll o/

Completely agree.
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
October 11 2011 05:47 GMT
#5
These tournaments in particular didn't change much for me, but the overall trend is there. 6-9 months ago, a foreigner winning a tournament with a bunch of koreans attending was unthinkable. Koreans just walzed over everyone and apart from losing a game or two during the tournament, seemed invincible.
I don't feel like this is the case anymore.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
October 11 2011 05:50 GMT
#6
On October 11 2011 14:44 jalstar wrote:
Not particularly, the top foreigners like Thorzain, Huk, Idra, Stephano, have always been able to beat mid-tier Koreans.

Thorzain over MC remains the biggest foreigner win, with maybe Huk over Nada in second.

Huk over MC wasn't big?
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GrapeD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada679 Posts
October 11 2011 05:50 GMT
#7
I think the koreans just had a head start on foreigners because of BW in korea, so now that the foreigner scene is catching up the foreigners are going to start being equal to the koreans. As of now tho the best koreans are still way better.
Some people hurt people. I defenestrate those people.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 11 2011 05:54 GMT
#8
On October 11 2011 14:50 Yamulo wrote:
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On October 11 2011 14:44 jalstar wrote:
Not particularly, the top foreigners like Thorzain, Huk, Idra, Stephano, have always been able to beat mid-tier Koreans.

Thorzain over MC remains the biggest foreigner win, with maybe Huk over Nada in second.

Huk over MC wasn't big?


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theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
October 11 2011 05:54 GMT
#9
Foreigners have the soul, koreans have the regiment.

You may be special, but you're not going to be consistently dominant over someone who trains 10x as hard as you.

Until foreigners are able to adhere to a regime akin to that of the koreans, the skill game will always be there.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
ragealot
Profile Joined July 2011
432 Posts
October 11 2011 05:56 GMT
#10
Anyone who watched last season's Code A can see the top foreigners are capable of beating Koreans, but it's more a question of can they compete with the best of Code S, NesTea/MVP/Bomber excluded. I'd say right now only about four or five are capable so nothing's changed.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 11 2011 05:57 GMT
#11
Lucky beating MMA and Ryung was a bigger suprise than Stephano beating Lucky
Carrilord has arrived.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 05:58:39
October 11 2011 05:57 GMT
#12
i always said some of the korean winners had "easy" brackets and was lucky other koreans kicked out strong foreign before they was kicked out themself

also alot of foreigns run in their worst matchups often or perfom WAY under skill (Idra every 2nd tournament see him vs ogsstc where he played not on 5%)

i think it was just a matter of time and think! Stephano plays ~3 hours a day on ladder not like 12 hour korean progaminmg schelude with train allys

ps: alot guys here forget hsc3 naniwa and huk beat mc, and that dimaga is the only zerg that crushed nestea (offline IN korea)
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 11 2011 05:59 GMT
#13
Slight change only because I am an optimist, and the interview with FXOz was really interesting.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
October 11 2011 06:04 GMT
#14
The thing is that it's Korea vs the rest of the world and Korea still has the best of the best as well as a greater number of great players. Surely there will be a few individuals throughout the entirety of the planet that can compete with some of the better Koreans. But you have to remember that it's literally everyone vs the Koreans so a few players competing with the Koreans doesn't mean that foreigners as a whole can compete with Korea.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
October 11 2011 06:06 GMT
#15
1 result doesn't = trend for me. little to no change. ask this after the next MLG and we see the results for that.
dala
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden477 Posts
October 11 2011 06:07 GMT
#16
More surprised about which foreign players are doing well.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
October 11 2011 06:08 GMT
#17
On October 11 2011 14:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 14:50 Yamulo wrote:
On October 11 2011 14:44 jalstar wrote:
Not particularly, the top foreigners like Thorzain, Huk, Idra, Stephano, have always been able to beat mid-tier Koreans.

Thorzain over MC remains the biggest foreigner win, with maybe Huk over Nada in second.

Huk over MC wasn't big?


+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
only zerg ever to do it in a televised series

completely forgot about that ^^, yeah that was huge. Diamaga vs MVP as well ^^
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
Doof
Profile Joined October 2010
United States204 Posts
October 11 2011 06:19 GMT
#18
I'm surprised at how many different foreigners are competing so well. Even the ones who aren't winning (Ret, for example) can give great games and are clearly at the same level as the mid-tier Koreans.
Every day should be a good day to die
lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
October 11 2011 06:23 GMT
#19
Well considering the recent run of koreans through MLG and other events, where even mid to low level code s players were getting like 70% win rates, I had a increasingly negative view about the foreign scene. But "we" won two tournies, with actually really good players in them [puma, mma] so yeah it has hugely changed my view.
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
October 11 2011 06:35 GMT
#20
Opinions on something as major as a skill level difference shouldn't change over a weekend or two.

If foreigners take half the tournaments over the course of 2-3 months, then I'll acknowledge it.
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