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On December 10 2022 23:18 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2022 19:42 warding wrote:On December 10 2022 18:11 RvB wrote:On December 10 2022 08:30 warding wrote:On December 10 2022 07:39 Acrofales wrote:On December 10 2022 07:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well... The Netherlands and Argentina are now mortal enemies. I don't really see why. It was a heated match, but this was really child's play compared to that one fateful match between Netherlands and Portugal in 2006. Or Netherlands vs Germany in 1990. That's what it takes to become mortal enemies (although in the case of Germany, we already were mortal enemies, that match just cemented the rivalry continue for another generation), not a match without even a single red.. The dutch started it with Boulahrouz intentionally injuring Ronaldo with van Basten laughing in the bench. I've hated the dutch teams since then. Lots of great matches this world cup. Time to prepare the game luck rituals for tomorrow. Van Basten is pretty famous for wanting to play attractive football and giving his players instructions to make the game fun to watch for everyone. He wasn't laughing because Ronaldo got injured. The worst thing about these types of games is the victim complex of fans. Dirty games like this happen when it's a tough match, emotions are high and the referee loses control. It takes two to tango. According to an interview with the fourth referee who allegedly was next to him, he laughed at the injury. https://www.soyfutbol.com/tendencias/Chiquimarco-revela-que-mandaron-lesionar-a-Cristiano-Ronaldo-en-un-Mundial-20220926-0044.html Van Bommel and Boulahrouz were clearly trying to stir shit up, it wasn't just tension from the match, it came in the first few minutes. Imagine Croatia playing Argentina in the semis and doing 2-3 cynical fouls on Messi in the first few minutes and getting him off the pitch injured. That is kind of thin don't you think? According to someone who was allegedly next to someone who speaks a totally different language. Neither is that any indication that Ronaldo was injured on purpose. It's beside the point anyway. That game was incredibly dirty from both sides and justifying that behaviour because Boulahrouz made one ridiculous foul is a childs argument. That Boulahrouz made a foul on Ronaldo does not mean you can start sliding with studs up, hitting ankles and headbutting.
Yeah it might be childish. I reserve my maturity for other things like parenthood or business. This is football and I allow myself to be petty and immature so if your team injures my team's star player sixteen years ago in a way that I deem intentional, I'm going to hate your team until further notice.
Maybe if you guys come up with exciting players again I might change my mind. This current Dutch team is not going to.
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On December 10 2022 23:55 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2022 23:18 RvB wrote:On December 10 2022 19:42 warding wrote:On December 10 2022 18:11 RvB wrote:On December 10 2022 08:30 warding wrote:On December 10 2022 07:39 Acrofales wrote:On December 10 2022 07:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well... The Netherlands and Argentina are now mortal enemies. I don't really see why. It was a heated match, but this was really child's play compared to that one fateful match between Netherlands and Portugal in 2006. Or Netherlands vs Germany in 1990. That's what it takes to become mortal enemies (although in the case of Germany, we already were mortal enemies, that match just cemented the rivalry continue for another generation), not a match without even a single red.. The dutch started it with Boulahrouz intentionally injuring Ronaldo with van Basten laughing in the bench. I've hated the dutch teams since then. Lots of great matches this world cup. Time to prepare the game luck rituals for tomorrow. Van Basten is pretty famous for wanting to play attractive football and giving his players instructions to make the game fun to watch for everyone. He wasn't laughing because Ronaldo got injured. The worst thing about these types of games is the victim complex of fans. Dirty games like this happen when it's a tough match, emotions are high and the referee loses control. It takes two to tango. According to an interview with the fourth referee who allegedly was next to him, he laughed at the injury. https://www.soyfutbol.com/tendencias/Chiquimarco-revela-que-mandaron-lesionar-a-Cristiano-Ronaldo-en-un-Mundial-20220926-0044.html Van Bommel and Boulahrouz were clearly trying to stir shit up, it wasn't just tension from the match, it came in the first few minutes. Imagine Croatia playing Argentina in the semis and doing 2-3 cynical fouls on Messi in the first few minutes and getting him off the pitch injured. That is kind of thin don't you think? According to someone who was allegedly next to someone who speaks a totally different language. Neither is that any indication that Ronaldo was injured on purpose. It's beside the point anyway. That game was incredibly dirty from both sides and justifying that behaviour because Boulahrouz made one ridiculous foul is a childs argument. That Boulahrouz made a foul on Ronaldo does not mean you can start sliding with studs up, hitting ankles and headbutting. Yeah it might be childish. I reserve my maturity for other things like parenthood or business. This is football and I allow myself to be petty and immature so if your team injures my team's star player sixteen years ago in a way that I deem purposeful, I'm going to hate your team until further notice.Maybe if you guys come up with exciting players again I might change my mind. This current Dutch team is not going to.
This is why its absolutely hilarious and always will be every time Haaland scores against Man United.
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On December 10 2022 23:15 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2022 23:08 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 10 2022 23:04 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 10 2022 22:44 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 10 2022 22:40 RKC wrote:
Oh aside from sentimentality of missing out a Brazil-Argentina classico, I'm not actually that bothered about Brazil losing. I always felt their squad was somewhat overrated and lacked balance (not solid enough defence and midfield). I wasn't rooting or even expecting them to win the WC anyways.
I'm more bothered about the possibility of a team advancing to the finals or even winning the whole cup by drawing all knockout games in regular time and winning on penalties. Italy winning on penalties in the final and semies in the last Euro left a bad taste for me. Don't want a repeat of that. Sounds speculative, but I can imagine that some teams will actually master a playstyle that will effectively neutralise all other attacking play by the opponents. Effectively forcing every knockout round to a penalty coinfilp. Obviously, only a team with less quality in skill and technique would this. It's just a frightening prospect if teams actually trained their players and prep towards this stalemate-until-penalties strat. Kills the joy out of the game of football. Man City, for example, have to play against this type of football for about 25-30 games per season and still come out on top. With a pretty big budget advantage. That's irrelevant though. The discussion is about smaller teams with worse players trying to hold out for a draw/penalties. Whether you're talking about City's budget advantage or Brazil's player advantage, the effect is the same, a team full of superstars having to break down an organized side trying to hold out. Expanded my answer above to emphasize my point. My guess (I could be wrong) is that people want to see the best team win. Football is hardly fair and best is subjective, but there are clear cases of teams not wanting to play the ball at all during the 90/120. I can see where RKC comes from. Theres entertainment in watching Croatias workrate during 120 minutes and I can hardly say Brazil deserved the win when they defended bad while being ahead (but overall I think they played more to win, which for example wouldnt be the case with Spain). On a side note, Im scared of Croatia of course, but I was already swallowing a loss in my mind against Brazil.
Croatia had a gameplan and executed it very well. Their midfielders were in control and kept Brazil away from the danger zones. Defenders and GK also played their parts well. Their strike force is short of world class quality, so can't really expect more from them. Overall, Croatia ticked all the boxes.
As for Brazil, still hard to say where they went wrong. Their attackers created enough against a solid and stubborn Croatian wall. Neymar's goal was a beauty. Casemiro and Paqueta aren't better than Modric and Kovacic in quality. If not of the lapse of focus that led to the goal, most people would probably think they did well enough against the last WC runner-up. Croatia's goal took a wicked deflection that fooled Alisson (their only shot on target). So yeah, Brazil could've been more clinical and won in 90 minutes on a good day. But it wasn't a terrible performance.
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On December 10 2022 18:28 RKC wrote:
There is a difference between rooting for an underdog which plays like a champion and an underdog which plays like a loser. Obviously I'm exaggerating the difference, and underdogs can fall somewhere between both extreme ends of the spectrum. And whether underdog is truly good or bad can be a subjective question. But the point is that it's silly to root for an underdog simply because they're an underdog.
I’d broadly agree, for me you want at least one big underdog story.
When you get too many, and they aren’t a result of stellar football but riding luck and grit out, the latter stages suffer.
Think 2002 where, individually I enjoyed the runs of a Turkey or South Korea but it ended up being a cakewalk for Brazil with only really England pushing them.
Upsets make it interesting but equally you do want to see those Maru/Serral kinda showdowns too.
I like Croatia so can’t begrudge them a win, equally a Brazil/Argentina showdown, given the kinda crowds they’ve been bringing to Qatar would have been potentially a very memorable semi final indeed
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I never really liked football all that much.
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And suddenly the portuguese are all going down like they have been shot.
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On December 11 2022 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
And suddenly the portuguese are all going down like they have been shot.
Fernandes needs booking for that dive in the area.
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Time to activate GOAT mode?
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Morocco is kinda the anti France, lots of players born elsewhere from Moroccans heritage. A EU team in disguise.
Also French Portuguese are unsufferable, like how Portugal is great and all and France clubs are shit (we know it's true, no need to remind us all the time), and they're like the Frenchiest people, like stop claming you're a foreigner dude, you're so fucking French.
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On December 11 2022 00:52 nojok wrote:
Morocco is kinda the anti France, lots of players born elsewhere from Moroccans heritage. A EU team in disguise.
Also French Portuguese are unsufferable, like how Portugal is great and all and France clubs are shit (we know it's true, no need to remind us all the time), and they're like the Frenchiest people, like stop claming you're a foreigner dude, you're so fucking French.
Well I'll have you know the French in Portugal are... driving up house prices and gentrifying the shit out of Lisbon so I think we're even. Be thankful for half of Daft Punk and Robert Pires will you.
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On December 11 2022 00:54 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2022 00:52 nojok wrote:
Morocco is kinda the anti France, lots of players born elsewhere from Moroccans heritage. A EU team in disguise.
Also French Portuguese are unsufferable, like how Portugal is great and all and France clubs are shit (we know it's true, no need to remind us all the time), and they're like the Frenchiest people, like stop claming you're a foreigner dude, you're so fucking French. Well I'll have you know the French in Portugal are... driving up house prices and gentrifying the shit out of Lisbon so I think we're even. Be thankful for half of Daft Punk and Robert Pires will you.
No grudge against Portuguese, it's just fun how they claim strong ties and all when we're so close and they blended so fast. It's the same stuff with Italians or Poles, except Poles never bragged about Polish football. It's just, they bragged so much, 2016 was heaven for them (and they definitely celebrated 2018 too).
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On December 11 2022 01:06 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2022 00:54 warding wrote:On December 11 2022 00:52 nojok wrote:
Morocco is kinda the anti France, lots of players born elsewhere from Moroccans heritage. A EU team in disguise.
Also French Portuguese are unsufferable, like how Portugal is great and all and France clubs are shit (we know it's true, no need to remind us all the time), and they're like the Frenchiest people, like stop claming you're a foreigner dude, you're so fucking French. Well I'll have you know the French in Portugal are... driving up house prices and gentrifying the shit out of Lisbon so I think we're even. Be thankful for half of Daft Punk and Robert Pires will you. No grudge against Portuguese, it's just fun how they claim strong ties and all when we're so close and they blended so fast. It's the same stuff with Italians or Poles, except Poles never bragged about Polish football. It's just, they bragged so much, 2016 was heaven for them (and they definitely celebrated 2018 too).
It's funny you claim them to be the Frenchiest people because when they come for holidays in Portugal they look like the Portuguesiest of people.
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So basically France v Morocco will be an epic grudge match. Something to root for then.
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Here comes Leao. 20 minutes to break through, idk if Morocco can hold
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On December 11 2022 01:10 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2022 01:06 nojok wrote:On December 11 2022 00:54 warding wrote:On December 11 2022 00:52 nojok wrote:
Morocco is kinda the anti France, lots of players born elsewhere from Moroccans heritage. A EU team in disguise.
Also French Portuguese are unsufferable, like how Portugal is great and all and France clubs are shit (we know it's true, no need to remind us all the time), and they're like the Frenchiest people, like stop claming you're a foreigner dude, you're so fucking French. Well I'll have you know the French in Portugal are... driving up house prices and gentrifying the shit out of Lisbon so I think we're even. Be thankful for half of Daft Punk and Robert Pires will you. No grudge against Portuguese, it's just fun how they claim strong ties and all when we're so close and they blended so fast. It's the same stuff with Italians or Poles, except Poles never bragged about Polish football. It's just, they bragged so much, 2016 was heaven for them (and they definitely celebrated 2018 too). It's funny you claim them to be the Frenchiest people because when they come for holidays in Portugal they look like the Portuguesiest of people.
I guess we're that close.
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Will Portugal have a decent cross today ?
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On December 11 2022 01:28 DropBear wrote:
Here comes Leao. 20 minutes to break through, idk if Morocco can hold
Any portuguese can enlighten me on why he doesnt start? POR seem much more dangerous with him on.
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