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warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2394 Posts
December 02 2022 17:40 GMT
#761
On December 03 2022 02:37 plasmidghost wrote:
I don't see any outcome to these last two matches besides Brazil and Switzerland winning by at least 2 each

Is Switzerland that much better than Serbia?
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
December 02 2022 17:42 GMT
#762
On December 03 2022 02:33 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2022 02:05 sharkie wrote:
Asian football showing it to the Europeans and South Americans

If Taremi actually tried to score rather than fall down in the dying minutes in the US game, Iran would have made it too. I thought Iran actually had the best chance to go through of the Asian sides when the draw was done in April, but these results are awesome.

Saudi Arabia - down 0-1, win 2-1 vs Argentina
Japan - down 0-1, win 2-1 vs Germany
Japan - down 0-1, win 2-1 vs Spain
South Korea - down 0-1, win 2-1 vs Portugal
Quite a pattern!

Just messaged the Croatian coach and told him to be up 1-0 at halftime
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
December 02 2022 17:45 GMT
#763
On December 03 2022 02:42 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2022 02:33 don_kyuhote wrote:
On December 03 2022 02:05 sharkie wrote:
Asian football showing it to the Europeans and South Americans

If Taremi actually tried to score rather than fall down in the dying minutes in the US game, Iran would have made it too. I thought Iran actually had the best chance to go through of the Asian sides when the draw was done in April, but these results are awesome.

Saudi Arabia - down 0-1, win 2-1 vs Argentina
Japan - down 0-1, win 2-1 vs Germany
Japan - down 0-1, win 2-1 vs Spain
South Korea - down 0-1, win 2-1 vs Portugal
Quite a pattern!

Just messaged the Croatian coach and told him to be up 1-0 at halftime

His team never scored 1st so far in the WC, but neither has Japan
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
December 02 2022 17:46 GMT
#764
Such an exciting World Cup with these upsets and last-minute eliminations of this magnitude.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9154 Posts
December 02 2022 17:48 GMT
#765
On December 03 2022 02:40 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2022 02:37 plasmidghost wrote:
I don't see any outcome to these last two matches besides Brazil and Switzerland winning by at least 2 each

Is Switzerland that much better than Serbia?

Switzerland is a chameleon, their games look evenly matched no matter who they play
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
December 02 2022 17:49 GMT
#766
On December 03 2022 02:40 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2022 02:37 plasmidghost wrote:
I don't see any outcome to these last two matches besides Brazil and Switzerland winning by at least 2 each

Is Switzerland that much better than Serbia?

I think so. Their performance vs Cameroon and Brazil didn't convince me
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
December 02 2022 18:10 GMT
#767
On December 03 2022 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2022 02:13 DropBear wrote:
On December 03 2022 02:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 03 2022 02:05 sharkie wrote:
Asian football showing it to the Europeans and South Americans

Let's not forget that both of those Asian teams played against opponents who did not have to give their best.

Denmark had to though

Yes, in my opinion Denmark has been overrated for quite a while.

Boooo!

They’re a good side, just really didn’t show up this tournament. Not an incredible one

I think it’s a toss up between Poland and Serbia for most consistently underwhelming European sides these days. They almost invariably qualify and then never do anything of much note. No real standout performance or deep run, they just kinda qualify, aren’t good, aren’t terrible. They don’t really have a huge underdog angle to work off either

Just a bit ‘meh’

Exciting evening’s action so far in other news! Lovey play from Son for the winner
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-02 18:36:46
December 02 2022 18:13 GMT
#768
I just realized that Portugal, Ghana, and SK all had a role in eliminating Uruguay at the last day.

Portugal - losing to SK and beating Uruguay by 2 goals
SK- beating Portugal
Ghana - losing only by 2 goals

Uruguay eliminated all 3 of them in the knock out (2010 for SK, Ghana and 2018 for Portugal).
Wow!

Also, there seems to be a lot of teams with 4 points eliminated this WC (Ecuador, Mexico, Tunisia, Germany, Belgium, Uruguay) More so than the past WCs.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
December 02 2022 19:35 GMT
#769
Well I've greatly underestimated Serbia
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4171 Posts
December 02 2022 19:36 GMT
#770
Lol a serbian game
No quiero soñar mil veces las mismas cosas
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
December 02 2022 19:51 GMT
#771
Great game. 4 goals in one half. Let's see if Serbia is able to score in the second half.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9154 Posts
December 02 2022 19:55 GMT
#772
I can already see the Portugal vs Switzerland penalty shootout lol
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-02 20:53:33
December 02 2022 20:50 GMT
#773
As much as I love South Korea advancing, I'm going to miss Uruguay's cartoonish villainy.

LMAO, the smile on the ref as he ejects the Cameroonian player.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4386 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-02 21:02:50
December 02 2022 20:57 GMT
#774
In before several Serbians get sent off after the final whistle

edit: nevermind, that was a much less aggro finish than expected
Sucker for nostalgia
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2394 Posts
December 02 2022 21:05 GMT
#775
So one more swiss goal and they would have faced SK and Brasil would have faced Portugal. Whew
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16321 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-02 21:13:03
December 02 2022 21:10 GMT
#776
So did any team perform while rotating? Brazil and Portugal would have deserved each other.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4386 Posts
December 02 2022 21:21 GMT
#777
On December 03 2022 06:10 justanothertownie wrote:
So did any team perform while rotating? Brazil and Portugal would have deserved each other.

Not really. No team went 3 for 3, can't remember the last time that happened in groups
Sucker for nostalgia
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-02 21:49:46
December 02 2022 21:48 GMT
#778
On December 02 2022 22:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2022 22:20 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On December 02 2022 14:47 don_kyuhote wrote:
On December 02 2022 08:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:


This team will go nowhere and will embarass themselves at home in 2024 if they keep him around. Flick and the older generation (e.g. Neuer, Gundogan, Muller, etc.) all need to go. Start completely new. Start completely fresh. Build around younger players like Moukoko and Musiala. There may be some growing pains but it's better than the apathetic crap we've been stuck with for a solid 6 years.

Looks like they used up all their WC luck on that 7-1 clobbering of Brazil. Ever since that game, they had to really labor for a win at the WC at best.
2014 Final - W in OT
2018 - L, W (at the last second), L, out early
2022 - L, D, W (at the last 5 min), out early

It's crazy. Out of nearly 700 minutes of playing time since that 7-1, Germany had the lead for like 55 minutes at the WC since then?


2016 Euro's was alright, but everything since then has been bad.

They got trounced in the first season of the Nation's League and have been a non-factor in that competition since then.

They backed into the knockouts of EURO20 and then get bounced in the RO16.

And of course two group stage exits from the WC with a total record of 2-1-3.

This has really been an absolutely awful 6 years for this team. I think they need to move onto something like this lineup, including a complete coaching overhaul as well:

Moukoko
Wirtz/Musiala/Sane
Goretzka/Kimmich
Raum/Schlotterbeck/Sule/Klostermann(??)
Ter Stegen

Werner/Havertz/Brandt/Gnabry would make up some solid depth. Add a bunch of youth prospects/role players to round out the bench.

I think that lineup would be better than anything we showed at this tournament, and with the time for players like Moukoko, Wirtz, Havertz, and Schlotti to develop, it would only be better at EURO24. If my Googling was correct, this would also mean that the only player 30+ years old starting would be Ter Stegen and almost no one from the WC-winning squad would be left. I honestly think this is needed; it would inject much-needed hunger, creativity, and pace into the squad.

I agree with the offense part mostly. Depends a lot on how good moukoku will turn out to be. The players you put in the defense are the ones that have been playing a lot this wc and are simply not good enough though. They would have to improve a lot. And Brandt should not play a role in anyones plans for the future...


Brandt has had a fantastic year so far and has been one of the few consistently good players for BVB.

As for the defense, people love blaming the defense for these national teams, but the reality is that the best defense is a good offense when you are constantly facing teams that park the bus. Your offense needs to produce to relieve pressure off of your defense, which will inevitably succumb to counterattacking football if you can't score, but if you put 2 balls in the back of the net before 30 minutes, the opposing team is going to have a lot tougher time rallying to give you a shock defeat, both logistically and psychologically.

If Germany's offense hadn't been so inept, they could've been up by several goals before halftime against Japan. If that was the case, you'd be hard-pressed to argue that Japan would have scored their counterattacking goals in the same way, and even if they did, they still would've lost.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16321 Posts
December 02 2022 21:55 GMT
#779
On December 03 2022 06:48 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2022 22:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 02 2022 22:20 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On December 02 2022 14:47 don_kyuhote wrote:
On December 02 2022 08:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:


This team will go nowhere and will embarass themselves at home in 2024 if they keep him around. Flick and the older generation (e.g. Neuer, Gundogan, Muller, etc.) all need to go. Start completely new. Start completely fresh. Build around younger players like Moukoko and Musiala. There may be some growing pains but it's better than the apathetic crap we've been stuck with for a solid 6 years.

Looks like they used up all their WC luck on that 7-1 clobbering of Brazil. Ever since that game, they had to really labor for a win at the WC at best.
2014 Final - W in OT
2018 - L, W (at the last second), L, out early
2022 - L, D, W (at the last 5 min), out early

It's crazy. Out of nearly 700 minutes of playing time since that 7-1, Germany had the lead for like 55 minutes at the WC since then?


2016 Euro's was alright, but everything since then has been bad.

They got trounced in the first season of the Nation's League and have been a non-factor in that competition since then.

They backed into the knockouts of EURO20 and then get bounced in the RO16.

And of course two group stage exits from the WC with a total record of 2-1-3.

This has really been an absolutely awful 6 years for this team. I think they need to move onto something like this lineup, including a complete coaching overhaul as well:

Moukoko
Wirtz/Musiala/Sane
Goretzka/Kimmich
Raum/Schlotterbeck/Sule/Klostermann(??)
Ter Stegen

Werner/Havertz/Brandt/Gnabry would make up some solid depth. Add a bunch of youth prospects/role players to round out the bench.

I think that lineup would be better than anything we showed at this tournament, and with the time for players like Moukoko, Wirtz, Havertz, and Schlotti to develop, it would only be better at EURO24. If my Googling was correct, this would also mean that the only player 30+ years old starting would be Ter Stegen and almost no one from the WC-winning squad would be left. I honestly think this is needed; it would inject much-needed hunger, creativity, and pace into the squad.

I agree with the offense part mostly. Depends a lot on how good moukoku will turn out to be. The players you put in the defense are the ones that have been playing a lot this wc and are simply not good enough though. They would have to improve a lot. And Brandt should not play a role in anyones plans for the future...


Brandt has had a fantastic year so far and has been one of the few consistently good players for BVB.

As for the defense, people love blaming the defense for these national teams, but the reality is that the best defense is a good offense when you are constantly facing teams that park the bus. Your offense needs to produce to relieve pressure off of your defense, which will inevitably succumb to counterattacking football if you can't score, but if you put 2 balls in the back of the net before 30 minutes, the opposing team is going to have a lot tougher time rallying to give you a shock defeat, both logistically and psychologically.

If Germany's offense hadn't been so inept, they could've been up by several goals before halftime against Japan. If that was the case, you'd be hard-pressed to argue that Japan would have scored their counterattacking goals in the same way, and even if they did, they still would've lost.

Counter attacking goal? After their free kick? Please. That was just awful defending. Thanks to süle and "schlotti".
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18565 Posts
December 02 2022 21:57 GMT
#780
I still think the game aginst Japan is not thr one that should be talked about. Everyone can have one unlucky loss. But the reaction after that game by Germany was just weak.

Only going for draw against Spain or leading only 1-0 vs cosza tica at halftime
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