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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
October 16 2007 06:54 GMT
#1
every once in a while you see a really horrible post, but you don't know which admin to PM.

perhaps if there was a "report this post" next to the "quote" etc on the top right this would make it easier. it would send a pm to all admins and lead them right to that post.

of course, it would require a description by the reporter of what the offense is.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
October 16 2007 08:55 GMT
#2
what does your sig mean?
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
October 16 2007 09:03 GMT
#3
first sentence: genius terran lee yoonyeol fighting!
second sentence: premonition of a big hit (breakthrough) this year for jin youngsoo!
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 16 2007 10:11 GMT
#4
when in doubt, type my name into the pm box.
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
October 16 2007 13:39 GMT
#5
On October 16 2007 19:11 thedeadhaji wrote:
when in doubt, type my name into the pm box.


Sigh...I remember the friendlier blue-named Haji at 12k+ posts like it was yesterday.

Oh wait...
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
October 16 2007 13:40 GMT
#6
I can see this getting abused a lot, just PM haji his online 23 hours a day.
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
October 16 2007 16:00 GMT
#7
If there were such a function, I'd be banned myself for spamming PMs.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
October 16 2007 17:02 GMT
#8
This feature would only work if forum veterans had the option.
Eniram
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Sudan3166 Posts
October 16 2007 18:47 GMT
#9
This really isn't necesary, there are plenty of mods to take care of that sort of thing.
You can like take a newb to like water, but you cant like make a newb drink. Ya know? - Jeremy
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
October 16 2007 21:14 GMT
#10
Good idea, but very difficult to execute.

The only thing I can think of would be forum semi-mods that only act as advisors when mods aren't around. These would have to be very respected people in the community or what not.

However, I don't think implementing this would be worth the trouble.
o_x | Ow. | 1003 ESPORTS dollars | If you have any questions about bans please PM Kennigit
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
October 16 2007 22:55 GMT
#11
The main problem is that this would be abused.

People would report shit all the time, and I personally don't want to spend time sifting through PMs or a junk box full of complains.

If you see something bad enough that it should definitly be brought to attention, check the active members list at the bottom of the page (every page) and PM the first mod you see down there. That's what I always did before I was staff.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-16 23:03:42
October 16 2007 23:02 GMT
#12
On October 17 2007 07:55 ManaBlue wrote:
The main problem is that this would be abused.

People would report shit all the time, and I personally don't want to spend time sifting through PMs or a junk box full of complains.

If you see something bad enough that it should definitly be brought to attention, check the active members list at the bottom of the page (every page) and PM the first mod you see down there. That's what I always did before I was staff.

Well in addition to the "report" system, we should have a second system where users can report people who will make bad complaints, so the Mods can read those complaints and know which real complaints to ignore, thus saving them lots of time.
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
October 16 2007 23:11 GMT
#13
On October 17 2007 07:55 ManaBlue wrote:
If you see something bad enough that it should definitly be brought to attention, check the active members list at the bottom of the page (every page) and PM the first mod you see down there. That's what I always did before I was staff.

active members list? where?

maybe you're confusing a feature available to staff only?
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 16 2007 23:14 GMT
#14
it's staff only. Probably replay as well.
AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
October 16 2007 23:59 GMT
#15
ew that's creepy. you can see when i'm on tl?
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
October 17 2007 00:03 GMT
#16
they most likely can see that we're reading this thread too.

big brothers watching U
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
October 17 2007 00:26 GMT
#17
It's staff only? Well I'll be damned. Guess I've been staff so long I forget what the features are. o_0

I was news staff for a fairly long time, so I guess that's when I was using it to aim my PMs at active mods.

Sorry guys, my bad. I guess you can just PM a mod that you've seen post recently? Bah, that isn't nearly as good.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 17 2007 00:48 GMT
#18
I think you turned blue last summer'ish right?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
October 17 2007 00:59 GMT
#19
that does bring up an interesting point, we should have a list of Mods online at any given time
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
October 17 2007 01:04 GMT
#20
i think that's been discussed before, and there was some concern that while it allows people to see mods who are online, it also allows people to see when no mods are online.

bigballs would be trying a revolution every week if he had that kind of information
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
October 17 2007 02:42 GMT
#21
i don't know, at most other forums i frequent they all have this report function and none of the admins/mods have mentioned anything about it being abused (including myself, as i am a mod at other forums)

so basically: from what i've experienced people using their own discretion on whether to report it or not works 99% of the time.
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
October 17 2007 04:08 GMT
#22
On October 17 2007 09:48 thedeadhaji wrote:
I think you turned blue last summer'ish right?


Yup. It's been about a year and a half now.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
October 17 2007 20:37 GMT
#23
Post reporting is a great idea.

Just ban those people that abuse it. ez. Virtually every forum has this option, they can't all be wrong.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
October 17 2007 22:31 GMT
#24
An alternative solution would be just to ban more and for longer periods of time. I remember back when I first joined people could be banned for sheer stupidity, right now they get away with multiple warnings and minuscule 2 day bans after they did 2 months of damage.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
October 18 2007 01:56 GMT
#25
Well new people probably should get a warning or two, because they may not realize that the standards here are different than other forums.

Anyway, about the report function. I'm not sure how many reports mods would have to go through, but it may be a good idea to normalize them by the amount of views of the thread. For example, a post with 12 reports in the general section might be as important as one with 3 reports in the strategy section (because the a thread there would probably have 4 times as many views/posts). Just an idea.
Do you really want chat rooms?
Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
October 18 2007 03:20 GMT
#26
On October 18 2007 10:56 fight_or_flight wrote:
Well new people probably should get a warning or two, because they may not realize that the standards here are different than other forums.

Anyway, about the report function. I'm not sure how many reports mods would have to go through, but it may be a good idea to normalize them by the amount of views of the thread. For example, a post with 12 reports in the general section might be as important as one with 3 reports in the strategy section (because the a thread there would probably have 4 times as many views/posts). Just an idea.


That sounds good in theory, but I don't think it works. There are so many shitty new posters that if they all get a warning or two, it means that by the time they get banned, 2 will have taken their place. I really like haji's recent state of banning activity, but I think we need even more of it. The rate of shitty posters joining is greater than the rate of them being banned.

Just redirect them to the Mensrea's Ten Commandments and Manifesto's How to Use TL.net when they sign in. If they don't read it, then its grounds for a ban.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 03:33:39
October 18 2007 03:28 GMT
#27
On October 18 2007 12:20 Aphelion wrote:
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On October 18 2007 10:56 fight_or_flight wrote:
Well new people probably should get a warning or two, because they may not realize that the standards here are different than other forums.

Anyway, about the report function. I'm not sure how many reports mods would have to go through, but it may be a good idea to normalize them by the amount of views of the thread. For example, a post with 12 reports in the general section might be as important as one with 3 reports in the strategy section (because the a thread there would probably have 4 times as many views/posts). Just an idea.


That sounds good in theory, but I don't think it works. There are so many shitty new posters that if they all get a warning or two, it means that by the time they get banned, 2 will have taken their place. I really like haji's recent state of banning activity, but I think we need even more of it. The rate of shitty posters joining is greater than the rate of them being banned.

Just redirect them to the Mensrea's Ten Commandments and Manifesto's How to Use TL.net when they sign in. If they don't read it, then its grounds for a ban.


How about when someone's post gets reported over a certain amount, they will automatically get a PM. This could serve as their "warning". When a mod looks at their account, they can see how many warning PMs they've received.

You can turn these pm's off, but only after 100 posts.

Edit: or instead of a pm, you can see how many reports the post got by a small number by the post only visible to the poster.
Do you really want chat rooms?
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 18 2007 19:48 GMT
#28
If you really believe there is a problem with something / someone, pm me. If I recognize your ID, I will take your pm seriously. If not, I will probably ignore it. If I do know your ID and your claim was BS, I'll bitch at you.
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 23:04:33
October 18 2007 22:41 GMT
#29
The way we did this in another online community back in the day was, we had a public mailbox for complaints. Staff checked it if they wanted to, and harshly punished people who wasted their time. I think you could do something similar here. How hard would it be to make people afraid to screw up a PM to such a box?

edit: i.e., if they do, ban them if they can't follow instructions about a complaint box they were going to be banned anyways, so it would just save you time of reading all their posts before they got banned anyways.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
October 18 2007 22:52 GMT
#30
On October 18 2007 05:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Post reporting is a great idea.

Just ban those people that abuse it. ez. Virtually every forum has this option, they can't all be wrong.


You miss my point.

I don't care about the marginal amount of good it might do, because the effort of sifting through them wouldn't be worth it. If anyone actually tried to implement and run this system, they would burnout and quit.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 22:55:00
October 18 2007 22:53 GMT
#31
there are just too many noobs on TL, hell even the veterans have ill judgement with regards to what constitutes a "reportable" post.

i highly doubt the mods will sign up for what, as manablue described, is essentially an inbox full of junk mail to sift through. however if someone on the mod team was willing to sign up for such a job it might be a good idea, but all in all my point is that there are enough negatives for it to be a low priority concern regarding this idea. obviously i don't speak for the staff though

edit: damn manablue has a quicker trigger finger than me
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 23:06:29
October 18 2007 23:02 GMT
#32
I don't think it's nearly as much effort to sift through as you guys are imagining. You just make it so that a given post does not show up as reported multiple times, every additional report by a different person simply increases a number associated with it.

So, a new report would be like
<table>
<tr><th>Forum</th><th>Thread/Post</th><th>Reporter</th><th>Reason</th><th># of reports</th></tr>
<tr><td>Website Feedback</td><td><a href='http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=2&topic_id=60923#31' target='_BLANK'>"report" function?</a> (post by <a href='http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=a-game' target='_BLANK'>a-game</a>)</td><td><a href='http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=HnR)Insane' target='_BLANK'>HnR)Insane</a></td><td>This guy is from canada! Ban him!</td><td>7 (display other reporters) {this would link to something which says who else reported too, and show what reasons they provided}</td></tr></table>
Even forums as huge as somethingawful have a report system, which gets worked through fine. You just need to have harsh penalties for abusing it, and you only generate one report per problem, no matter how many people try to report it.
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
October 18 2007 23:06 GMT
#33
I also like what HnR)Insane is saying. You could require 3+ complaints for the same post before the complaints become visible. Tweaking the number as needed. Box gets too full, raise it. Box too empty, lower it. Heck it could auto-adjust.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-19 00:43:43
October 19 2007 00:42 GMT
#34
I mean, you guys can go on and on talking about how flooded your inbox is, and how no mod will want to sift through it - but empirically, virtually every other forum I go to has this. The "this works in theory but will not in practice" argument is patently false. Clearly they have all survived it. Clearly it is an effective system of moderation that minimizes messages slipping through.

I am perfectly okay with it being only available to members above a certain post count, or of a certain rank, and harsh penalties for people who abuse the system, even appointing more moderators to work through the queue - so long that it ensures that worse posts are now almost guaranteed to be kept off the forum. If some forum vet thought a post was borderline, it probably deserves to be at least looked at by a moderator.

GameFAQs forums is huge and that's the only way they've managed to keep on top of moderation. Mods go to the mod queue immediately, and sift through messages marked for moderation and see what is worthy and what isn't. Something like 90+% of all reported messages end up being worthy of moderation. (They even have a cute little color alert thing - Queue Color BLACK if there are lots of stuff in there; GREEN if it's less, etc.)
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bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
October 19 2007 04:55 GMT
#35
you could always try it, it's not like you couldn't just change back.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
October 19 2007 04:59 GMT
#36
There are higher priorities for the coders though. Until you hear otherwise from Saro/PoP/Meat, just PM the ever-present Haji. :p
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
October 26 2007 22:23 GMT
#37
On October 19 2007 04:48 thedeadhaji wrote:
If you really believe there is a problem with something / someone, pm me. If I recognize your ID, I will take your pm seriously. If not, I will probably ignore it. If I do know your ID and your claim was BS, I'll bitch at you.


that seems good, seeing as haji probabably know all forum veterans, being that he is 23 hours online a day haha

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Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
October 27 2007 01:30 GMT
#38
There's no good reason to not have a report feature. Just explicitly say that abuse of the report feature is grounds for an immediate ban. There are, occasionally, posts I wish I could show to a mod so they could do something, but frankly I have no idea what mod to contact about what anymore.

Everyone seems to be saying to just PM haji, so I guess I'll just do that. :/
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