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JimmiC
Canada22810 Posts
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Excludos
Norway7685 Posts
And I'll reiterate: Unless official TL policy is that people can just ban dodge by making new amounts (I know it isn't), telling people they can do so is a bad idea. It leads to situations like these. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22810 Posts
On September 20 2019 12:38 Excludos wrote: If the ban was ever in question before, you've squarely put those concerns to rest. Great job. And I'll reiterate: Unless official TL policy is that people can just ban dodge by making new amounts (I know it isn't), telling people they can do so is a bad idea. It leads to situations like these. How about paying large amounts? | ||
Acrofales
Spain17186 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11032 Posts
Everyone has their price. I am certain that there is a sum you can pay and get unbanned. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28262 Posts
On September 20 2019 12:38 Excludos wrote: If the ban was ever in question before, you've squarely put those concerns to rest. Great job. And I'll reiterate: Unless official TL policy is that people can just ban dodge by making new amounts (I know it isn't), telling people they can do so is a bad idea. It leads to situations like these. It actually used to be, before we got the graded punishments. (first years we didnt have warnings or temp bans). The idea was basically that if a banned poster came back and started posting in a way that didn't make us ban them again, that would constitute a successful rehabilitation. But then it basically depended on that poster not a) making it known by his choice of name that he was the guy who just got banned and b) that he stayed a bit under the radar. And there are quite some quality posters that have gone through this ritual. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22810 Posts
On September 20 2019 20:37 GreenHorizons wrote: It doesn't seem you understand my frustration at all from my perspective, because if you'd did you wouldn't say: This false choice is at the core of it. Voting blue doesn't stop the country/world from burning, it just lets the neoliberal brunch crowd go back to pretending it's not because they are mostly removed from the negative consequences. Look I get you're comfortable under the status quo and will defend it to its death. But please just don't piss on me and try to tell me it's raining. He didn't say he was comfortable with the status quo, or that he would defend it to its death. Your last paragraph was unnecessary and just being a dick for the sake of it. For a guy who cries to the mods about people "putting positions in your mouth" you think you would have a little self awareness and not actually blatantly do it. Not only that, but do it in a extremely asshole way. This is why on an almost weekly basis someone here is calling you out for something. If you would like people to be respectful to you, it would serve you well to be respectful to them instead of going full asshole at the drop of the hat. Both Aqua and Gorsameth are not saying they love your system and want to protect. They are saying that it is your system and that as long as it is this is how it works. Then they are explaining how the different people dropping out would effect the candidates. Gorsameth is even saying how if you don't like it there are things you can do, but how unlikely that is because of some of the major tragedies that have happened and nothing has changed. The reality is that most of the time when you get all worked up people are not even disagreeing with you, (outside of the wild conspiracy stuff such as 9/11) they are just letting you know that under the current system it won't work. And people get tired of you trying to convince people who already agree that the system sucks. There is just 0 point complaining over and over about it on this thread. Maybe start talking about how you would change it and what you are actually doing about all this stuff that you are clearly passionate about and it won't come off as constant irritating complaining. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
Both... are not saying they love your system and want to protect. They are saying that it is your system and that as long as it is this is how it works. reminds me of the argument that people weren't encouraging the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians because they simply saw it as inevitable. “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.” ― Desmond Tutu EDIT: Actually I like this one (and it's author) better: “Washing one’s hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral ” – Paulo Freire | ||
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
JimmiC's first paragraph seems pretty much on point. I don't feel like putting forth a position one way or the other on the rest of his post. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22810 Posts
But the real morale of the story is, if something upsets you enough to keep reporting a user, and coming in here to complain about the user, you probably shouldn't blatantly do the thing that you are accusing that person of. Because if you know it really upsets you, you should be aware that is not a nice thing to do. And it was clear he didn't say what you are accusing him of. And there was certainly no need to be an asshole about it. Have you have ever thought, hmmm JimmiC and me have fights. I have fights with JimmiC, Velr, Gorsameth, z2c, serm, aquanim, plansix and so on and so forth. Perhaps it is time for some reflection that maybe, just maybe you are part of the problem and you either need to suck it up and take the shit that flies back at you when you are a constant asshole OR stop being a constant asshole. I'm fine either way, but the pretending that you are some sort of victim is sickening. You are only a victim of your own behavior. You are not doing anything morale by insulting people on a online forum, if anything you are pushing people away from preferred position. That being said, I think you might know this and just love fighting online for some reason. | ||
farvacola
United States18768 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
On September 20 2019 23:16 Aquanim wrote: I wasn't even really commenting on the system, just pointing out that somebody coming to the position that "Biden and Warren are meaningfully more likely to win the Democratic nomination than Sanders" is not damning evidence that that person is biased against Sanders. (And as a corollary, that focusing on the much firmer evidence of bias also linked is a more persuasive argument.) JimmiC's first paragraph seems pretty much on point. I don't feel like putting forth a position one way or the other on the rest of his post. I guess my question is who needs to be persuaded at this point? This to me is the liberal version of the endlessly charitable interpretations of Trump from Republicans while still basically acknowledging he's corrupt, incompetent, etc... EDIT: That said, I should be clear that I don't think that (especially by itself) is "damning evidence" it's been a thing before Warren was. I mentioned it when 538 put Harris in a tier with/above Bernie iirc. On September 20 2019 23:26 JimmiC wrote: And none of those people would suggest being angry and rude to people on a thread was a good way to change minds. I'm pretty confident that you can't find a quote from one of them that the best way to change minds is too be a asshole to people. ... you are a constant asshole... Back at ya pal | ||
JimmiC
Canada22810 Posts
On September 20 2019 23:37 farvacola wrote: There was a time when I would fight anyone. That time has passed I think I would enjoy reading that, or maybe not if it was with me! Or maybe more if was with me? Life is complicated. | ||
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On September 20 2019 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote: I guess my question is who needs to be persuaded at this point? This to me is the liberal version of the endlessly charitable interpretations of Trump from Republicans while still basically acknowledging he's corrupt, incompetent, etc... This seems like you're saying "I'm under no obligation to make sound arguments because everybody who doesn't already agree with me is The Enemy who isn't worth having a discussion with, besides me just telling them what I want them to think". | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
On September 21 2019 00:03 Aquanim wrote: This seems like you're saying "I'm under no obligation to make sound arguments because everybody who doesn't already agree with me is The Enemy who isn't worth having a discussion with, besides me just telling them what I want them to think". Is that what liberals are saying about Trump apologists? + Show Spoiler + If you want to answer we should probably take it back to the actual thread btw | ||
Jealous
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JimmiC
Canada22810 Posts
On September 20 2019 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote: I guess my question is who needs to be persuaded at this point? This to me is the liberal version of the endlessly charitable interpretations of Trump from Republicans while still basically acknowledging he's corrupt, incompetent, etc... Back at ya pal I'm not trying to change your mind. And I'm aware when I'm being an asshole to you, I've tried not being an asshole to you but there is really no point because you react the same,(if you remember you attacked on my very post in the US pol thread, that is just the type of guy you are) this is why I say constant, I am an asshole to you because you are one to me, you are an asshole to everyone who does not COMPLETELY agree with you. Now you can think its not you its me, I'm the problem but the issue with that when you think about it logically is that I'm not having these fights with a bunch of other people and you are. I've long since given up you being able to have a reasonable discussion, or understanding the difference between one of your presumptions and a fact, my only hope is that at some point you will take some actual responsibility for the situations you create. Then you can choose to embrace it or change your behavior. I could care less what you choose(depending on my mood I sometimes enjoy our fights, when I don't I simply stop), it would just be nice if you didn't blame everyone else for the situation you create for yourself. Heck outside of the occasional Nazi ban we could rename this thread "GH has problem, or someone has a problem with GH feedback thread" and it would be more accurate. | ||
Sermokala
United States13541 Posts
On September 20 2019 23:37 farvacola wrote: There was a time when I would fight anyone. That time has passed There was a time where I got frustrated with GH. Now I'm glad that JimmiC has volunteered to distract him for the rest of us. | ||
Sermokala
United States13541 Posts
On September 21 2019 00:01 JimmiC wrote: I think I would enjoy reading that, or maybe not if it was with me! Or maybe more if was with me? Life is complicated. Bruh back in my day all you had to worry about was to get frustrated with arguing about healthcare for the thousandth day in a row. Everyone got ground down to the point where we had a legitimately productive conversation about abortion that didn't end up in a shitfest. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22810 Posts
On September 21 2019 03:17 Sermokala wrote: Bruh back in my day all you had to worry about was to get frustrated with arguing about healthcare for the thousandth day in a row. Everyone got ground down to the point where we had a legitimately productive conversation about abortion that didn't end up in a shitfest. When things calm down there are some really good conversations about some interesting topics. There are a lot of people who do a good job of arguing their perspective with very different backgrounds. | ||
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