EPTThe first discussion on the first page of the new US political thread was discussing on why Testie was banned. Testie was an open white supremacist.
Anybody else has alt-intepretations?
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Dangermousecatdog
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The first discussion on the first page of the new US political thread was discussing on why Testie was banned. Testie was an open white supremacist. Anybody else has alt-intepretations? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 27 2019 03:16 Jealous wrote: I'm sorry but I don't understand. Can't I just get a link to the post that has this: "Specifically, he was almost happy with the fact that right-wing posters were told to leave at the start of the new us politics thread. " Feel free to wait for a response. I cannot speak for him. I also think it’s useful to run over a dozen pages or more in the feedback thread from that time for appropriate context. This thread does a passable job recording historical gripes with moderation. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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Jealous
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Sermokala
United States13910 Posts
The whole reason why we got the new thread was so that danglers could be thread banned from posting in it. Never got a real answer to why other then vague responses of that it was to protect peoples reports numbers "hes the problem get rid of him and the thread gets better to trust me" and "he defend himself too vigorously". Me xdaunt and danglers took this as a message that we weren't welcome, we told people this, and no one decided to say otherwise. So then gh decided to start up his own blog to talk about politics. This goes on for a while and everyone is content saying that things got better. Then Jimmic and GH get into the fights they always get into and moderation decide to just merge the threads back together and unban danglers from the main thread. This is almost all covered in this thread if you go back to the proper dates tbf they aparently had some issues with the thread banning mechanic that took a while I guess till they could get danglers banned, didn't make sense to them to tell anyone or even him that this ban might be coming or was coming but hey why let a little consistency get in your way. I said daunt told me he was almost happy he was banned because (if you read the whole post you get clear and easy context clues who knew this omg) he was thinking of leaving as he was becoming disillusioned with the whole thread and moderation. I think he was well past the time of bowing out like p6 but just couldn't because that was xdaunt for you. | ||
KwarK
United States42609 Posts
I just don’t get it. Edit: We’ve trodden this ground before but I don’t recall ever getting an answer to it. What are your conservative beliefs? | ||
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Sermokala
United States13910 Posts
On September 27 2019 05:43 KwarK wrote: I still don’t know what you get out of pretending to be an oppressed conservative Sermokala. You’re as right wing as I am. I’ve honestly no recollection of you ever advocating for any conservative policy, all I’ve seen is you alleging that you’re a victim of persecution for beliefs that, as far as I can tell, you don’t have. I just don’t get it. I don't get what you get out of being a complete dick to me and everyone else in the thread dancing behind a veneer of "gee I'm British we do this for fun". I agree with the war on drugs I agree with the war in iraq and Afghanistan I agree that the right to bear arms shouldn't be infringed. I don't believe that hate speech is a punishable offense. I don't think that you should be able to dig up peoples quotes or texts from when they were a kid or from 10+ years ago in a crusade to ruin their life. I didn't think gay people needed to be married. I was on the side of the cake baker. I don't think colin Kaepernick is being blackballed because of his stance of being a dick to police people. I think being a police officer is a hard mental grinding position that isn't paid well enough or supported well enough for what its asked to do. I think people who serve in the military are honorable and not child killers. I have supported a bunch of conservative viewpoints. You constantly ignoring that being a constant dick and telling me my beliefs are fake is just another way you piss people off every day that they just shrug and ignore because you happened to live in a land where people do that and are funny on television to them. | ||
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KwarK
United States42609 Posts
On September 27 2019 05:50 Sermokala wrote: I don't get what you get out of being a complete dick to me and everyone else in the thread dancing behind a veneer of "gee I'm British we do this for fun". I agree with the war on drugs I agree with the war in iraq and Afghanistan I agree that the right to bear arms shouldn't be infringed. I don't believe that hate speech is a punishable offense. I don't think that you should be able to dig up peoples quotes or texts from when they were a kid or from 10+ years ago in a crusade to ruin their life. I didn't think gay people needed to be married. I was on the side of the cake baker. I don't think colin Kaepernick is being blackballed because of his stance of being a dick to police people. I think being a police officer is a hard mental grinding position that isn't paid well enough or supported well enough for what its asked to do. I think people who serve in the military are honorable and not child killers. I have supported a bunch of conservative viewpoints. You being a constant dick and telling me my beliefs are fake is just another way you piss people off every day that they just shrug and ignore because you happened to live in a land where people do that and are funny on television to them. I’m not trying to attack you, I keep asking you this because you never voice any conservative beliefs. You’re calling me a dick over and over, all I’m doing is asking you what you actually stand for because honestly I just can’t tell from your posts. That’s not an attack, although somehow you still managed to be victimized by it. You’re calling me names, I’m politely asking you questions, and yet in you’re head you’re the offended party and I’m somehow hiding behind staff privilege. Based on your description above you disagree with straw liberals (I wasn’t aware anyone’s official position was the military exclusively kill children) and are indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton (opposed gay marriage, supported war on drugs, supported invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, opposes gun bans, supported police, supported don’t ask don’t tell). Which conservative beliefs that have never been publicly supported by Hillary Clinton do you have? | ||
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Sermokala
United States13910 Posts
On September 27 2019 05:51 KwarK wrote: I’m not trying to attack you, I keep asking you this because you never voice any conservative beliefs. You’re calling me a dick over and over, all I’m doing is asking you what you actually stand for because honestly I just can’t tell from your posts. That’s not an attack, although somehow you still managed to be victimized by it. Based on the above you disagree with straw liberals and are indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton. You are not trying to attack me? You just repeated that you think I'm pretending to be a conservative because I enjoy being the victim. Do you just not understand what attacking someone or insulting someone's belief structure even means? Congrats, I'm a young conservative, we agree with Hillary on everything and are confused and frustrated why shes a democrat. You've discovered the secret behind the republican parties under 30 crowd. I think Hillary has never been about conservation in environmentalism. That's going to be the divide in the next generation about environmentalism the pheasants forever crowd vs the sierra club crowd. | ||
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KwarK
United States42609 Posts
On September 27 2019 06:00 Sermokala wrote: You are not trying to attack me? You just repeated that you think I'm pretending to be a conservative because I enjoy being the victim. Do you just not understand what attacking someone or insulting someone's belief structure even means? Congrats, I'm a young conservative, we agree with Hillary on everything and are confused and frustrated why shes a democrat. You've discovered the secret behind the republican parties under 30 crowd. I’m not trying to attack you, I’m trying to understand why you, who has never faced any kind of moderation for your political beliefs as far as I know, are so insistent that you’re a victim of political repression. Which you’re still not answering. You haven’t named a single non mainstream belief that you hold. Not one. If you’re going to keep alleging that you’re victimized for membership of a class it’s not unreasonable to ask why you think that. It’s not an attack on you. Do you hold any non mainstream beliefs? I can remember clashing with a bunch of conservatives on a bunch of issues on this forum over the years, Danglars, Introvert, Biomajor, and so forth, as well as crazies like Nettles, but I can’t remember you. We’ve all been here for so long now that we pretty much know what everyone else stands for. I could tell you what I disagree with each of them on but honest to God the only thing I have filed under you is “thinks he’s persecuted”. Maybe I’ve just been bad at reading your posts or maybe my memory is failing me in my old age but that’s all I have for you. Not an insult, that’s really just all I have. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 27 2019 05:06 Jealous wrote: If we can't track down/provide the link for one post made on this very site by a member of our community, how can we argue politics and policy? That aside, I don’t think there’s easy answers to where the previous thread was, and what set of discrete actions caused the new thread to take off in another direction. Like, imagine coming into the last page here and wondering what set off the white supremacy bashing and allegations of victim mentality? A moderate gives his short perspective and this is the manner in which he’s dismissed? Is this a justifiable response? I don’t think any mod put it in a single post, or thought through the practical effects of policies they thought safeguarded a politically neutral moderation standard. Compare it to any corporate failure that didn’t have a single executive caught on tape saying “We’re just going to mistreat women here as a policy.” You read statements from enough figures, read between the lines on responses on extreme examples, compare with competing theories (in this case, intemperate rabble rousers or playing the victim or maybe white supremacy), and form an opinion on the situation. That takes work to gain a valuable perspective. People unwilling to undertake that process must rely on whose opinion they trust to say such and such happened, and this person and that person are mistaken or deceitful. (The easy out is to name a couple figures and make the entire issue related to intentional provocation, essentially laying all the fault on their shoulders, and missing the big picture) I encourage personal investigation of the claims instead of deciding whose summary on the issue you’re going to trust. How boring is it to ask “Who do you believe, Kwark or Sermokala’s recollection of events?” In my opinion, wade through the good intentions, the level of involvement, the bad actors, the behind-the-scenes discussions & partial revelation, and the practical effects ... but that’s my two cents. | ||
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Jealous
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On September 27 2019 06:05 Danglars wrote: I don’t think there’s easy answers to where the previous thread was, and what set of discrete actions caused the new thread to take off in another direction. Like, imagine coming into the last page here and wondering what set off the white supremacy bashing and allegations of victim mentality? A moderate gives his short perspective and this is the manner in which he’s dismissed? Is this a justifiable response? I don’t think any mod put it in a single post, or thought through the practical effects of policies they thought safeguarded a politically neutral moderation standard. Compare it to any corporate failure that didn’t have a single executive caught on tape saying “We’re just going to mistreat women here as a policy.” You read statements from enough figures, read between the lines on responses on extreme examples, compare with competing theories (in this case, intemperate rabble rousers or playing the victim or maybe white supremacy), and form an opinion on the situation. That takes work to gain a valuable perspective. People unwilling to undertake that process must rely on whose opinion they trust to say such and such happened, and this person and that person are mistaken or deceitful. (The easy out is to name a couple figures and make the entire issue related to intentional provocation, essentially laying all the fault on their shoulders, and missing the big picture) I encourage personal investigation of the claims instead of deciding whose summary on the issue you’re going to trust. How boring is it to ask “Who do you believe, Kwark or Sermokala’s recollection of events?” In my opinion, wade through the good intentions, the level of involvement, the bad actors, the behind-the-scenes discussions & partial revelation, and the practical effects ... but that’s my two cents. I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly, but just in case I want to make it clear that I'm not believing or disbelieving anyone's interpretation, I'm just asking for a source lol. | ||
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KwarK
United States42609 Posts
It’s not a moderation issue at this point, I’d not have a problem with him complaining about the moderation of xDaunt. It’s that he’s complaining about the moderation of people like xDaunt and him and it’s just weird that he’s putting himself there when there’s no evidence in his user info that he was involved. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13910 Posts
On September 27 2019 06:05 KwarK wrote: I’m not trying to attack you, I’m trying to understand why you, who has never faced any kind of moderation for your political beliefs as far as I know, are so insistent that you’re a victim of political repression. Which you’re still not answering. You haven’t named a single non mainstream belief that you hold. Not one. If you’re going to keep alleging that you’re victimized for membership of a class it’s not unreasonable to ask why you think that. It’s not an attack on you. Do you hold any non mainstream beliefs? If you are unaware then I guess. Telling someone hat they don't belive what they say they believe and only say that they belive it because they enjoy playing a victim is an attack. I'm not saying I'm a victim of political repression. I'm only holding unity with other conservatives who do face repression. I didn't know you needed to be black to give a shit about black people, I'll go tell them you think that they just supported civil rights because they enjoy being a victim. I think people who come to America illegally shouldn't be allowed to stay, even if they're claiming refugee status unless they're from Mexico in which case it should be a national security issue and we should be intervening in Mexico. If people are so insistent on making them citizens and giving them amnesty through one method or another we should be shipping them to detriot or chicago. On top of that as a grand infrastructure plan we shouldn't be bitching around with so many roads and bridges when clearly what the country needs is a few railroads from Seattle to Duluth Minnesota and making a grand canal from Chicago to the Mississippi. That and the liquid natural gas infrastructure we should have been building for a while to get Europe off of the Russian gas teat. But no lets build more roads because we're bad at thinking ahead. I think we should invade Somalia and instill it as the next American state. Its not even a real country at the moment and it could really use stability and a strong central government to protect and enrich the local people. NAFTA 2.0 should be scrapped for a total economic/security pact. I think californias bid to force colleges to pay student-athletes is a grand conspiracy to make us watch soccer. I'm not really opposed to this but people should know the intent of it to kill football basketball and baseball in America. I seriously doubt anyone still reading this but thanks if you are that last one was a joke btw. I don't think public sports stadiums is as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Granted there are some really bad deals out there like the las vegas deal and miamis stadium deal but for the most part these are the largest and best looking buildsing that are being built today. "her der the economic numbers don't support it and civic pride is ilrelevent" yeah shut up people judge atlanta differently now and the longhouse in minnesota is a state treature on par with the confederate flag we won in the civil war that no one is going to take from us. I admit I kinda lost the plot in there but that should suffice what you are looking for. | ||
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Simberto
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KwarK
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On September 27 2019 06:22 Sermokala wrote: If you are unaware then I guess. Telling someone hat they don't belive what they say they believe and only say that they belive it because they enjoy playing a victim is an attack. I'm not saying I'm a victim of political repression. I'm only holding unity with other conservatives who do face repression. I didn't know you needed to be black to give a shit about black people, I'll go tell them you think that they just supported civil rights because they enjoy being a victim. I think people who come to America illegally shouldn't be allowed to stay, even if they're claiming refugee status unless they're from Mexico in which case it should be a national security issue and we should be intervening in Mexico. If people are so insistent on making them citizens and giving them amnesty through one method or another we should be shipping them to detriot or chicago. On top of that as a grand infrastructure plan we shouldn't be bitching around with so many roads and bridges when clearly what the country needs is a few railroads from Seattle to Duluth Minnesota and making a grand canal from Chicago to the Mississippi. That and the liquid natural gas infrastructure we should have been building for a while to get Europe off of the Russian gas teat. But no lets build more roads because we're bad at thinking ahead. I think we should invade Somalia and instill it as the next American state. Its not even a real country at the moment and it could really use stability and a strong central government to protect and enrich the local people. NAFTA 2.0 should be scrapped for a total economic/security pact. I think californias bid to force colleges to pay student-athletes is a grand conspiracy to make us watch soccer. I'm not really opposed to this but people should know the intent of it to kill football basketball and baseball in America. I seriously doubt anyone still reading this but thanks if you are that last one was a joke btw. I don't think public sports stadiums is as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Granted there are some really bad deals out there like the las vegas deal and miamis stadium deal but for the most part these are the largest and best looking buildsing that are being built today. "her der the economic numbers don't support it and civic pride is ilrelevent" yeah shut up people judge atlanta differently now and the longhouse in minnesota is a state treature on par with the confederate flag we won in the civil war that no one is going to take from us. I admit I kinda lost the plot in there but that should suffice what you are looking for. It’s not about needing to be black to give a shit about black people, it’s about needing to be black to talk about the oppression in terms of the issues that we blacks personally struggle with. You’re absolutely welcome to defend xDaunt out of civic spirit, it’s not about that, it’s about the “people like xDaunt and me” part that perplexes me. I’m not sure where in there your joke opinions started but I will remind you that entering the country and then claiming asylum is the legal way to do it and that the last President to put American troops in Somalia was a Clinton. | ||
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KwarK
United States42609 Posts
On September 27 2019 06:23 Simberto wrote: On a different topic, i would be very glad if GH and JimmiC could stop the constant passive-aggressive bitching at each other. I get it, you don't like each other. Seconded. Mostly because they refuse to read each other’s posts. | ||
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On September 27 2019 06:23 Simberto wrote: On a different topic, i would be very glad if GH and JimmiC could stop the constant passive-aggressive bitching at each other. I get it, you don't like each other. Sometimes I wish the mods made a special rule that they're not allowed to address or quote each other in the thread. It would be hard to justify because they're not breaking any rules though. | ||
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