EPTFeels like the answer should be that everyone stops the baiting game, but we're well past the point where anyone is going to give up on that. Everyone is addicted to snark and has a history of grudges.
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Feels like the answer should be that everyone stops the baiting game, but we're well past the point where anyone is going to give up on that. Everyone is addicted to snark and has a history of grudges. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37118 Posts
On September 27 2019 13:00 LegalLord wrote: Frankly, it seems like Seeker's complimentary attitude towards JimmiC is borne of there being a much longer history of moderation gripes with GH. While I don't follow the main thread too much anymore, what I see here and in that thread is mostly a lot of low-key baiting attempts that look like they're started primarily by JC. I'm sure that others might say that GH is the problem, though I personally don't see anything too different from the last however many years we've all done this. Feels like the answer should be that everyone stops the baiting game, but we're well past the point where anyone is going to give up on that. Everyone is addicted to snark and has a history of grudges. No. Don't overthink this. JimmiC is a good person. GH is not. Plain and simple. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On September 27 2019 13:28 Seeker wrote: No. Don't overthink this. JimmiC is a good person. GH is not. Plain and simple. Lol, love you too Seeker. + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2019 10:33 Seeker wrote: Sure. Great idea. Now here's the hard part: Convince GH that it's a great idea. Because I guarantee you that he will never say yes. GH has never once apologized for his actions, nor has he ever admitted that he was at fault. GH never accepts his mod actions and will always try to get out of it. He'll send you an endless amount of PMs and try to manipulate you to see things his way. When that doesn't work, he posts PM conversations publicly in hopes of trying to get the public to come to his side. And when that doesn't work, he goes crying over to other mods who are willing to listen to him to try to get them on his side. So, yeah... Good luck with trying to get GH to agree to that, and good luck with trying to get GH to agree to that peacefully without bombarding the mods with annoying ass PMs. On the solution side I agree with what you said before: Please ignore JimmiC from now on. You've been doing well. Don't screw it up after coming this far. Just request that it's mutual. Alternatively I'd be fine going back to the blog since we're going to have another round of Russiagate with the Ukraine issue. Just request I not be forced to allow JimmiC to post there. As to contesting bans, pretty sure several of your most recent bans of me were literally mistakes. Not judgement errors, but outright mistaken and had to be corrected. EDIT: Also I'm fine putting my entire ban history and our PM's out for easy accessibility if it's going to be a point of reference, otherwise I'm skeptical it's being accurately described. | ||
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Jealous
10392 Posts
On September 27 2019 14:04 GreenHorizons wrote: EDIT: Also I'm fine putting my entire ban history and our PM's out for easy accessibility if it's going to be a point of reference, otherwise I'm skeptical it's being accurately described. Lmao, the pattern continues. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9066 Posts
You thought it would change? But it was me, DIO! | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
With the constant and colorfully racist PM's you send me every Friday for the last 2 years I'm not surprised you are enjoying this  | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Jealous
10392 Posts
On September 27 2019 14:36 GreenHorizons wrote: With the constant and colorfully racist PM's you send me every Friday for the last 2 years I'm not surprised you are enjoying this Lol? Am I getting baited or is there actually something seriously wrong with you? Check your carbon monoxide detector. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On September 27 2019 14:47 Jealous wrote: Lol? Am I getting baited or is there actually something seriously wrong with you? Check your carbon monoxide detector. You trying to deny that you regularly (maybe not every Friday) send me hateful/racist PM's? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On September 27 2019 15:03 GreenHorizons wrote: You trying to deny that you regularly (maybe not every Friday) send me hateful/racist PM's? This is a pretty serious allegation you're coming forward with here. Are you certain, or is this one of your episodes of reading into something that isn't there? Hateful and racist PMs, especially regularly, is not remotely acceptable, but neither is slander about it. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28901 Posts
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Jealous
10392 Posts
On September 27 2019 15:18 Excludos wrote: This is a pretty serious allegation you're coming forward with here. Are you certain, or is this one of your episodes of reading into something that isn't there? Hateful and racist PMs, especially regularly, is not remotely acceptable, but neither is slander about it. ^ I've never once sent him a goddamn thing. GH, If you're having a schizophrenic episode, I'm sorry, but you can miss me with all that shit. I challenge you to report every PM I have ever sent you to the moderators and to post the screenshots here as well. Until then, kick rocks. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On September 27 2019 15:22 Jealous wrote: ^ I've never once sent him a goddamn thing. GH, If you're having a schizophrenic episode, I'm sorry, but you can miss me with all that shit. I challenge you to report every PM I have ever sent you to the moderators and to post the screenshots here as well. Until then, kick rocks. It seems the pattern is contagious. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18450 Posts
On September 27 2019 15:22 Liquid`Drone wrote: I mean I completely disagree with seeker and jimmy's assertions here. I dunno if there's a solution either though, aside from them both realizing that they can't talk to each other and both of them actually ignoring each other (instead of adding fucking idiotic small stabs that make it impossible for the other to not respond. And I will 100% state that Jimmy is more guilty than GH of this, not that GH is without fault though. ) I mostly agree with this. They are both holding grudge upon grudge and are totally tunneled on one another. I also read more of JimmyC's posts as barbed then GH, but it doesn't even matter anymore, I skip pages if the thread where it's then bickering. Isn't limited to US pol thread either. I reported some random post in the South American politics thread asking for that whole thread to be renamed the "JimmyC and GH bitch fight megathread", which covers the content of the thread a lot better. Imho the solution where both are forbidden from responding to the other, mentioning the other or quoting the other is about the only way they can both keep posting. I guess alternating thread bans for all politics threads might work too. Alternate every month? E: and regarding PMs, as long as they're private anybody can claim any old nonsense about what they say. I believe that's GH's point with his ridiculous accusation vs Jealous. He could obviously have found a better way of making the point than dragging jealous into it, unless jealous actually did all that shit (doubt it). But I think the underlying point is clear: if you have problems with his PMs report them. If you post about them publicly, don't get your panties in a bundle if he then posts the PM thread in public as well as part of his defense. | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
if a sender feels themselves disagreeing with this, i’m interested to hear why. if you think you’re in the right then it ought to just not be a problem, right? so all in all PMs should be freely made public at either participants discretion. and, well, if it gets anyone on ‘their side,’ to Seeker’s specific complaint(phrased loosely,)then, try not being wrong. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12015 Posts
This, however, does not need to always apply. I would, for example, rule public statements of the content of these messages as tacit consent to publicize the actual messages themselves. I would also say that clearly hostile messages wave this requirement, too. But i disagree that any one party should generally be allowed to make a conversation public, and doing so without first consulting the other person is at least a major breech of trust. | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
and to the qualification of ‘probably,’ i think there’s a benefit there in having it be freely made public still (again assuming one party wanted it.) if there’s any reason one party wants to make a conversation public then that’s the bar for me. there’s no expectation of privacy in a phone call, email, or letter imo. between the best of friends, perhaps, and even then questionably. and if there’s enough reason for one of those parties to not want it to be a private conversation any longer, well, that’s where i’m at. forced private encounters seem extremely weird. i will say if that expectation of trust is there it’s certainly the polite thing to do- checking in with the second party. but if one party feels like it no longer should be private then.. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
I’ve honestly more or less always been an examplary poster on TL in the last ten years on any number of topics, but when looking at my moderation history it’s just filled with warnings and bans solely from like two moderators who object any time I say something disparaging about conservative politics. fyi, I don’t take these warnings seriously and I don’t intend to change my behavior. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
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