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JimmiC
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Excludos
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And I'll reiterate: Unless official TL policy is that people can just ban dodge by making new amounts (I know it isn't), telling people they can do so is a bad idea. It leads to situations like these. | ||
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JimmiC
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Acrofales
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Simberto
Germany11921 Posts
Everyone has their price. I am certain that there is a sum you can pay and get unbanned. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28854 Posts
On September 20 2019 12:38 Excludos wrote: If the ban was ever in question before, you've squarely put those concerns to rest. Great job. And I'll reiterate: Unless official TL policy is that people can just ban dodge by making new amounts (I know it isn't), telling people they can do so is a bad idea. It leads to situations like these. It actually used to be, before we got the graded punishments. (first years we didnt have warnings or temp bans). The idea was basically that if a banned poster came back and started posting in a way that didn't make us ban them again, that would constitute a successful rehabilitation.  But then it basically depended on that poster not a) making it known by his choice of name that he was the guy who just got banned and b) that he stayed a bit under the radar. And there are quite some quality posters that have gone through this ritual. | ||
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States24130 Posts
Both... are not saying they love your system and want to protect. They are saying that it is your system and that as long as it is this is how it works. reminds me of the argument that people weren't encouraging the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians because they simply saw it as inevitable. “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.” ― Desmond Tutu EDIT: Actually I like this one (and it's author) better: “Washing one’s hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral ” – Paulo Freire | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
JimmiC's first paragraph seems pretty much on point. I don't feel like putting forth a position one way or the other on the rest of his post. | ||
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JimmiC
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24130 Posts
On September 20 2019 23:16 Aquanim wrote: I wasn't even really commenting on the system, just pointing out that somebody coming to the position that "Biden and Warren are meaningfully more likely to win the Democratic nomination than Sanders" is not damning evidence that that person is biased against Sanders. (And as a corollary, that focusing on the much firmer evidence of bias also linked is a more persuasive argument.) JimmiC's first paragraph seems pretty much on point. I don't feel like putting forth a position one way or the other on the rest of his post. I guess my question is who needs to be persuaded at this point? This to me is the liberal version of the endlessly charitable interpretations of Trump from Republicans while still basically acknowledging he's corrupt, incompetent, etc... EDIT: That said, I should be clear that I don't think that (especially by itself) is "damning evidence" it's been a thing before Warren was. I mentioned it when 538 put Harris in a tier with/above Bernie iirc. On September 20 2019 23:26 JimmiC wrote: And none of those people would suggest being angry and rude to people on a thread was a good way to change minds. I'm pretty confident that you can't find a quote from one of them that the best way to change minds is too be a asshole to people. ... you are a constant asshole... Back at ya pal | ||
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JimmiC
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On September 20 2019 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote: I guess my question is who needs to be persuaded at this point? This to me is the liberal version of the endlessly charitable interpretations of Trump from Republicans while still basically acknowledging he's corrupt, incompetent, etc... This seems like you're saying "I'm under no obligation to make sound arguments because everybody who doesn't already agree with me is The Enemy who isn't worth having a discussion with, besides me just telling them what I want them to think". | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24130 Posts
On September 21 2019 00:03 Aquanim wrote: This seems like you're saying "I'm under no obligation to make sound arguments because everybody who doesn't already agree with me is The Enemy who isn't worth having a discussion with, besides me just telling them what I want them to think". Is that what liberals are saying about Trump apologists? + Show Spoiler + If you want to answer we should probably take it back to the actual thread btw | ||
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Jealous
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JimmiC
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Sermokala
United States14155 Posts
On September 20 2019 23:37 farvacola wrote: There was a time when I would fight anyone. That time has passed There was a time where I got frustrated with GH. Now I'm glad that JimmiC has volunteered to distract him for the rest of us. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14155 Posts
On September 21 2019 00:01 JimmiC wrote: I think I would enjoy reading that, or maybe not if it was with me! Or maybe more if was with me? Life is complicated. Bruh back in my day all you had to worry about was to get frustrated with arguing about healthcare for the thousandth day in a row. Everyone got ground down to the point where we had a legitimately productive conversation about abortion that didn't end up in a shitfest. | ||
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JimmiC
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