US Politics Feedback Thread - Page 208

On January 05 2019 04:58 LegalLord wrote:
I do have to note: it did not take particularly long to go from “Introvert is proof that we can have productive, high quality discussions with conservatives” to discussing how problematic his posting is, how his ideas are mired in hyperbole, how there’s a history of doing wrong, and how people are tired of it - just the same cycle as every other active predecessor. It’s not surprising, but, well, here we are.

On January 05 2019 05:51 Nebuchad wrote:
The distinction between politics and Politics is relevant here I think (and yeah, I believe that distinction originally comes from a nazi philosopher, but it makes sense). politics is basically the difference between the democrats and the republicans, we have a lot of agreement on what the best system is and how things should work in general, with some differences in key areas whose importance is arguably a little played up. Politics are more radical, and demand a greater change in society in order to be achieved. Increasingly, as the system with which we were doing politics (liberalism) looks to more and more people to be a failure, for reasons that I find difficult to argue against, we run into a bunch of people who want to do Politics, be it on the left or the right. And that's something that people who are used to talking about politics will have a hard time reacting to. politics are a lot more civil, they don't demand that you question your own beliefs a whole lot.

Increasingly it feels like a US politics mega-thread and a US Politics mega-thread.

On January 05 2019 07:22 Plansix wrote:

I think you are partially correct, but also the mode of Political discussion has been polluted and weaponized as a way to kill discussion. Falling recently came into discuss immigration and has the rhetorical question “Do you support open borders?” Previously this mode of questioning would not have been a problem, rhetorical questioning is a good way to flesh out viewpoints. But since the 2016 election, there has been a realization that the traditional modes of political discussion are being used in bad faith to either reset topics back to their baseline or burned the other side with positions they do not support. So Falling’s perfectly reasonable question was met with an aggressive response. Not because people think he is bad, but because folks are just tired of being talked in circles and he used the questioning technique so many trolls have adopted.

The thread and it’s members changed the way they discussed things and home much good faith they were willing to put into a discussion. Topics because less abstract.

Also, I dislike the framing that the discussion doesn’t challenge people’s viewpoints just because the viewpoints you want to challenged are not being challenged in the manner you would prefer.

On January 05 2019 07:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
I think the juxtaposition of My, LL's, and Neb's post with Farv and P6 kinda says it all really.

EDIT: Much better P6 (the post after this) but I don't think that's what Neb was saying.

On January 05 2019 07:35 Plansix wrote:

You do know I respond to different posters in different ways? I’m pretty open about my opinion that LL is a troll who is only really concerned with stirring up drama. His “concern” about the state of the thread is undercut by his love of dropping shots about “electability” into his posts for months after the election. Or that time he argued that Russia totally didn’t invade Ukraine and kept calling it The Ukraine. Or when he pretended to be a from the UK to discuss Brexit(or something) Or that time he said a Russian spy that defected to the U.K. died a traitors death.

In conclusion, he does not get S class posting efforts.

On January 05 2019 07:27 GreenHorizons wrote:


Not sure if this is directed at my comment but if it is I just want to know what passes for quality critique of the Democratic party over in that thread or if there even is any?

On January 05 2019 07:46 Plansix wrote:

Austin Walker at Waypoint(vice media) has more to convince me of the short comings of the Democrats party than anyone on this site. He and other make a lot of the same arguments and points made in the thread and your blog. But his arguments are convincing because he is critical of himself and isn’t intrested proving that anyone who had faith in the past was an idiot.

I agree with you on a lot of a subjects. But you are so aggressively ignorant, abrasive and dickish about your views I would rather hit my knuckles with a tac hammer than discussion anything with you for long.

I'm confrontational, hardheaded (the stubborn connotations), talk a lot of trash about Democrats and relate most issues back to how I see them connecting to capitalism and other social phenomena.

On January 05 2019 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
EDIT I did just say:

On January 05 2019 21:02 Aquanim wrote:

Which of those do you think are actually bad things?

Which of them do you intend to work on changing?

On January 06 2019 06:13 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Hey, remember that time you claimed to live in UK, Russia and USA all at the same time, depending on which thread you were posting at the time? 10/10

On January 06 2019 06:50 GreenHorizons wrote:


You helped me understand how a lot of people here see me. I thought all you did was stir shit but when I checked realized you contribute other not shit stirring posts too, I just mostly see/remember the shit stirring.

On January 06 2019 07:15 Excludos wrote:


This is like 90% of the people in the politics thread I dislike. They become completely different people (from my perspective) in any other thread on the site. Which I guess is the exact reason why they have their own ban list instead of following the site wide one.

Edit: Honestly this effect is so weird it should have its own scientific name or something. The Liquid Politics Shitbag effect?

On January 06 2019 08:12 Gorsameth wrote:
I think its the nature of politics and the subject matter.

We can have a disagreement about whether Protoss is OP or if Siege Tanks are balanced but its still just a game and I don't think less of you as a person for your opinions.
In politics your dealing with real life consequences and an opinion like 'we should get rid of the ACA' has real effect on people.
The stakes are higher and as such tensions tend to run higher aswell.

Its hardly a situation that is unique to TL.

On January 06 2019 09:54 Danglars wrote:
The old rules on politeness advise not discussing religion or politics. This is the reason for that.

On January 06 2019 08:17 GreenHorizons wrote:


tbh when I look at some of the posts about balance or who the best player is that stuff gets more heated and personal than is allowed in the politics thread from my perspective.