EPTYou have the thread that you deserve. And many of you are happy with it, which is fine with me. However, if you are one of those people who like what the US Politics has turned into, stay out of GH’s thread. It’s not for you.
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
You have the thread that you deserve. And many of you are happy with it, which is fine with me. However, if you are one of those people who like what the US Politics has turned into, stay out of GH’s thread. It’s not for you. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8242 Posts
On October 21 2018 01:02 xDaunt wrote: Everything that is wrong with the US Politics thread is well-chronicled in here, and has been since this thread was created. We tried to warn you, yet we were ignored or mocked. You have the thread that you deserve. And many of you are happy with it, which is fine with me. However, if you are one of those people who like what the US Politics has turned into, stay out of GH’s thread. It’s not for you. So basically: If you're unable to keep within the rules of civility then join GHs thread, else keep to the regular one. This might come as a complete shock to you, but arguing in the US politics thread isn't frowned upon, even if you are in the minority. It's the "keep within the rules" part that some people have a problem with. If that is "what the US Politics has turned into" then that is fine by me, but you can't complain about an echo chamber and then move on to your own thread where "the meanies will leave you alone", thereby creating exactly what you've always complained about. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8242 Posts
On October 20 2018 15:50 GreenHorizons wrote: Outside of Democrats being less than impressive, what exactly is getting echo'd in the Blog? The majority (not all tho) of people who kept getting banned in the regular thread were/are conservatives. If everyone of those moves to their own thread then of course it's going to become an echo chamber. Both threads in fact will move towards that. I dislike having a second thread because it excuses bad behaviour (I can just go to the other one if I get banned) and creates two separate echo chambers instead of having one where discussions can take place. And yes, arguments (within the rules of civility) are not only good but also kinda required for politics, otherwise you'll easily end up in your own bubble. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 20 2018 15:50 GreenHorizons wrote: Outside of Democrats being less than impressive, what exactly is getting echo'd in the Blog? xDaunt is chugging Trump Kool AidTM which I don't quite remember to the same extent in the main thread. It does seem as though the conservative views are more unvarnished in your thread. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Of the ~10 people that post there, I count two who are actually threadbanned at the moment, two who are not but have entirely stopped posting in the main thread, and at least six who post at least occasionally in both. In all honesty, it's basically the same concept but a different mix of participants. The general "consensus" opinions differ a fair bit but there's certainly a range of opinions held by the participants. It's no more of an echo chamber than the original. But the discussion is definitely following a different set of rules. And that certainly doesn't sound like a thread just for those who are banned. It's certainly lasted longer than I expected, and it's an interesting experiment, although not really more than that. I do find it curious that at least two people seem to be significantly bothered by the thread's existence when it's hidden enough that all you have to do to not ever see it is never to look at at it. Perhaps, though, it's a good indicator that many of those so-called "problematic" posters can have a rather cordial discussion that continues for a decent span of time once you remove the so-called "civil" posters who aggressively pile on said posters' "bad faith discussion" in the main thread. If anything, why not just be pleased that the problematic posters are no longer a thorn in your side, providing an excellent existing place for the rest of the good boys and girls to have their own discussion uninterrupted within the main thread? That is, ultimately, what you want, right? User was warned for this post. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8242 Posts
On October 21 2018 03:04 LegalLord wrote:If anything, why not just be pleased that the problematic posters are no longer a thorn in your side, providing an excellent existing place for the rest of the good boys and girls to have their own discussion uninterrupted within the main thread? That is, ultimately, what you want, right? On one hand, I agree with you. I'm glad to get rid of people I myself deem unreasonable (and who surely thinks the same of me). On the other I think this potentially just creates two echo chambers instead of having one thread where discussions from both sides can take place. I also think this can create a culture where people are even more brazen in the original thread because "it doesn't matter if I get banned, I can just jump to the other thread", tho that said people who were repeatedly banned in the original one weren't exactly holding back previously. I dunno, I have mixed feelings. Maybe it's just best to see where this goes for now. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11774 Posts
From my personal experience, i can say that at this point i dread to enter GHs blog, because it seems to be very focused on the hardcore US rightwing spin of literally everything, with a tone that makes it clear that any dissent is to be ridiculed. The main people who act that way are xDaunt and Danglers, who echo each other. Maybe this is an attempt to show other people how they feel they were treated in the main thread. I don't know. But i have at this point lost any interest to conflict the stuff that is being said in that thread, because it would basically be a fulltime job just to start to dissect the bullshit. They get along with GH rather well because they all agree to hate the mainstream democrats, and manage to read each others posts in a way that makes them feel that the other conceded that they have won. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On October 21 2018 06:37 Simberto wrote: It's definitively an interesting experiment. From my personal experience, i can say that at this point i dread to enter GHs blog, because it seems to be very focused on the hardcore US rightwing spin of literally everything, with a tone that makes it clear that any dissent is to be ridiculed. The main people who act that way are xDaunt and Danglers, who echo each other. Maybe this is an attempt to show other people how they feel they were treated in the main thread. I don't know. But i have at this point lost any interest to conflict the stuff that is being said in that thread, because it would basically be a fulltime job just to start to dissect the bullshit. They get along with GH rather well because they all agree to hate the mainstream democrats, and manage to read each others posts in a way that makes them feel that the other conceded that they have won. Dave has certainly been trying. And honestly, I don't think I could make any of his points any better than he has. And the responses made to him so far rank among the dumbest things I've ever read on the forum. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23713 Posts
On October 21 2018 11:29 NewSunshine wrote: Dave has certainly been trying. And honestly, I don't think I could make any of his points any better than he has. And the responses made to him so far rank among the dumbest things I've ever read on the forum. The thread has like a page of discussion on Breaking Bad, danglars is far from my favorite poster but even his posts aren't as dumb as many of those were. The conversation is whatever the posters there post about. If there's too much conservative posts for liberals liking that's a them problem. They can balance out the posts or argue why they think the post should be actioned or whatever, instead you guys are doing whatever this is for no clear reason. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
That seems to be a success. This is so they don't go moaning in the website feedback US pol thread about being constantly banned for being condescending assholes. This seems to have failed. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23713 Posts
On October 22 2018 21:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I thought the purpose of the blog thread was so all the people who keep getting banned for being condescending assholes would have somewhere else to post unmoderated. That seems to be a success. This is so they don't go moaning in the website feedback US pol thread about being constantly banned for being condescending assholes. This seems to have failed. It seems that you aren't very familiar with the blog, but it's not unmoderated nor are several posters ones that have been regularly (or at all afaik) banned for being condescending assholes. fwiw I don't think any of us had a problem with getting banned or have complained about it since the blog has been up. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 21 2018 06:37 Simberto wrote: It's definitively an interesting experiment. From my personal experience, i can say that at this point i dread to enter GHs blog, because it seems to be very focused on the hardcore US rightwing spin of literally everything, with a tone that makes it clear that any dissent is to be ridiculed. The main people who act that way are xDaunt and Danglers, who echo each other. Maybe this is an attempt to show other people how they feel they were treated in the main thread. I don't know. But i have at this point lost any interest to conflict the stuff that is being said in that thread, because it would basically be a fulltime job just to start to dissect the bullshit. They get along with GH rather well because they all agree to hate the mainstream democrats, and manage to read each others posts in a way that makes them feel that the other conceded that they have won. I pretty much agree with this sentiment. It is a blog unified by grievances, an echo chamber all unto itself. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23713 Posts
On October 23 2018 00:58 Plansix wrote: I pretty much agree with this sentiment. It is a blog unified by grievances, an echo chamber all unto itself. You guys really want to push this "echo chamber" thing even if you have to distort the concept beyond recognition huh? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 23 2018 01:11 GreenHorizons wrote: You guys really want to push this "echo chamber" thing even if you have to distort the concept beyond recognition huh? Has echo chamber ever has a proper definition? It is a pejorative used when an individual does not see their specific viewpoint expressed to their satisfaction. There are conflicting view points in the main thread, but they do not overtly express the accepted left v right or progressive v Democrats dynamic, so it is an echo chamber for people invested in those conflicts. The existence of an echo chamber is simply a matter of perspective. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23713 Posts
On October 23 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Has echo chamber ever has a proper definition? It is a pejorative used when an individual does not see their specific viewpoint expressed to their satisfaction. There are conflicting view points in the main thread, but they do not overtly express the accepted left v right or progressive v Democrats dynamic, so it is an echo chamber for people invested in those conflicts. The existence of an echo chamber is simply a matter of perspective. Sort of: “Echo chamber” is a term widely used in today’s lexicon, that describes a situation where certain ideas, beliefs or data points are reinforced through repetition of a closed system that does not allow for the free movement of alternative or competing ideas or concepts. In an echo chamber, there is the implication that certain ideas or outcomes win out because of an inherent unfairness in how input is gathered. It can be used superficially/pejoratively as it has been here by several people or it can be used descriptively as part of a larger argument as some others have used it. I suppose there could be a discussion about whether that definition sufficiently conveys the intended meaning or whether there are better/more accurate terms for what the various people are referring to when they use it and whether their perception is supported by the content of the Blog/Thread. But I think the wiser move for me is to not take the bait and just let posters think whatever they want about the Blog whether they have made any sincere effort to contribute to it or not. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 23 2018 01:38 GreenHorizons wrote: Sort of: It can be used superficially/pejoratively as it has been here by several people or it can be used descriptively as part of a larger argument as some others have used it. I suppose there could be a discussion about whether that definition sufficiently conveys the intended meaning or whether there are better/more accurate terms for what the various people are referring to when they use it and whether their perception is supported by the content of the Blog/Thread. But I think the wiser move for me is to not take the bait and just let posters think whatever they want about the Blog whether they have made any sincere effort to contribute to it or not. I’m not taking any bait, I’m simply expressing my views on Xdaunt’s and Doomsmack’s critique of the threads/blog. The term, as it is used in the current discussions, applies to both. It is also effectively useless, but that has never bothered people before. The blog and the thread are fine. It is reflective of how the modern day political discourse has gone and I don’t think we at TL are going to crack that nut by pure force of will and moderation. Time will pass, things will change. No need to force it. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12410 Posts
On October 21 2018 06:37 Simberto wrote: From my personal experience, i can say that at this point i dread to enter GHs blog, because it seems to be very focused on the hardcore US rightwing spin of literally everything, with a tone that makes it clear that any dissent is to be ridiculed. It's not my place to question how you feel, of course, but I don't think that's a great reason to dread to enter the blog. Danglars is going to Danglars wherever he is, you can sometimes have discussions with xDaunt, and the rest are mostly fine. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On October 22 2018 21:37 GreenHorizons wrote: It seems that you aren't very familiar with the blog, but it's not unmoderated nor are several posters ones that have been regularly (or at all afaik) banned for being condescending assholes. fwiw I don't think any of us had a problem with getting banned or have complained about it since the blog has been up. And yet you and xdaunt are here moaning about the US pol thread. Also: anybody noticed how creepy xdaunt's post is? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23713 Posts
On October 23 2018 23:21 Dangermousecatdog wrote: And yet you and xdaunt are here moaning about the US pol thread. Also: anybody noticed how creepy xdaunt's post is? I didn't mean to complain about the thread but simply make a point about the Blog. Sorry if that's what got communicated. | ||
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