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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 23 2018 15:45 GMT
#4001
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 24 2018 09:56 GMT
#4002
On October 23 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2018 01:11 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 23 2018 00:58 Plansix wrote:
On October 21 2018 06:37 Simberto wrote:
It's definitively an interesting experiment.

From my personal experience, i can say that at this point i dread to enter GHs blog, because it seems to be very focused on the hardcore US rightwing spin of literally everything, with a tone that makes it clear that any dissent is to be ridiculed. The main people who act that way are xDaunt and Danglers, who echo each other.

Maybe this is an attempt to show other people how they feel they were treated in the main thread. I don't know. But i have at this point lost any interest to conflict the stuff that is being said in that thread, because it would basically be a fulltime job just to start to dissect the bullshit.

They get along with GH rather well because they all agree to hate the mainstream democrats, and manage to read each others posts in a way that makes them feel that the other conceded that they have won.


I pretty much agree with this sentiment. It is a blog unified by grievances, an echo chamber all unto itself.


You guys really want to push this "echo chamber" thing even if you have to distort the concept beyond recognition huh?

Has echo chamber ever has a proper definition? It is a pejorative used when an individual does not see their specific viewpoint expressed to their satisfaction. There are conflicting view points in the main thread, but they do not overtly express the accepted left v right or progressive v Democrats dynamic, so it is an echo chamber for people invested in those conflicts.

The existence of an echo chamber is simply a matter of perspective.


The presence of a vociferous argument about the transgender issue seems to contradict the idea of the blog being an echo chamber. There's several left or leftish posters in there, and several right or rightish posters. It may have started just as people upset with the direction of the main thread but I feel it's grown beyond that.

Of course that doesn't speak to the quality or lack of it in the discourse, but that's for readers to decide. I imagine GH intends to mod for quality and I don't think he's modded many people so far so I assume he's quite happy with the discourse level so far.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37076 Posts
October 24 2018 13:38 GMT
#4003
On October 24 2018 18:56 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote:
On October 23 2018 01:11 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 23 2018 00:58 Plansix wrote:
On October 21 2018 06:37 Simberto wrote:
It's definitively an interesting experiment.

From my personal experience, i can say that at this point i dread to enter GHs blog, because it seems to be very focused on the hardcore US rightwing spin of literally everything, with a tone that makes it clear that any dissent is to be ridiculed. The main people who act that way are xDaunt and Danglers, who echo each other.

Maybe this is an attempt to show other people how they feel they were treated in the main thread. I don't know. But i have at this point lost any interest to conflict the stuff that is being said in that thread, because it would basically be a fulltime job just to start to dissect the bullshit.

They get along with GH rather well because they all agree to hate the mainstream democrats, and manage to read each others posts in a way that makes them feel that the other conceded that they have won.


I pretty much agree with this sentiment. It is a blog unified by grievances, an echo chamber all unto itself.


You guys really want to push this "echo chamber" thing even if you have to distort the concept beyond recognition huh?

Has echo chamber ever has a proper definition? It is a pejorative used when an individual does not see their specific viewpoint expressed to their satisfaction. There are conflicting view points in the main thread, but they do not overtly express the accepted left v right or progressive v Democrats dynamic, so it is an echo chamber for people invested in those conflicts.

The existence of an echo chamber is simply a matter of perspective.


The presence of a vociferous argument about the transgender issue seems to contradict the idea of the blog being an echo chamber. There's several left or leftish posters in there, and several right or rightish posters. It may have started just as people upset with the direction of the main thread but I feel it's grown beyond that.

Of course that doesn't speak to the quality or lack of it in the discourse, but that's for readers to decide. I imagine GH intends to mod for quality and I don't think he's modded many people so far so I assume he's quite happy with the discourse level so far.

GH has no power or jurisdiction on TL. If he tries to “mod” anything, I’ll ban his ass right away.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9844 Posts
October 24 2018 13:48 GMT
#4004
On October 24 2018 22:38 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2018 18:56 iamthedave wrote:
On October 23 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote:
On October 23 2018 01:11 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 23 2018 00:58 Plansix wrote:
On October 21 2018 06:37 Simberto wrote:
It's definitively an interesting experiment.

From my personal experience, i can say that at this point i dread to enter GHs blog, because it seems to be very focused on the hardcore US rightwing spin of literally everything, with a tone that makes it clear that any dissent is to be ridiculed. The main people who act that way are xDaunt and Danglers, who echo each other.

Maybe this is an attempt to show other people how they feel they were treated in the main thread. I don't know. But i have at this point lost any interest to conflict the stuff that is being said in that thread, because it would basically be a fulltime job just to start to dissect the bullshit.

They get along with GH rather well because they all agree to hate the mainstream democrats, and manage to read each others posts in a way that makes them feel that the other conceded that they have won.


I pretty much agree with this sentiment. It is a blog unified by grievances, an echo chamber all unto itself.


You guys really want to push this "echo chamber" thing even if you have to distort the concept beyond recognition huh?

Has echo chamber ever has a proper definition? It is a pejorative used when an individual does not see their specific viewpoint expressed to their satisfaction. There are conflicting view points in the main thread, but they do not overtly express the accepted left v right or progressive v Democrats dynamic, so it is an echo chamber for people invested in those conflicts.

The existence of an echo chamber is simply a matter of perspective.


The presence of a vociferous argument about the transgender issue seems to contradict the idea of the blog being an echo chamber. There's several left or leftish posters in there, and several right or rightish posters. It may have started just as people upset with the direction of the main thread but I feel it's grown beyond that.

Of course that doesn't speak to the quality or lack of it in the discourse, but that's for readers to decide. I imagine GH intends to mod for quality and I don't think he's modded many people so far so I assume he's quite happy with the discourse level so far.

GH has no power or jurisdiction on TL. If he tries to “mod” anything, I’ll ban his ass right away.


I thought he was at the center of the secret marxist plot to deny kickboxer his right to an opinion.
Mind you, its a secret plot so you would never admit it anyway.
Carry on.
RIP Meatloaf <3
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
October 24 2018 13:56 GMT
#4005
Did somebody say jurisdiction? I love jurisdiction :D
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
October 24 2018 14:03 GMT
#4006
I think they're onto us Seeker
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 24 2018 17:10 GMT
#4007
On October 24 2018 22:56 farvacola wrote:
Did somebody say jurisdiction? I love jurisdiction :D

Number one reason to punt terrible cases to a lower court?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6105 Posts
November 03 2018 11:11 GMT
#4008
I suggest the thread prohibit all instances of the words Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, left, right, and so on.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 05 2018 13:53 GMT
#4009
I suggested that wide sweeping generalisations of political spectrum should be moderated a while ago, but no one really cared for it.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8254 Posts
November 05 2018 16:24 GMT
#4010
On November 03 2018 20:11 oBlade wrote:
I suggest the thread prohibit all instances of the words Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, left, right, and so on.


That would be an interesting experiment, if only for a short time to see how it goes.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 05 2018 16:42 GMT
#4011
On November 05 2018 22:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I suggested that wide sweeping generalisations of political spectrum should be moderated a while ago, but no one really cared for it.

I want the word “the media” to never appear in the thread again. It lacks the specifics necessary specifics to have any meaningful discussion.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-06 00:04:28
November 06 2018 00:04 GMT
#4012
I've got the impression the moderation on the forum is heavily biased against certain perspective. Obvious hiperbole from one side is considered "trolling worthy of LIFETIME ban" while calling the POTUS "a murderer and genocidal" is perfectly ok, not even a warning. (this is my experience)

Is it of public knowledge how many admins moderate it, and how each of them leans politically?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 06 2018 00:41 GMT
#4013
On November 06 2018 09:04 GoTuNk! wrote:
I've got the impression the moderation on the forum is heavily biased against certain perspective. Obvious hiperbole from one side is considered "trolling worthy of LIFETIME ban" while calling the POTUS "a murderer and genocidal" is perfectly ok, not even a warning. (this is my experience)

Is it of public knowledge how many admins moderate it, and how each of them leans politically?

Does it really matter when you post like an asshole conspiracy theorist?

Left and right leaning posters have been thread banned. No one gets banned from the thread for their political leaning. They get banned for posting like a dick.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-06 01:06:44
November 06 2018 01:06 GMT
#4014
On November 06 2018 09:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 09:04 GoTuNk! wrote:
I've got the impression the moderation on the forum is heavily biased against certain perspective. Obvious hiperbole from one side is considered "trolling worthy of LIFETIME ban" while calling the POTUS "a murderer and genocidal" is perfectly ok, not even a warning. (this is my experience)

Is it of public knowledge how many admins moderate it, and how each of them leans politically?

Does it really matter when you post like an asshole conspiracy theorist?

Left and right leaning posters have been thread banned. No one gets banned from the thread for their political leaning. They get banned for posting like a dick.


Can I get a level-headed answer from a moderator instead of random insults from a poster of the regular forum? How is this in any way acceptable?


GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
November 06 2018 01:08 GMT
#4015
On November 06 2018 10:06 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 09:41 Plansix wrote:
On November 06 2018 09:04 GoTuNk! wrote:
I've got the impression the moderation on the forum is heavily biased against certain perspective. Obvious hiperbole from one side is considered "trolling worthy of LIFETIME ban" while calling the POTUS "a murderer and genocidal" is perfectly ok, not even a warning. (this is my experience)

Is it of public knowledge how many admins moderate it, and how each of them leans politically?

Does it really matter when you post like an asshole conspiracy theorist?

Left and right leaning posters have been thread banned. No one gets banned from the thread for their political leaning. They get banned for posting like a dick.


Can I get a level-headed answer from a moderator instead of random insults from a poster of the regular form? How is this in any way acceptable?




Good luck.

As to P6's comment, it does a rather good job of demonstrating the asshole posts being actioned is a matter of perspective that they keep having interrupted from a variety of political perspectives.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 06 2018 11:50 GMT
#4016
On November 06 2018 09:04 GoTuNk! wrote:
I've got the impression the moderation on the forum is heavily biased against certain perspective. Obvious hiperbole from one side is considered "trolling worthy of LIFETIME ban" while calling the POTUS "a murderer and genocidal" is perfectly ok, not even a warning. (this is my experience)

Is it of public knowledge how many admins moderate it, and how each of them leans politically?

Would be nice if we know who or what you are refering to?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-06 12:32:13
November 06 2018 11:54 GMT
#4017
On November 06 2018 20:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 09:04 GoTuNk! wrote:
I've got the impression the moderation on the forum is heavily biased against certain perspective. Obvious hiperbole from one side is considered "trolling worthy of LIFETIME ban" while calling the POTUS "a murderer and genocidal" is perfectly ok, not even a warning. (this is my experience)

Is it of public knowledge how many admins moderate it, and how each of them leans politically?

Would be nice if we know who or what you are refering to?


I got banned for exagerating, can't remember who the other poster was but he doubled down that rolling back on obamacare was the same as commiting genocide. Most of the "conservative posters" on the thread are gone, but what I consider hardcore leftist are allowed with extremely agressive posting and roaming both the original thread and this one, for example "Plansix" a few posts above.
It's just an example anyway, the moderation team should be somewhat unbiased politically that's why I'm asking.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9844 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-06 13:06:34
November 06 2018 13:05 GMT
#4018
On November 06 2018 20:54 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 20:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On November 06 2018 09:04 GoTuNk! wrote:
I've got the impression the moderation on the forum is heavily biased against certain perspective. Obvious hiperbole from one side is considered "trolling worthy of LIFETIME ban" while calling the POTUS "a murderer and genocidal" is perfectly ok, not even a warning. (this is my experience)

Is it of public knowledge how many admins moderate it, and how each of them leans politically?

Would be nice if we know who or what you are refering to?


I got banned for exagerating, can't remember who the other poster was but he doubled down that rolling back on obamacare was the same as commiting genocide. Most of the "conservative posters" on the thread are gone, but what I consider hardcore leftist are allowed with extremely agressive posting and roaming both the original thread and this one, for example "Plansix" a few posts above.
It's just an example anyway, the moderation team should be somewhat unbiased politically that's why I'm asking.


Firstly, its not hyperbole to say that leftist mobs are lynching people in restaurants (I assume this is what the ban is for), its just not true at all.

Secondly, there isn't really an 'unbiased' in political discussion. The moderation team should make it clear what is or is not acceptable (they do this) and then enforce it. They take into account things like your general demeanour, posting history etc.

If every politics post you make comes across as you just trying to start a fight over nothing then you might get a ban for it. Posts by different posters aren't treated equally, not because of your political affiliation but more because of your general manner and how you talk to people.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11825 Posts
November 06 2018 13:22 GMT
#4019
On November 06 2018 20:54 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 20:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On November 06 2018 09:04 GoTuNk! wrote:
I've got the impression the moderation on the forum is heavily biased against certain perspective. Obvious hiperbole from one side is considered "trolling worthy of LIFETIME ban" while calling the POTUS "a murderer and genocidal" is perfectly ok, not even a warning. (this is my experience)

Is it of public knowledge how many admins moderate it, and how each of them leans politically?

Would be nice if we know who or what you are refering to?


I got banned for exagerating, can't remember who the other poster was but he doubled down that rolling back on obamacare was the same as commiting genocide. Most of the "conservative posters" on the thread are gone, but what I consider hardcore leftist are allowed with extremely agressive posting and roaming both the original thread and this one, for example "Plansix" a few posts above.
It's just an example anyway, the moderation team should be somewhat unbiased politically that's why I'm asking.


I think the problem may be that you consider almost everyone who isn't at the rightmost edge of the GOP a "hardcore leftist". That shifts your view in such a way that you assume that "hardcore leftists roam with aggressive posting"
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 06 2018 14:13 GMT
#4020
On November 06 2018 20:54 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 20:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On November 06 2018 09:04 GoTuNk! wrote:
I've got the impression the moderation on the forum is heavily biased against certain perspective. Obvious hiperbole from one side is considered "trolling worthy of LIFETIME ban" while calling the POTUS "a murderer and genocidal" is perfectly ok, not even a warning. (this is my experience)

Is it of public knowledge how many admins moderate it, and how each of them leans politically?

Would be nice if we know who or what you are refering to?


I got banned for exagerating, can't remember who the other poster was but he doubled down that rolling back on obamacare was the same as commiting genocide. Most of the "conservative posters" on the thread are gone, but what I consider hardcore leftist are allowed with extremely agressive posting and roaming both the original thread and this one, for example "Plansix" a few posts above.
It's just an example anyway, the moderation team should be somewhat unbiased politically that's why I'm asking.

GoTunk! you are a pretty good example of why wide sweeping generalisations of political spectrum should be moderated. Anyways, you are refering to yourself being banned, (are you lifetime banned?), but you can't even tell us exactly what you was banned for. Don't faff around, tell us directly or link the post.
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