EPTI'm not really sure how polls work on TL btw, do you have to an account to vote? I've logged out and it says I've voted so its IP based right? I was under the impression TL kept a database of IP's user accounts used so you guys can weed out PBU's.
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zeo
Serbia6299 Posts
I'm not really sure how polls work on TL btw, do you have to an account to vote? I've logged out and it says I've voted so its IP based right? I was under the impression TL kept a database of IP's user accounts used so you guys can weed out PBU's. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28702 Posts
The non-conspiratorial way of thinking about it is to assume that the people who voted voted for the candidate they supported rather than have it be some weird reverse-psychology? I mean, it's already well-documented that Trump supporters from reddit and 4chan did flood online polls after the debate, you're the only person I've seen make the claim, anywhere, that Hillary supporters flooded polls pretending to be Trump supporters. I also didn't see how badly the thread poll was hijacked - last time I saw it it was like 130 vs 28 or something. | ||
KwarK
United States43186 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6299 Posts
It still doesn't make sense to brigade polls almost 2 days after the fact when the whole internet is crying wolf. Literally every Clinton 'fan' is talking about poll rigging on every single bloody website where politics is discussed. Keep in mind we are not really important, no one is going to cite the 'TL general forum poll' on CNN. This will be my last post on the subject. I just wanted to know if it was a spammbot using a script. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23433 Posts
On September 29 2016 08:56 LegalLord wrote: My guess is it's just someone trolling. Wouldn't be slightly surprised to find out they aren't even interested in politics, they just saw an opportunity for a troll that would get some attention. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
the late start of it does favor a copycat troll. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
I know it sucks and it's easy to suggest because I'm not the one who would have to sacrifice my time to do it, but those types of mods would be the best moderators for the thread. That or just close it altogether. The quality of the thread is a disgrace to TL standards for posting and has been for the past few months. It's better to just quarantine the bathroom if the toilet is stuffed full of shit rather than let it stink up the entire hallway from continued use. Just my two cents | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28702 Posts
Not that I even agree with your assessment, but even if I did I don't know if I'd accept your analogy.  | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
If they go shit in the hallway after closing down the clogged toilets, I assume it would be more appropriately moderated. There's this stigma of 'well if people keep shitting in this bathroom, even though the toilet doesn't work, it must be okay'. Whereas under no circumstance is it supposed to be okay to shit in the hallway. It's like there's a -not my job- sign hanging above this thread when it comes to moderation. But that's fine. I expect just as many or more disagree with my assessment than agree with it. Stinks like shit to me but if it doesn't bother you I'll just leave you to it and use another bathroom. Ideally, a cleaner one. Just offering my website feedback in the appropriate location. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21923 Posts
On October 03 2016 07:17 IgnE wrote: what are you even talking about? I assume GG believes he was unjustly banned over his "calling black people monkies is not racist" comment and thinks the ban was politically motivated. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
The shittiness in the thread almost always comes right back to the same topic: racism. Literally every time, that's the topic that comes up when people start complaining about how bad the thread is going. It's a relevant and important topic, but it almost always ends badly. I myself have generally chosen to stay away from it. Usually when the thread gets into a particularly heated race-related argument, it's particularly unserviceable for any amount of time from a day to a week, and I find myself glossing over it until the topic dies. The alternative is worse; namely, getting neck-deep in the shitty flame war that that always turns out to be. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23433 Posts
On October 03 2016 11:22 LegalLord wrote: As I said before, that topic got severely out of hand to the point that someone needed to be banned, and GG just happened to be the obvious choice. Fair or not, most would agree that he was the obvious choice to receive a ban. The shittiness in the thread almost always comes right back to the same topic: racism. Literally every time, that's the topic that comes up when people start complaining about how bad the thread is going. It's a relevant and important topic, but it almost always ends badly. I myself have generally chosen to stay away from it. Usually when the thread gets into a particularly heated race-related argument, it's particularly unserviceable for any amount of time from a day to a week, and I find myself glossing over it until the topic dies. The alternative is worse; namely, getting neck-deep in the shitty flame war that that always turns out to be. You know, if there weren't still wide swaths of PoC being denied their constitutional rights it probably wouldn't come up as much? Maybe do your duty to your fellow Americans and reduce the frequency the topic comes up by standing with them (two birds one stone)? Or you know, do what most of what white America is doing and keep complaining about how millions of people being denied their rights resulting in protests and speaking out, inconveniences you all, since talking about (let alone actually doing anything about) it seems to be too hard. Though I wouldn't be surprised for people to come to the conclusion that we just shouldn't be allowed to talk about racial issues. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
People who don't care about the topic won't care to have to moderate it. gg -> would you prefer some people from the thread moderate it, or would you prefer the status quo, if those were the only two options? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On October 03 2016 12:45 GreenHorizons wrote: You know, if there weren't still wide swaths of PoC being denied their constitutional rights it probably wouldn't come up as much? Maybe do your duty to your fellow Americans and reduce the frequency the topic comes up by standing with them (two birds one stone)? Or you know, do what most of what white America is doing and keep complaining about how millions of people being denied their rights resulting in protests and speaking out, inconveniences you all, since talking about (let alone actually doing anything about) it seems to be too hard. Though I wouldn't be surprised for people to come to the conclusion that we just shouldn't be allowed to talk about racial issues. It's well-acknowledged that it's an important issue. However, this sort of insistence that it must be talked about, that it's so important that it cannot be ignored, that it doesn't matter how you go about it because the ends justify the means, is very much akin to religious zealotry or annoying evangelists and has the same sort of poisonous effect on the discussion. Like, an issue whose very mention triggers half the people in the thread lends itself to a flame war is generally an issue that is hard to discuss without descending into a flame war. And that's why that topic is always shitty whenever it comes up. How moderation should deal with that, is not my call to make and not a matter I want to provide an opinion on. But I will simply note that the discussion of racism is the very reason for the existence of this thread, and the major topic that keeps it alive most of the time. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23433 Posts
On October 03 2016 23:30 LegalLord wrote: It's well-acknowledged that it's an important issue. However, this sort of insistence that it must be talked about, that it's so important that it cannot be ignored, that it doesn't matter how you go about it because the ends justify the means, is very much akin to religious zealotry or annoying evangelists and has the same sort of poisonous effect on the discussion. Like, an issue whose very mention triggers half the people in the thread lends itself to a flame war is generally an issue that is hard to discuss without descending into a flame war. And that's why that topic is always shitty whenever it comes up. How moderation should deal with that, is not my call to make and not a matter I want to provide an opinion on. But I will simply note that the discussion of racism is the very reason for the existence of this thread, and the major topic that keeps it alive most of the time. TL let a lot of racist stuff slide for a long time, the mess isn't getting any smaller by ignoring it or complaining about it being hard to clean up. Given the opportunity I'd gladly take the side of "tired of discussing racism" instead of the "tired of waiting for people to stop reinforcing the idea that their inability to talk honestly about race is an excuse to drop the discussion" If it was you, your family, and millions of Americans you respected having your's and their constitutional rights systemically denied and abused across the country you would wonder why it's not ALWAYS the topic of a thread on US politics, not complaining about how some people can't handle getting called out. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Since this topic is at the core of a lot of flame wars, it may be worth setting a few rules that will keep the discussion from its occasional descent into pure stupidity. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 05 2016 07:33 LegalLord wrote: Discussions akin to a flame war aren't the way to deal with racism, that much I'm quite sure of. Since this topic is at the core of a lot of flame wars, it may be worth setting a few rules that will keep the discussion from its occasional descent into pure stupidity. If all else fails, we can just ignore the imbeciles and children who aren't capable of having the big boy discussion. It's very clear to me where and why things turned ugly. | ||
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KwarK
United States43186 Posts
On October 05 2016 10:53 xDaunt wrote: If all else fails, we can just ignore the imbeciles and children who aren't capable of having the big boy discussion. It's very clear to me where and why things turned ugly. The bit where you said that black people are vermin? Or the bit where other people called you out on that? | ||
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