EPTUS Politics Feedback Thread - Page 15
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IgnE
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 05 2016 10:54 KwarK wrote: The bit where you said that black people are vermin? Or the bit where other people called you out on that? Every time people say things like this I just have to think how much of a disingenuous liar can you be while still sleeping at night thinking you're in the right. He called the people vermin for what they were doing and how they were behaving. You're the one injecting race into this. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18320 Posts
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oBlade
United States6241 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 06 2016 08:22 Acrofales wrote: Not this again. Ffs. I agree I'd like to see people, especially a mod, stop spreading bullshit lies from an argument over a week ago "this person called x person retarded" does not equate to "this person called (generalized group x belong to) people retarded" On October 06 2016 08:28 oBlade wrote: Some of us could use a little moveon.org. I agree. Kwark should stop saying xDaunt is saying things he didn't in an argument from over a week ago as some means of dishonestly insulting him | ||
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farvacola
United States18864 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 06 2016 08:47 farvacola wrote: lol, xDaunt doesn't need you to defend him, he's perfectly capable of doing so on his own. This really doesn't have anything to do with defending him so much as it does getting Kwark to stop dishonestly shitting at people over an argument from a week or two ago an argument I think none of you are interested in revisiting yet still want to bring up 2 weeks later | ||
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farvacola
United States18864 Posts
On October 06 2016 08:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote: This really doesn't have anything to do with defending him so much as it does getting Kwark to stop dishonestly shitting at people over an argument from a week or two ago an argument I think none of you are interested in revisiting yet still want to bring up 2 weeks later ok so here's my take things as they stand; TL really wishes it could get rid of its general threads (which are, by definition, superfluous relative to the site's mainstream focus, namely gaming) that produce posting that may impact the site's bottom line or otherwise attract negative attention. These threads usually pertain to political, cultural, or current events related topics (though threads like the KMD used to cause a lot of needless trouble too). That said, the thread's administration recognizes that the general forum serves as a ground floor for at least some of TL's long term community, so in order to try and make ends meet, they have done their best to find competent and dedicated moderation staff who police problematic threads to the best of their ability. Naturally, this ends up looking like a long-term balancing act where current events and the spirit underlying public discourse tips the scales back and forth depending on their alignment. Unfortunately, TL also maintains the virtue of having attracted a small but vocal and relatively informed group of mostly former hardcore gamers who get a lot out of having text-based discussions of contentious topics, from simple pleasure to information to mere contact with an otherwise indiscoverable perspective (I am one such person, for example). Furthermore, this group's discussions have an uncanny knack for drawing out the most divergent outlooks relative to the current state of politics, and it is those circumstances that really push moderators to their limit in terms of making a fair determination of what is or is not an acceptable way to post. This would be why getting mods who are otherwise dealt the relatively easy hand of coming down on balance whine or SC2 v. BW or advertising bots to consistently moderate political threads is such a problem; the very kind of moderator who is best suited to neutrally moderating a political discussion is the very same mod that would have a nearly impossible time deciding which posts were appropriately actionable (KBB would rather ban us all rather than moderate us is what I'm trying to say  ) . Accordingly, the general forum (and the US politics thread specifically) is policed by under appreciated mods/administration that care about politics enough to have a sense for which posts go over "the line" while also having the fortitude to read the same goddamn threads (and oftentimes the same goddamn discussions) day in and day out. KwarK is one such mod, and while I'm sure that even he'd agree that his personal take bleeds through into his moderation at times, we have mods like him to thank for the continued existence of these threads. With that in mind, the site's reminder that this is their house and that the scales are tipped in their favor suggests to me that the site's continued policy of allowing mods like KwarK to moderate while also having a viewpoint stands as its measured decision given its available options. (the above is likely totally off-base given that I cannot access the hidden forums where these things are more openly discussed, but hey, sometimes I can't help myself, and yes, I'm aware that my general agreement with the viewpoints of mods colors my words  ) | ||
KwarK
United States44113 Posts
On October 06 2016 08:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Every time people say things like this I just have to think how much of a disingenuous liar can you be while still sleeping at night thinking you're in the right. He called the people vermin for what they were doing and how they were behaving. You're the one injecting race into this. Ah yes, back to "the people he called vermin just happened to be black why do you have to bring race into this". Never change GGTemplar, never change. | ||
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Falling
Canada11555 Posts
TL really wishes it could get rid of its general threads I don't think this is the case. It's just that the general threads tend to garner the most headache inducing moderation issues. Most everywhere else, it's usually more straightforward. And yes, I was (in between meetings) awfully close to pulling the trigger on bardtown for being obtuse and ignorant, but he stopped posting so it's just that one warning from someone else. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 06 2016 08:47 farvacola wrote: lol, xDaunt doesn't need you to defend him, he's perfectly capable of doing so on his own. There's nothing to defend. As distasteful as it is, Kwark's repeated trolling serves a purpose in that it creates the perfect barometer for me to gauge the quality of other posters. | ||
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KwarK
United States44113 Posts
On October 06 2016 11:59 xDaunt wrote: There's nothing to defend. As distasteful as it is, Kwark's repeated trolling serves a purpose in that it creates the perfect barometer for me to gauge the quality of other posters. I can only imagine how hard it would otherwise be for you to rate the quality of the people you interact with online without first seeing their skin colour. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24046 Posts
On October 06 2016 12:06 KwarK wrote: I can only imagine how hard it would otherwise be for you to rate the quality of the people you interact with online without first seeing their skin colour. I can't find the poll but CNN just put one out that said something to the effect that 81% of Republicans don't think racism is a serious problem. Probably pretty close to 100% of them don't think they are racist. If one wants to know if they say or do racist things, they just need to ask a few of their black friends (not coworkers). | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On October 06 2016 12:45 GreenHorizons wrote: I can't find the poll but CNN just put one out that said something to the effect that 81% of Republicans don't think racism is a serious problem. Probably pretty close to 100% of them don't think they are racist. If one wants to know if they say or do racist things, they just need to ask a few of their black friends (not coworkers). oh hey black friend, do i ever do anything racist? . . . wat | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
but templar, you really don't want to be revisiting that issue, and your take on it isn't really wholly accurate either. don't attack uphill into hellions with zerglings. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24046 Posts
On October 06 2016 14:15 IgnE wrote: oh hey black friend, do i ever do anything racist? . . . wat The fun was imagining them finding a few black friends  Also the look on the black friends faces if they found them. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 06 2016 22:55 zlefin wrote: kwark does need to tone it down some; but templar, you really don't want to be revisiting that issue, and your take on it isn't really wholly accurate either. don't attack uphill into hellions with zerglings. You're right I don't, which is why I'm not the one who wanted to keep insulting people about it two weeks later. My take is the logically rational one however, and in a hundred years or so will be the commonly accepted viewpoint while the contrary will be seen as backwards, silly, and irrational. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14146 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 07 2016 10:08 Sermokala wrote: Wow GG templar is useing the "right side of history" argument for being pro racism. Thats pretty bold. Sorry, I'm not the one advocating racial discrimination here. I'm of the opinion you should be able to call people acting like trash 'vermin' or whatever metaphorical animal insult you want and it not have to be about race If you (or anyone) actually still wants to argue further about this just PM me because this really doesn't belong here Otherwise, stop flaming me as a racist like a pseudointellectual troll. I probably treat individuals more impartially than anyone here, regardless of their general background. | ||
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