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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 19 2018 18:03 GMT
#2001
I highly dispute gh's characterization, as well as tofu's highly inappropriate trolling. but i'm not going to get into it further at this time other than to note that.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-19 18:40:03
February 19 2018 18:37 GMT
#2002
On February 20 2018 03:03 zlefin wrote:
I highly dispute gh's characterization, as well as tofu's highly inappropriate trolling. but i'm not going to get into it further at this time other than to note that.

tofucake certainly wasn't trolling. Nor do I see anything particularly wrong with GH's "characterization" either.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9616 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-19 19:28:24
February 19 2018 19:07 GMT
#2003
fuck it i’ll just leave it alone until next time. feeling a little ‘he who is without sin’ vibe in the last few posts, so i’ll just go and put my rocks away.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19014 Posts
February 19 2018 21:00 GMT
#2004
On February 20 2018 03:03 zlefin wrote:
I highly dispute gh's characterization, as well as tofu's highly inappropriate trolling. but i'm not going to get into it further at this time other than to note that.

I generally don't troll. I'm just blunt and kind of an asshole.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 20:45:25
February 22 2018 20:30 GMT
#2005
On February 17 2018 22:15 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 03:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I got to ask, do people I argue with really have problems with my posts? Everytime I engage in debate I seem to always get some weird brush off about my "post history" or "other people already criticise you" or "you have been such a massive ass". Is it really that different in tone to everyone else? What is it in particular?

Please don't take it as a personal attack, I'm just trying to help.

I think it's because quite often you get yourself into arguments that look more or less like this:

1. Controversial view or action is mentioned
2. You respond by presenting that view or action in a caricatural way, either because you want to mock the poster or because you don't understand the position and for some reason pick the most evil interpretation of it possible (recently I'm leaning toward the latter, years ago I thought you just like to make fun of bardtown, but now I'm starting to think you genuinely don't understand people like him and those more radical)
3. The poster feels insulted by your post and replies with calling you a "massive ass"
4. You and the poster continue the fruitless exchange that turns into arguing about semantics / repeating your positions over and over / trading insults

In short, it looks like you have a tendency to demonize certain opinions. It's easy to remember because of point 4, but I think the root of the problem (if you consider it a problem) is in point 2 - you present the views of your opponents very wrongly (in their mind at least) and it's very annoying to them.

In your defense, it may look like this because you happen to get into those long exchanges with bad posters like sc-darkness whose posting is just indefensible. Yeah, you might be correct in pointing their wrongs out, but I don't get what you're trying to achieve by continuing to exchange posts with them once it's clear the discussion is going nowhere. It makes both of you look petty.


Thanks.

To be fair though, bardtown was a lot of fun. It was more enjoyable once mods caught on that British insults may sound cute and quaint, but you can't have a debate by constantly saying the equivalent of "fuck you" in British and he desperately tried to circumvent that till he blew up and called all muslims pedophiles as a passing card. Ironically, we shared more opinions than one ones we had disagreed. Unfortunately, what we disagreed on was leaving the EU.

In the end though, I don't see a problem mocking a poster's viewpoint. If they view that the showing the absurdity of their viewpoint is a personal insult then they should refrain from expressing their absurdity in the first place, and they certainly shouldn't try to escalate by insulting me personally. Or maybe... I'm just blunt and kind of an asshole.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13818 Posts
February 27 2018 08:32 GMT
#2006
On February 27 2018 06:29 Wulfey_LA wrote:
I can't wait for the cavalcade of frail gunowners showing their butthurt as highschoolers trigger them. Oh wait! It is already here! Every last righty is a crying weak victim through and through. Not a shred of integrity or maniless in the entire lot. Zero exceptions.

Show nested quote +


He is using his status as victim to inappropriately and ridiculously attack people while going unchallenged.

David Hogg is a bully.

He may be a survivor of the high school shooting in Parkland, FL, but he is using that position to avoid being challenged on his increasingly inane and hostile statements. He is using his position to bully others.

First, he slandered Dana Loesch on television without challenge. He accused her of a litany of terribles and a failure to support victims. He turns the NRA into murderers.

And now he's on television blaming the Governor of Florida for not stopping the shooter at the high school. Hogg will not blame the elected Sheriff. He will not blame the deputies who refused to go into the building. No, the real culprit is Rick Scott, the Governor, whose office is hundreds of miles away in Tallahassee. David Hogg wants Scott held accountable as the boss of the Sheriff and ignores that Sheriff Israel is elected.

David Hogg is a bully. He goes on television and knows he gets to use what happened to him as a shield to avoid criticism. The media allows him to attack all the targets the media would be attacking anyway. They do not question him or hold him accountable. It further emboldens him to attack others.

Again and again, his attacks are slanderous and without merit. He has a PR crafted Wikipedia page, he gets PR bookings on the news shows, and at some point someone should probably get the kid a grief counsellor instead of a TV gig. Regardless, what we are seeing is that no, high school kids are not people we should take seriously on any subject. If he cannot hold all the people who screwed up accountable because of his agenda and he accuses anyone who disagrees with him of hatred, he is not someone any of us should pay attention to.



https://www.themaven.net/theresurgent/erick-erickson/david-hogg-is-a-high-school-bully-mSI3k3Njd0OcUaS-35pFDQ

I mean I get that the thread has a lot of pointless cheerleading posts that are just rhetorical insults but at some point they have to fall in the "personal attack / insult" category.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 27 2018 12:07 GMT
#2007
It isn’t great. But neither are all the posts about leftist believing something or freaking out about something. Those don’t get actioned either.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
February 27 2018 12:17 GMT
#2008
Meh, the vitriol is targeted at the text he's quoting and I think it coheres well with the point of the post without indicting any poster. I'm a gun owner and I know he's not talking about me.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 27 2018 15:06 GMT
#2009
On February 27 2018 17:32 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 06:29 Wulfey_LA wrote:
I can't wait for the cavalcade of frail gunowners showing their butthurt as highschoolers trigger them. Oh wait! It is already here! Every last righty is a crying weak victim through and through. Not a shred of integrity or maniless in the entire lot. Zero exceptions.



He is using his status as victim to inappropriately and ridiculously attack people while going unchallenged.

David Hogg is a bully.

He may be a survivor of the high school shooting in Parkland, FL, but he is using that position to avoid being challenged on his increasingly inane and hostile statements. He is using his position to bully others.

First, he slandered Dana Loesch on television without challenge. He accused her of a litany of terribles and a failure to support victims. He turns the NRA into murderers.

And now he's on television blaming the Governor of Florida for not stopping the shooter at the high school. Hogg will not blame the elected Sheriff. He will not blame the deputies who refused to go into the building. No, the real culprit is Rick Scott, the Governor, whose office is hundreds of miles away in Tallahassee. David Hogg wants Scott held accountable as the boss of the Sheriff and ignores that Sheriff Israel is elected.

David Hogg is a bully. He goes on television and knows he gets to use what happened to him as a shield to avoid criticism. The media allows him to attack all the targets the media would be attacking anyway. They do not question him or hold him accountable. It further emboldens him to attack others.

Again and again, his attacks are slanderous and without merit. He has a PR crafted Wikipedia page, he gets PR bookings on the news shows, and at some point someone should probably get the kid a grief counsellor instead of a TV gig. Regardless, what we are seeing is that no, high school kids are not people we should take seriously on any subject. If he cannot hold all the people who screwed up accountable because of his agenda and he accuses anyone who disagrees with him of hatred, he is not someone any of us should pay attention to.



https://www.themaven.net/theresurgent/erick-erickson/david-hogg-is-a-high-school-bully-mSI3k3Njd0OcUaS-35pFDQ

I mean I get that the thread has a lot of pointless cheerleading posts that are just rhetorical insults but at some point they have to fall in the "personal attack / insult" category.

Every last righty is a crying weak victim through and through. Not a shred of integrity or maniless in the entire lot. Zero exceptions.

Clearly attacking arguments not people.

Mods, you here and reading? Comments? (Hypothetical "every last moderator is a crying weak victim through and through ... not a shred of integrity of manliness in the entire lot ... zero exceptions" - protest against moderation standard or attack on moderators?)
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
February 27 2018 15:18 GMT
#2010
It's funny when someone engages in purposeful hyperbole (admittedly at a volume louder than a dull roar) that indicts the sweeping language of folks seemingly unaware that implication can speak just as clearly as explication. Looks like Dangles needs to go back and read his own posts, to borrow a condescending trope of his.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 27 2018 17:05 GMT
#2011
On February 28 2018 00:18 farvacola wrote:
It's funny when someone engages in purposeful hyperbole (admittedly at a volume louder than a dull roar) that indicts the sweeping language of folks seemingly unaware that implication can speak just as clearly as explication. Looks like Dangles needs to go back and read his own posts, to borrow a condescending trope of his.

It really sounds like you’re wishing I ever said that every lefty was guilty of such and such. So, go back and read my posts if you really think you can hang me with my own words.

And you’re one small step away justifying as hominem bullshit as simple hyperbole. Of all posts to write excuses about rofl.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 27 2018 19:51 GMT
#2012
Perhaps you should try righting a post without "y'all on the left" to describe anybody who disagree with you, or even as an imaginary poster, if you want people to take you seriously.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 27 2018 20:38 GMT
#2013
On February 28 2018 04:51 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Perhaps you should try righting a post without "y'all on the left" to describe anybody who disagree with you, or even as an imaginary poster, if you want people to take you seriously.

You must have me confused with someone that uses y’all regularly. Am I supposed to take you seriously?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 20:54:17
February 27 2018 20:48 GMT
#2014
Dang it all, I must have confused you with someone else.

Hey, at least I am not so "confused" to quote someone, accuse them of changing their post, and continue to insist that post was unfairly editted post-quote, even when it was pointed out that the quote was exactly the same as the post. Because dang, clearly I have psionic powers to force you to right all over the place.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9616 Posts
February 27 2018 20:53 GMT
#2015
as someone who does use y’all regularly i find it a very odd point of contention.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 20:59:31
February 27 2018 20:57 GMT
#2016
The problem isn't y'all, the problem is "you all on the left" to describe imaginary people, or people who are so far on the right like plansix who believes people should be emigrate thousands of miles away from their family centre to another culture to find a job, as on the left. At some point the strawmanning and blith unawareness of their own hpocrisy should be pointed out. It is unlikely that danglars will ever see the point.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 27 2018 21:43 GMT
#2017
What the fuck did I do this time? Am I on the right now? Or am I a liberal again?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 27 2018 21:52 GMT
#2018
Far right calls me a race traitor, cuck, and secretly a lib. The left and far left calls me far right. I’m blessed by the stature of my enemies.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 27 2018 21:58 GMT
#2019
you could be all those things, though
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 28 2018 18:38 GMT
#2020
What's a cuck? Google leaves me...confused.
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