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GreenHorizons
United States24304 Posts
On February 18 2018 09:31 zlefin wrote: oh, and as always, i'm still looking for a forum that actually doesn't allow ignorant shitposting if anyone knows of one. What would you do with that? Observe it without posting? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 18 2018 09:44 GreenHorizons wrote: What would you do with that? Observe it without posting? that, plus some light posting. my poor posting mostly happens in response to others poor posting. it tends to be neither better nor worse than others. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24304 Posts
On February 18 2018 09:46 zlefin wrote: that, plus some light posting. my poor posting mostly happens in response to others poor posting. it tends to be neither better nor worse than others. Perhaps you should try leading by example. Be notably better than those you seem to want to critique so regularly instead of negligibly different. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 18 2018 09:51 GreenHorizons wrote: Perhaps you should try leading by example. Be notably better than those you seem to want to critique so regularly instead of negligibly different. I try; but I'm not good enough to do that. and I do act alot bnetter than them; i'm not starting the bad behavior, only reflecting it. and I advocatd for systemic changes which would fix the problem. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24304 Posts
On February 18 2018 10:02 zlefin wrote: I try; but I'm not good enough to do that. and I do act alot bnetter than them; i'm not starting the bad behavior, only reflecting it. That's really not much better, a basic principle usually taught to kids in grade school. EDIT: what systemic changes? I actually had a random idea that I thought might be fun (although not especially functional) | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 18 2018 10:05 GreenHorizons wrote: That's really not much better, a basic principle usually taught to kids in grade school. EDIT: what systemic changes? it's not much better perhaps, though I'd say it is. changes: stronger moderation, including several specific moderation proposals; the addition of an ignore feature. I mean, i'm really not sure hwo you could be unaware of me pushing for systemic changes to fix the issues. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24304 Posts
On February 18 2018 10:07 zlefin wrote: it's not much better perhaps, though I'd say it is. changes: stronger moderation, including several specific moderation proposals; the addition of an ignore feature. It's really not, maybe slightly, but certainly not "a lot". Those are pretty vague and an ignore feature is just a poor solution to improving behavior for what I think should be obvious reasons. On February 18 2018 10:08 LegalLord wrote: If someone posted badly, maybe just report them and move on? lol, that's cold. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 18 2018 10:10 GreenHorizons wrote: It's really not, maybe slightly, but certainly not "a lot". Those are pretty vague and an ignore feature is just a poor solution to improving behavior for what I think should be obvious reasons. solutions that work are better than no solution; and I've proved my point that I've done a lot more. why you have to such a jerk and start a fight? it's abundantly clear you interjected specifically to pick a fight and not to engage in anything constructive. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24304 Posts
On February 18 2018 10:13 zlefin wrote: solutions that work are better than no solution; and I proved my point. why you have to such a jerk and start a fight? You saying they work don't mean they work. You ever consider that an ignore feature would just make you altogether disappear in the US politics thread? That even if you improved your behavior there would be no one reading it to care? On February 18 2018 10:13 zlefin wrote: solutions that work are better than no solution; and I've proved my point that I've done a lot more. why you have to such a jerk and start a fight? it's abundantly clear you interjected specifically to pick a fight and not to engage in anything constructive. This is just it, whenever you get challenged and made to look a little foolish you lash out and attack the person pointing it out. It's like clockwork. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19252 Posts
On February 18 2018 10:08 LegalLord wrote: If someone posted badly, maybe just report them and move on? zlefin approached reporting as "this post wasn't made by me, and is thus wrong" he is no longer allowed to report posts | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 18 2018 11:09 tofucake wrote: zlefin approached reporting as "this post wasn't made by me, and is thus wrong" he is no longer allowed to report posts Huh. Well I’ll be danged. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
tofucake wrote Your bar for violation is a lot lower than everyone else's. zlefin wrote: yes, which is why the thread is far worse than it could be; because you refuse to clean up the violators  I prefer preventative measures to surgery. also i'd say even your bars should've been crossed by some of the stuff danglars did. but since you don't read the thread, you're highly unaware of the issues. one of the reasons I'd like if there were another mod in charge of the thread (if there are any available that are better, I don't know how deep the bench is for mod selection, but iirc very few are willing to handle the thread, so we take what's allowed) tofucake wrote: Your reports were actively harmful to moderation LL, I thought you would remember this runin about halfway from the start of this thread (page 55)? He was mad people like me weren't getting banned for disagreeing with him. A good portion of this thread is zlefin continuing to believe that he has the better insight on who is shitposting and what should be done. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24304 Posts
On February 18 2018 12:45 Danglars wrote: LL, I thought you would remember this runin about halfway from the start of this thread (page 55)? He was mad people like me weren't getting banned for disagreeing with him. A good portion of this thread is zlefin continuing to believe that he has the better insight on who is shitposting and what should be done. Tofu was just piling on. We should all be a little ashamed. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9985 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 17 2018 06:09 Danglars wrote: I’m hoping for something close to the Kwark takedown earlier in this thread. Don’t let me down xDaunt. I want to see some squirming. Sent covered it pretty well, so I'm not going to go into detail like I have previously with other posters. Plus, Dangermousecatdog deserves some credit for at least asking the question, even if it betrays a serious lack of self-awareness. As such, I'd rather the conversation stay constructive. However, there is one post of his that does deserve some attention: On July 13 2017 07:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote: This is actually quite accurate. Btw, I am too scared to reply to danglars and xdaunt alternate reality in case I get banned. Also, now we know why legalord been pushing his Clinton is unelectable rhetoric so hard at every opportunity. It turns out, the Russians really were colluding with the Trump campaign. And that changes everything. This is the first time that I remember seeing Dangermousecatdog post, and it perfectly encapsulates not only his general attitude towards the thread US Politics Thread so far, but precisely the wrong attitude to take into that thread. The whole point of the thread is to have an open dialogue with people who have opposing view points. If you're not up to making a serious effort to understand the opposing argument, then just stay out. I could cite to any number of subsequent posts that Dangermousecatdog has made that either a) show a very poor attempt (if any at all) to understand an opposing view point or b) simply constitute snarky shitposts. All this does is bog down the thread and create a bad atmosphere. There are plenty of other posters who are guilty of this as well. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
My version was simply to note the complete lack of reading comprehension, which does seem to be precisely the issue covered by Sent and xDaunt. A slightly modified, but also rarely encountered, variation on that theme was "I'm an engineer so [insert absurdly reductionist explanation of technology]." But I think the major issue has been covered as necessary. Why it is that dmcd seems to be among the only people singled out for actually being ostracized for this shitty behavior, I don't know. In truth it's very prominent and frankly about half of the regulars are little more than trolls that don't actually contribute to any discussion. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 20 2018 01:56 LegalLord wrote: Concise and correct, but hardly a takedown. I suppose it will have to do. My version was simply to note the complete lack of reading comprehension, which does seem to be precisely the issue covered by Sent and xDaunt. A slightly modified, but also rarely encountered, variation on that theme was "I'm an engineer so [insert absurdly reductionist explanation of technology]." But I think the major issue has been covered as necessary. Why it is that dmcd seems to be among the only people singled out for actually being ostracized for this shitty behavior, I don't know. In truth it's very prominent and frankly about half of the regulars are little more than trolls that don't actually contribute to any discussion. I don't think that dangermousecatdog is being singled out. He's just being mentioned with specificity here because he asked whether people have a problem with his posting. Keep in mind that the proper purpose of this thread is not to call out specific posters so much as it is to highlight specific problems with the thread that are systemic. For that reason, I generally don't complain about other posters even though there is no shortage of posters who deserve criticism to one degree or another. | ||
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