Open Liquid - Programming - Page 2

On December 27 2012 07:04 Depetrify wrote:
This would definitely be cool, but I just don't think it really fits here on TeamLiquid.. there are many other websites that offer this kind of stuff. :O

On December 27 2012 07:04 Depetrify wrote:
This would definitely be cool, but I just don't think it really fits here on TeamLiquid.. there are many other websites that offer this kind of stuff. :O

On December 27 2012 07:26 LunaSea wrote:


A lot of people brought up that posting tutorials would be probably a bad idea because you're essentially reinventing the wheel. But after you learned the basics, you still have the problem of contributing to projects, the need for practical experience, which isn't always easy to get, especially larger projects where the use of workflow tools come in use.

This is why I'm convinced that organizing a sub-community around programming could be a good idea. I mean in the end we are talking about TL a forum that is devoted to or at least initially create around video games (Starcraft : BW) and then the way from video games to computers and computers to programming isn't really far stretched.

I mean if you look at all the software and websites related to Starcraft or eSports that have been created for the last 10 years, it's mind boggling. It goes from simple websites to ingenious and complicated code bases like "Evolution Chambre" (that uses genetic algorithms) and "Open Broadcaster Project" which implements some difficult concepts like streaming video and encoding.

But then again, if you also look at the number of projects that aren't updated anymore it is equally incredible.
Of course this is the natural cycle for software, they eventually won't be used / maintained anymore, I just think it's sad that a lack of structured community causes developers to just abandon great ideas (and code bases).

On December 27 2012 07:59 tec27 wrote:
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I think if you're going to argue that this forum should exist, you should argue it from a standpoint of flattening the current Big Programming Thread and making it more navigable (similar to what was done for the LoL subforum). Tutorials would be applicable as well, but I'm not sure that TL is really the ideal distribution method for them. Anything outside of that in your proposal (project organization, project creation, and especially open sourcing TL's codebase) are simply fantasies that won't happen. I've been involved in a fair amount of development communities related to BW and other games, and they simply aren't, and won't ever be, very large. The amount of people who are competent developers, enjoy esports, and have enough free time and desire to work on an esports-related project is quite small. You've argued that the competent developer part isn't necessary with the right review structure in place, but do you really think someone wants to spend all their free time doing code reviews instead of just working on the project themselves?

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see a programming sub-forum as well, and I'm very active in the programming thread as it is. But I'm also very worried thread forum would end up filled with a lot of low-content, garbage threads. If you peruse through the programming thread as it is currently, the vast majority of the posts in it are simply asking for homework help. Those alone would not make a good forum, and I'm not so sure that a different set of people will magically sprout up if a new forum were created. You can already see a similar plight in the Tech Support forum, and I think TL should seek to limit the amount of those sorts of forums.

Also, I'd highly recommend you stop mentioning the 10 year figure, or trying to cite history within those 10 years. By the examples you've given, its clear you weren't actually around during those times, and its fairly offensive to those who were. There are certainly ingenious and complicated things that have been done by the SC community, but those things are not Evolution Chamber or OBS.

On December 27 2012 08:40 LunaSea wrote:

And like I said before, I don't think that magically flourishing gaming / eSports open-source project will pop-up everywhere.
I just think that the motivation and the opportunity needed to achieve something like this can only be created if you give it a chance.
Heyoka is completely right when he talks about the programming thread, but then again, it's a thread.
If I know some programming languages A, B and C but the current programming issue that is talked about on the thread is in another language than I can't do much about it. Of course this is not the only problem.
If you have a specialized sub-forum, so many things can be improved whereas if you have a thread, it's very limited.
For example copy / pasting code. Yes you have "<code >" BB tags that respects indentation, but code highlighting would be even cooler !

On December 27 2012 08:55 tec27 wrote:
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I think we should be looking for other solutions to this problem instead of jumping straight to making a sub-forum. So the first thing that jumps out at me from what you're saying here is that maybe there should be separate threads for different programming languages, or different areas of programming. Maybe the concerns of a web developer are different enough from that of an embedded systems developer (and there are enough of each here) that there should be a separate thread for each. That sounds like a decent point, and is something that doesn't require the creation of a separate forum.

As for syntax highlighting, I made a greasemonkey script a while back for embedding gists (in the same way that youtube embeds work here) that has been used essentially not at all AFAIK. Add to this fact that so many people post code outside of even code tags in the programming thread and I think you'll quickly realize that syntax highlighting isn't something TL has a particularly strong need for, and I doubt its worth the code complexity increase in order to implement it on the server.