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I really cheer for Attero and Inka to give them a re-feature on team liquid. First of all, Attero is mostly streaming early hours and thats one of the reasons his viewercount is kinda low. Since Attero is not a huge familair name in the scene, he is quite popular by fans who are still battling their way from platinium/diamond to masters and they learn a lot (incl ne) about builds, timings and counters. Also his countless hours of training are finally paying off now. Last weekend he ended up 2nd behind Kiwikaki at the WCG Canada.
Second player im cheering for to get re-featured is QxGInka, this is because he is streaming a lot lately and he said he will try to stream daily his games on the ladder. Inka's training is also finally paying off by reachting a 2nd place at the [$3000] TeSPA's TX StarCraft Showdown, def. coltrimaster and vilahawk, and lets not forget his impressive open bracket run at MLG Orlando., Last thing i want to mention is that the viewercount is not that bad. most of the time there are like 300 viewers watching.
I hope these arguments are enough to encourage attero and inka even more to improve.train and interact with fans even more.
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On November 02 2011 08:48 Adebisi wrote:
I really think there needs to be an option to sort by ladder ranking, obviously ladder isn't everything, but the people not featured suffer really badly being lumped in with a plethora of gold,etc players, no offence to lower league players, their streams are just not as interesting as the more talented players. Obviously this takes a bit of work to code something that will connect a stream to a BNet account, but its not that hard to do and IMO would help a lot ^_^.
Take the case of iNka, people are saying he should be featured, well, if you feature iNka there is like, probably 20-30 other streams around his quality, but if these guys just had the opportunity to be at the top of the non-featured list, and people knew that's how it sorted, they'd be much more likely to watch those streams. Even sublists of non-featured stream by league would be good IMO.
Yeah, some grandmasters are non-featured and we just don't know that they stream. It would be cool if TL could recognize their status of ''semi-pro or pro players'', even if they are not featured. At the moment, they are just ''one of many streams''.
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Feature Megumixbear again pleeeease. Sure she isn't a super pro winning every tourney but her stream is often educational and almost always super entertaining. Her interaction with the community is worth being featured alone imo. Not to mention how often she plays customs or 2v2s with notable pros.
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I will simply restate what I said in a different thread.
Having watched Protech play a lot, he is remarkably undervalued. He took down some heavy names in the recent 2v2 PTSL season 2, winning first place. He has also hit some well known names on ladders and taken them down with ease. I am also must curious as to why he was taken out of the featured list when he is one of the most frequent streamers there is, as this was one of the criteria you could meet to be put into featured.
I would also like to add this guy is top masters 1v1 (despite not playing 1v1 very often) and I wouldnt be suprised if he had the potential to get into GM if he put the time into it. As a mod and frequenter of his stream I may put the suggestion to him, but either way. He streams a hell of a lot. He is dam good at Starcraft 2. Deserves to be featured imho.
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On November 02 2011 08:51 Insane wrote:
I'm not sure where you got the idea that she's "top masters", but she's low to maybe mid master level.
Also "would highly increase her popularity" isn't the point of featuring people.
Hosting tournaments is somewhat irrelevant - one of the points of the TL restructure was that people hosting events (especially team accounts) don't need to be featured in order to promote their events, as it can be tied to the event in the calendar.
Okay, so maybe she's mid masters (probably Rank 40ish?) but being Rank 40 in the Top 2% of all players in North America and South America is still pretty noteworthy.
And making her or her tournaments more popular wasn't my point! xD
For the reasons that I posted - her achievements and contributions to the SCII/E-Sports community I think she should be refeatured. TL states that they are looking for "popular and skilled players" of which I think Megumixbear is both! 
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iNkA and Attero should be featured streams\. Attero has been streaming for a very long time and has a lot of fans who follows his progress. Considering his recent post about road to rank 1 season 4 I feel it would hurt a bit not having a featured stream especially with the way he seeks to improve himself. iNkA's stream typically has a very active chat, the stream is commentated analytically and comically at times rather than just being music and gameplay, additionally he's a part of quantic and streams practice games with his teammates.
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feature inka again please, he is usually pretty analytic about his games and regardless of that hes one of the best NA protosses. he has a very unique style and i thought a ton of people watched him.. not really sure why he was un-featured.
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Please feature Inka on the stream list again. He just got 2nd place in the TeSPA lan tourney, and he is a very talented protoss player with incredible micro/multitasking.
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feature ikna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PLEASE get attero on the featured list again. I find it ridiculous that he isn't even up there. He streams frequently and contributes so much to the community
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So I noticed today that Attero is no longer featured  I think he should be featured because he does get more viewers than a lot of the other streamers. Also Attero, in my opinion is a very skilled player and does a good job explaining why he does what he does in game. One final reason why Attero should be featured again, he is one of the few Protosses that still streams other than the big name pros. Protoss to me seems under represented lately and it would be a travesty to lose another Toss who is actually pretty good at the game
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I thought this was just a thread to discuss the overall Featured Streamers policy that was just implemented. However, there was a post from a blue-accented poster that basically championed the idea saying that fans should speak up to protect the streams they enjoy. If that's what this thread is for, then I need to add a voice for Attero. I've watched that guy since beta. He's got an amazing personality, great interactions with his fans, and he's still producing decent results on the scene.
I'd say featured to me means that anyone looking for a stream will find value in that stream. Attero fits that bill. He provides all the types of interactions, bells, whistles, and personality that any other great streamer does. I think it's unfortunate he did not make the cut.
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Drewbie and Trimaster have both been sub-200 viewers most of the day
Neither of them are accomplished, Trimaster's only claim to fame is beating IdrA in an MLG.
Is "being on a major team" a hidden criteria to being featured on TL?
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On November 02 2011 09:03 PaladinOfLight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:51 Insane wrote:
I'm not sure where you got the idea that she's "top masters", but she's low to maybe mid master level.
Also "would highly increase her popularity" isn't the point of featuring people.
Hosting tournaments is somewhat irrelevant - one of the points of the TL restructure was that people hosting events (especially team accounts) don't need to be featured in order to promote their events, as it can be tied to the event in the calendar. Okay, so maybe she's mid masters (probably Rank 40ish?) but being Rank 40 in the Top 2% of all players in North America and South America is still pretty noteworthy. And making her or her tournaments more popular wasn't my point! xD For the reasons that I posted - her achievements and contributions to the SCII/E-Sports community I think she should be refeatured. TL states that they are looking for "popular and skilled players" of which I think Megumixbear is both!
I'm not sure what achievements she has that would justify it? Achievements are like "winning tournament X" or "getting 4th in IEM" or the like. The only thing remotely like an achievement that I saw in your post was being an interviewer for IPL which, while I suppose it's interesting, is not really an "achievement". The fact that she has players like Destiny, Ret, etc. sometimes playing with her on her stream is somewhat irrelevant since you can just watch their stream firsthand if that's what makes it notable.
Saying she's rank 40 in the top 2% gives a somewhat misleading picture of the picture. In fact, she may be rank 40 in a single division which consists of people within the top 2% of players. That's actually an order of magnitude lower than being rank 40 of the top 2% players though, it would be more like rank 5000 in the top 2% or something (that's just a wild guess).
I think you have a very different interpretation of "skilled" than what TL is looking for. Even someone who's high master or low GM is not "skilled" from the perspective of qualifying as featured. There are multiple GM (even high GM) players who have been de-featured. There are high GM players who even interact and talk with their audience and give top level advice and they are not not featured.
Basically, there are so many high quality streams that the bar to be featured is very difficult these days. Streaming is not a reward for people for things they do (for example, hosting tournaments), it's a way to publicize streams that are the 'best' to watch for the most people. I don't personally feel she belongs to that category.
P.S.
I feel that even mid-masters is stretching it judging by her rank last season.
On November 02 2011 09:24 garbodor wrote:
Drewbie and Trimaster have both been sub-200 viewers most of the day
Neither of them are accomplished, Trimaster's only claim to fame is beating IdrA in an MLG.
Is "being on a major team" a hidden criteria to being featured on TL?
I'm sure being on a major team is not in fact a hidden criteria, but one of the factors taken into consideration. Joining a major team is actually a form of accomplishment, albeit lesser than winning an event. TL does try out streams some too they mentioned, and if they don't sufficiently catch on will remove them.
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On November 02 2011 08:41 Insane wrote:
I like 2v2, and have played quite a lot of it. That said, Protech, with his rampant bm, cheat accusations, bans, and caustic manner, is a bad representation of the 2v2 community.
For people who enjoy his stream, they can still watch it, but I'm glad to see TL not endorsing such behavior.
It sounds like you have a personal issue with the way Protech conducts himself. If you dont like what he says and how he plays, then YOU should not watch his stream. Trying to use those things as arguments for him remaining un-featured is farcical at best. TL supports a lot of streamers with less than conventional behaviour (of which Destiny is a glaring example), and that's not at all to say Protech's behaviour is even particularly, as you say, caustic. If you think that one of the best 2v2 players calling out known cheaters while providing his viewers commentary on LEGITIMATE, SELF DEVELOPED, 2v2 strategies and gameplay is a bad representation of the 2v2 community, then you are a bad representation of the SC2 community.
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On November 02 2011 08:51 FaytRose89 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:48 Adebisi wrote:
I really think there needs to be an option to sort by ladder ranking, obviously ladder isn't everything, but the people not featured suffer really badly being lumped in with a plethora of gold,etc players, no offence to lower league players, their streams are just not as interesting as the more talented players. Obviously this takes a bit of work to code something that will connect a stream to a BNet account, but its not that hard to do and IMO would help a lot ^_^.
Take the case of iNka, people are saying he should be featured, well, if you feature iNka there is like, probably 20-30 other streams around his quality, but if these guys just had the opportunity to be at the top of the non-featured list, and people knew that's how it sorted, they'd be much more likely to watch those streams. Even sublists of non-featured stream by league would be good IMO. Really? because I'm looking at the so called "featured list" as we speak and so far trimaster is at 220 drewbie is at 168 hirosue2 is at 28 viewers. This is a joke.
I think those two streams are probably ones that didn't get cut narrowly. IMO results > popularity, and TriMaster is one of the top finishing "upcoming" pros at recent MLGs, and Drewbie was just in Korea training, if they don't get more viewers typically by the end of the month I'm sure they will be cut.
Hirosue2 is a BW stream, and while they will obviously get less viewers, I think most people will agree a couple BW streams should be featured because BW is really the reason we're all here.
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On November 02 2011 09:25 Peas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:41 Insane wrote:
I like 2v2, and have played quite a lot of it. That said, Protech, with his rampant bm, cheat accusations, bans, and caustic manner, is a bad representation of the 2v2 community.
For people who enjoy his stream, they can still watch it, but I'm glad to see TL not endorsing such behavior. It sounds like you have a personal issue with the way Protech conducts himself. If you dont like what he says and how he plays, then YOU should not watch his stream. Trying to use those things as arguments for him remaining un-featured is farcical at best. TL supports a lot of streamers with less than conventional behaviour (of which Destiny is a glaring example), and that's not at all to say Protech's behaviour is even particularly, as you say, caustic. If you think that one of the best 2v2 players calling out known cheaters while providing his viewers commentary on LEGITIMATE, SELF DEVELOPED, 2v2 strategies and gameplay is a bad representation of the 2v2 community, then you are a bad representation of the SC2 community.
Obviously I have a personal issue with the way Protech conducts himself. I don't feel TL should be representing that as a stream they are promoting (which is essentially what a "featured stream" is). I have no real intention of watching Protech, and I can turn around the comment on you: if you do want to watch his stream, you can easily do that when he's not featured. How many other streamers with "less than conventional" behavior than Destiny does TL feature? Destiny is wildly popular (perhaps #2 in popularity after Idra for stream viewership? I'm not 100% going to say that, but I think that's about right), and that's why he's streamed. [Also, you may have missed the post where Destiny announced it, but he's on the whole much more reserved on stream than he used to be]
Protech calls people like Optikzero and Select cheaters. Are you actually saying they are known cheaters? I've never heard of them that way.
If you read the topic about it, there are a lot of high level 2v2ers who feel similarly that Protech is a poor representation of the 2v2 community.
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InKa definitely needs to be re-featured. While I may not have posts, what I can say is that InKa tries to go for the non-original route when he's playing, generally making him more fun to watch because you can't predict games easily. I've been watching every stream he has archived since January, and though he took a three week break, he certainly didn't lose viewers due to his stream being boring. It's a fresh take on protoss, and a welcome change for me at least.
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On November 02 2011 09:30 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:51 FaytRose89 wrote:On November 02 2011 08:48 Adebisi wrote:
I really think there needs to be an option to sort by ladder ranking, obviously ladder isn't everything, but the people not featured suffer really badly being lumped in with a plethora of gold,etc players, no offence to lower league players, their streams are just not as interesting as the more talented players. Obviously this takes a bit of work to code something that will connect a stream to a BNet account, but its not that hard to do and IMO would help a lot ^_^.
Take the case of iNka, people are saying he should be featured, well, if you feature iNka there is like, probably 20-30 other streams around his quality, but if these guys just had the opportunity to be at the top of the non-featured list, and people knew that's how it sorted, they'd be much more likely to watch those streams. Even sublists of non-featured stream by league would be good IMO. Really? because I'm looking at the so called "featured list" as we speak and so far trimaster is at 220 drewbie is at 168 hirosue2 is at 28 viewers. This is a joke. I think those two streams are probably ones that didn't get cut narrowly. IMO results > popularity, and TriMaster is one of the top finishing "upcoming" pros at recent MLGs, and Drewbie was just in Korea training, if they don't get more viewers typically by the end of the month I'm sure they will be cut. Hirosue2 is a BW stream, and while they will obviously get less viewers, I think most people will agree a couple BW streams should be featured because BW is really the reason we're all here.
Would you really call Trimaster an up-and-comer, though?
At Raleigh people were only talking about him because he made Idra rage--he went on to get 5th in his group in pool play, and in orlando he lost in like r4 of the open bracket.
not really noteworthy performance in either tournament
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Bring back Attero! Or let us customize who shows up in the list. He was one of my favorite players to watch. His stream didn't lag and he had great commentary. I learned a lot from watching him.
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