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th0rzh4mm3r
Profile Joined November 2011
2 Posts
November 02 2011 02:15 GMT
#241
megumixbear should Really be re-featured. She puts a TON of EffOrt Into her stream, waking up to stream at 6 AM for her EU viewers then goes to work and again streams at night for a few hours. She hosts 4 self funded and self casted tournaments (sometimes we get the pleasure of having other PrO players such as EGStrifecro, Day9 to name a few Cast along Side with her) She's Always polite and interacts heavily with her viewers. She Always has great info on the game when she coaches, ladders, or custom 1v1's with friends for practice. Her high level MaSter's play iS FanTastic and she was at IPL3 doing interviews with all the players on Live stream. She loves playing SC2 and puts alot Into so why not share the Love and get her featured again on TL =)
xiver
Profile Joined August 2010
Serbia18 Posts
November 02 2011 02:19 GMT
#242
On November 02 2011 10:38 Daiki wrote:
There's a bad ratio between good and bad feedback in the protech's stream thread. I heard that he randomly accused people of stream cheating. If he is de-featured, he won't be able to blame anyone except for himself or his allies.


Best and prolly the only 2v2 stream out there worth watching... Things you heard?! He said, she said... that's not good argument even in preschool... so please, rather, tune in, and learn something!
2v2AiSieesch
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany98 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 02:24:40
November 02 2011 02:20 GMT
#243
I want to make a Post about the step of defeaturing several people:

named:
Protech
Delphi
Snute
Optikzero

All the named players are skilled and 2v2 Players. Where Snute and Delphi Optikzero beeing 1v1 GMs as well as Protech only focusses on 2v2. I dont know about the individual reasons but i think there are many ppl out there which are interested in 2v2 even if its way less than 1v1. So it is hard to gain big viewernumbers in 2v2.
There arent to many big 2v2 tournements out there so its also hard to make yourself a name that way.

So NO 2v2 Stream at all is featured anymore... You may could add a 2v2 section to the featured thing which ppl can than filter in or out.
So you could help to even grow the 2v2 scene instead of killing the attention payed to it.

regards AiSieesch
drop271
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand286 Posts
November 02 2011 02:29 GMT
#244
This may be out of the bounds of this thread, and may not be appropriate given that you have only just restructured these parts of the site - but in future would it be possible for users to customise their list of featured streamers to reflect their preferences?
Darth Caedus
Profile Joined May 2011
United States326 Posts
November 02 2011 02:34 GMT
#245
I for one would greatly like to see Vibe and ProTech featured again.

Aside from Idra and Sheth, isn't Vibe the 3rd most accomplished NA Zerg? He has some mad skills and whenever he commentates his stream I always learn something that teaches me how to react to what I see much faster than I would learn through grinding on my own.

And ProTech has to be the best 2v2 stream on TL. If he isn't going to get a feature for high level 2v2 play what do you have to do to get one?
Polt: "Those auto-turrets are cute." 10/26/13 commenting on MMA vs. Maru.
drop271
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand286 Posts
November 02 2011 02:40 GMT
#246
On November 02 2011 11:34 Darth Caedus wrote:
Aside from Idra and Sheth, isn't Vibe the 3rd most accomplished NA Zerg? He has some mad skills and whenever he commentates his stream I always learn something that teaches me how to react to what I see much faster than I would learn through grinding on my own.


(Z)SLush is probably the next best. His MLG results are consistantly strong
TheTrueAmerican
Profile Joined April 2011
United States132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 02:46:57
November 02 2011 02:44 GMT
#247
while there is a lot out outrage against this. Im for it. It gives more players the opportunity to get featured and frankly the list before was getting boring.

i feel now at least that featured players will feel its a privilege and not a right like they have been treating it. If you cant draw viewers or havent won anything significant then you shouldnt be featured. players who have between 50-250 viewers should be removed from featured and give other people a shot because obviously your viewership isnt going up if youve been given enough time to improve your stream and still draw low numbers.

But like i said being featured is a privilege not a right and i think a lot of players think just because they are GM or on a good team they should get featured right away when thats just not the case.
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
November 02 2011 04:10 GMT
#248
On November 02 2011 11:44 TheTrueAmerican wrote:
while there is a lot out outrage against this. Im for it. It gives more players the opportunity to get featured and frankly the list before was getting boring.

i feel now at least that featured players will feel its a privilege and not a right like they have been treating it. If you cant draw viewers or havent won anything significant then you shouldnt be featured. players who have between 50-250 viewers should be removed from featured and give other people a shot because obviously your viewership isnt going up if youve been given enough time to improve your stream and still draw low numbers.

But like i said being featured is a privilege not a right and i think a lot of players think just because they are GM or on a good team they should get featured right away when thats just not the case.



I disagree, how can the list be boring? Everyone who was featured before was a great player.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 04:14:07
November 02 2011 04:12 GMT
#249
You Guys really shouldn't remove Protech from the Featured Streams; not good for the 2v2 Scene.
It's really nice to have Diversity in the Choice... i don't want to just watch 1v1's
Its nice to watch 2v2's once in a while!

Also why De-Feature Titan107? He Beat WhiteRa 2-1 in MLG.... i don't get it.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Darth Caedus
Profile Joined May 2011
United States326 Posts
November 02 2011 04:31 GMT
#250
On November 02 2011 11:40 drop271 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 11:34 Darth Caedus wrote:
Aside from Idra and Sheth, isn't Vibe the 3rd most accomplished NA Zerg? He has some mad skills and whenever he commentates his stream I always learn something that teaches me how to react to what I see much faster than I would learn through grinding on my own.


(Z)SLush is probably the next best. His MLG results are consistantly strong


Slush got into pool play before Vibe really hit the scene, and it is well agreed that staying in pools and performing well in general at an MLG is much easier from the pools than going through the open bracket.

Vibe also has been in NASL and done respectably there and I believe he participates in more online cups than Slush.
Polt: "Those auto-turrets are cute." 10/26/13 commenting on MMA vs. Maru.
agtemd
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada362 Posts
November 02 2011 05:00 GMT
#251
I'd love for Titan and Megumi to be featured.

Megumi puts so much effort into her stream, I follow her on TwitchTV and my ipod gets notifications when streams are online and I swear everyday I get home I just see on my ipod that she's streaming as soon as I get in range of my WiFi connection. She runs 4 tourneys a month 2 of which are for EU players and despite poor showings for her past EU tourneys she still does them regardless. Her work at IPL3 was great too. If not as a player please re-feature her under the [Others] section as a personality.

I'm not sure why ViBE was defeatured either, he was one of the players on sixjax who actually posted respectable results and had more showings/exposure to me.
Peas
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada102 Posts
November 02 2011 05:08 GMT
#252
Sigh! Protech snuffed again.

At least iNkA was refeatured
ddrnold
Profile Joined November 2011
United States2 Posts
November 02 2011 05:14 GMT
#253
Bring Megumix back, don't know why she was defeatured anyways.
PR4Y
Profile Joined November 2010
United States260 Posts
November 02 2011 05:27 GMT
#254
Protech was one of the most interesting streams for me. I usually always watched like Destiny / Sheth / Stephano... but every once in a while it was so refreshing to tune in to Protech for 20-30 minutes. The guy is honestly the best 2v2 player in the world, and he shows quite a bit of personality on his stream too.

If anything, refeature him under "Other" to give people the opportunity to filter out non-competitive 1v1 related content. I only read the first page of this thread and for a stream to be defeatured on grounds of viewership, why was protech removed? His stream has consistent 100+ with peaks of like 300-400 viewers at ANY given time. However, unlike other players who were unfeatured, he has STILL REMAINED at this level of viewership even though he isn't featured. Doesn't this show that there are people out there interested in something other then 1v1 once in a while?

Please, refeature him under "Other" at least... it's such a pain in the ass to have to look through the list of 100+ streams at any given time to find the one you are looking for.
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Peas
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada102 Posts
November 02 2011 05:43 GMT
#255
I cant help but to assume there are some politics involved. KawaiiRice is sitting on 87 viewers right now, while ProTech is at 100 in the unfeatured section. KawaiiRice is part of a major team, but apart from that very tenuous reason he does not deserve his featured status over ProTech in any way.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 06:15:38
November 02 2011 06:09 GMT
#256
Why is inKa refeatured? I understand the reasons are confidential, but you have someone with significantly less achievements [in comparison] (was previously with EG, then went to Lz and then QxG where he achieved the same as he did back with EG), same number of viewers (220 I believe is the number he achieves, by all means correct me) and about the same level of notoriety but he gets (re)featured?

Is it because he asked his Twitter followers to spam the boards begging him to be refeatured (good for them, really loyal!)? I don't understand now and I'm really confused. We have three Montreal Protoss players: one who doesn't really talk to us (kiwikaki), TT1 who's now teamless and equally as uncommunicative and the underdog who practices and beats both consistently: Attero. One's teamless, one's going to WCG Korea and one is retiring considering he can no longer make a living off his passion (which he was doing marginally before).

I'm not angry, just heavily disappointed and discouraged. He offered all the key points except he didn't draw in the traffic TL is looking for (which is coincidentally the same numbers some other featured people have been drawing in all day today [not necessarily a fair comparison, but it's to set a point]).

Ugh. No, he's not on a majorly famed team (unless you consider CS: S a very important game, in which case, he's on the arguably best CS: S team around). He draws at least above 150 and he offers everything that grows a community: coaching, interaction, uploads replays of all his games against professionals he consistently beats (and not one time or another, he's beaten idra more than 3 times, we're talking without fail or problem, he's beaten him on all sorts of maps via ladder).

I know I sound like a broken record and the idea of "if we do it for him, we'll have to do it with everyone else" is probably a high likelihood, but I urge you to reconsider or at least, as someone suggested, give a probationary 2 weeks.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
iNkA
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States206 Posts
November 02 2011 06:19 GMT
#257
On November 02 2011 15:09 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why is inKa refeatured? I understand the reasons are confidential, but you have someone with significantly less achievements [in comparison] (was previously with EG, then went to Lz and then QxG where he achieved the same as he did back with EG), same number of viewers (220 I believe is the number he achieves, by all means correct me) and about the same level of notoriety but he gets (re)featured?

Is it because he asked his Twitter followers to spam the boards begging him to be refeatured (good for them, really loyal!)? I don't understand now and I'm really confused. We have three Montreal Protoss players: one who doesn't really talk to us (kiwikaki), TT1 who's now teamless and equally as uncommunicative and the underdog who practices and beats both consistently: Attero. One's teamless, one's going to WCG Korea and one is retiring considering he can no longer make a living off his passion (which he was doing marginally before).

I'm not angry, just heavily disappointed and discouraged. He offered all the key points except he didn't draw in the traffic TL is looking for (which is coincidentally the same numbers some other featured people have been drawing in all day today [not necessarily a fair comparison, but it's to set a point]).

Ugh. No, he's not on a majorly famed team (unless you consider CS: S a very important game, in which case, he's on the arguably best CS: S team around). He draws at least above 150 and he offers everything that grows a community: coaching, interaction, uploads replays of all his games against professionals he consistently beats (and not one time or another, he's beaten idra more than 3 times, we're talking without fail or problem, he's beaten him on all sorts of maps via ladder).

I know I sound like a broken record and the idea of "if we do it for him, we'll have to do it with everyone else" is probably a high likelihood, but I urge you to reconsider or at least, as someone suggested, give a probationary 2 weeks.

you're wrong on so many accounts in which i don't have time to get into atm. the data of my viewership they originally received was incorrect. i meet the criteria.
Peas
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada102 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 06:30:36
November 02 2011 06:21 GMT
#258
This is what I wrote in the main thread

On November 02 2011 13:37 Peas wrote:
I beseech you representatives and administrators of Team Liquid to explain why this change to featured (and thus un-featured) streams was necessary. I suppose there is something to say for streamlining (pun intended), but its not like the list of featured streams was becoming unmanageably long. It seems to me that there is a not so insignificant number of streamers who stand to lose a lot a viewers (and thus a lot of revenue). This appears particularly sucky to me, irrespective of whether or not their streams meet your seemingly inconsistent and arbitrary metric.


Whats also ludicrous is Gordon Hayward maintaining featured status. Its a super slow night for streaming and he's barely cracking 250 viewers. Moreover, he in no way relies on streaming to generate revenue towards his livelihood.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 02 2011 06:22 GMT
#259
I might be wrong and I'm fine with that and I'm sorry. The stance still matters the same though, I feel.
It's just a reiteration in the end, I'm not really expecting to change minds. Just wanted to rant and still feel that if you got refeatured, Attero deserves the same chance, at least.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
iNkA
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States206 Posts
November 02 2011 06:23 GMT
#260
I don't understand that when you want to argue arterro being re-featured you just hate on me. I don't get it at all. I know and like attero as well. i hope he gets re-featured, but i'm not going to go out and hate on someone else because he isn't
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