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I played an opponent in a high level game today, he played extremely suspiciously. Server: Europe Your Name: BEVRzrBlader Hacker Name: mjwShyK Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6779 Description: He is clearly map-hacking to have vision. Firstly he does a fairly risky build, 1rax (fe) without scouting at all. He does not make any turrets, or scan at all. He does a very good counter to my build. He never gets any of the xel-nagas at this point. He is frequently looking at my base through the fog and my army just out side, again through the fog. He responds well to every banshee and drop I do, as soon as i get ready to land a CC, he stims marines to snipe it. He has no vision of the map at all until 17minutes in. Where without seeing an expo there, he sets tanks up and stims marines at one at one of my expansions. Throughout the game, he does many other suspicious things such as perfectly timed scans in tank wars (when i leap my tanks foward as I have a superior Viking count).
Thank you
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Suspicious...
Server: North America Your Name: Hummingbird.656 Hacker Name: iCarly Replay(s): http://drop.sc/16076 http://drop.sc/16077 http://drop.sc/16078 Description: Game 1, somehow finds my only proxy, on a map where you usually wouldn't scout there? Still dies to DTs however... (shows a mismatch between starsense and gamesense?) Game 2, finds proxy again, while scouting no other proxy locations. Senses contain and rushes medivacs without seeing it (?) idk. Other actions were suspicious. Game 3, scouts cross instead of close air first. Drops bunker as soon as I get second rax, recycles as soon as my natural CC goes down. Other stuff too...
I'm sure there's many stuff I missed, but take a look at the three replays because it felt highly suspicious. Also, note that I'm a random player, and his sim citying vs randoms without scouting...
*Please ignore the BM traded btw, he was trolling me in a chat channel forever so I told him a BO5 to settle it haha.
Thanks!
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I really don't look at anything in the chat log or events outside of replays unless it has pertinent information on the report. I'll look over these two new reports and the older ones soon, I'm taking a personal afternoon to ladder
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What exactly is the purpose of the thread? Do we send these results to blizzard and they get banned? It isn`t like I will remember any of these guys names if i hit them on ladder. Anybody able to explain please.
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Yes, the purpose of this thread is to send the results to Blizzard.
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Server: NA Your Name: holyvenom Hacker Name: toolegit Replay: http://drop.sc/16085 Description: First off, I haven't played a 1v1 in ages, and I barely have played 2v2 recently, so that's why I played so terribly in this game. I figured I was so close to victory I just kept plugging away. Anyway, I became suspicious after the match when I was thinking about it - around 6 minutes in I decide to send in one quick non-cloaked banshee to maybe do some damage and force some spores. I scan just before going in and he has 5 spores making. In his vision he's looking through the FOW and hasn't seen anything in my base yet other than my CC - he looks into my base and sees the Starport finishing with the Tech Lab and immediately builds an Evo. There are plenty of other moments when he's looking through the FOW (like at 25 mins), but there's nothing really obvious until about 29 minutes, where I send in a massive drop and he sends a bunch of lings back to his base once I move out. Finally, at the end, I move my main CC down to the expo defended by 2 pairs of rocks and he looks there through the FOW and immediately sends his lings to break down the rocks.
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Server: NA My Name: FreshShock Hacker: Raine Replay: http://drop.sc/16121 1v1 PvZ on Tal'darim Altar if you look at his POV he checks my base at 0:05 and checks my forge and pylon area at 2:20 both of them blindly. He doesn't even bother looking at other side of the screen nor even attempts to scout other area. He blindly rushes me.
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On June 25 2011 13:45 nullmind wrote:Server: NA My Name: FreshShock Hacker: Raine Replay: http://drop.sc/161211v1 PvZ on Tal'darim Altar if you look at his POV he checks my base at 0:05 and checks my forge and pylon area at 2:20 both of them blindly. He doesn't even bother looking at other side of the screen nor even attempts to scout other area. He blindly rushes me.
1. i cant believe youre this terrible.
2. im only responding to you because there's a slight chance this could hurt me in some way.
3. you scouted me last, you were either to the right or above. I guessed right.
4. i 11 pool to stop forge expands, its the SOLE PURPOSE of the build. so obviously im going to rally to where the forge expand would be.
5. are we done here, I can play you while I'm streaming if you really want, you'll notice that i do the same exact thing!
edit: actually, normally I rally my ovie to the watch tower so i can see where the probe comes from and to avoid guessing.
edit2: I also want to make it clear that this guy just assumed that he lost via hack instead of skill/luck/timings (whatever you want to call it) and he didn't even ask me for my logic on why I did what I did. He just nailed me with a "i reported you to blizzard and teamliquid."
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On June 25 2011 13:55 Let it Raine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 13:45 nullmind wrote:Server: NA My Name: FreshShock Hacker: Raine Replay: http://drop.sc/161211v1 PvZ on Tal'darim Altar if you look at his POV he checks my base at 0:05 and checks my forge and pylon area at 2:20 both of them blindly. He doesn't even bother looking at other side of the screen nor even attempts to scout other area. He blindly rushes me. 1. i cant believe youre this terrible. 2. im only responding to you because there's a slight chance this could hurt me in some way. 3. you scouted me last, you were either to the right or above. I guessed right. 4. i 11 pool to stop forge expands, its the SOLE PURPOSE of the build. so obviously im going to rally to where the forge expand would be. 5. are we done here, I can play you while I'm streaming if you really want, you'll notice that i do the same exact thing! edit: actually, normally I rally my ovie to the watch tower so i can see where the probe comes from and to avoid guessing.
How do you explain you click on my base at the start of the game and not other main bases? You were going to gamble and chose bottom spot? And you blindly looked at my ramp at 2:20 while my forge was building, was that a blind guess also? Oh and when I was making pylon at bottom of your expansion there's actually a click mark that you moved your overlord towards that position.Good job on the insult while you don't even give explanations.
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I answered everything you said. Now you've said more. I'm going to go watch the replay on normal speed to see everything this time and then I'll edit this post.
The cannon thing is very common and I often send my 4th set of lings to check it. That idea never had a chance.
"How do you explain you click on my base at the start of the game and not other main bases? You were going to gamble and chose bottom spot? And you blindly looked at my ramp at 2:20 while my forge was building, was that a blind guess also? Oh and when I was making pylon at bottom of your expansion there's actually a click mark that you moved your overlord towards that position.Good job on the insult while you don't even give explanations."
1. I sent my overlord to the right as if I was in zvz mode, you'll notice that every single zerg in a zvz will send their overlords horizontal to start with. In zvp on this map I normally would send my overlord to the watch tower first to see where your probe comes from. Because I messed up, my "click" in your base was me moving my ovie to your base. I really don't understand how you find this suspicious at all. This is common from every single zerg. (literally just telling my ovie where to go)
2. I don't click any other bases because I didn't have an overlord going to any other bases. First overlord to watch tower, 2nd ovie to natural. What do you mean gamble btw... there's only TWO spots you could be. I could have sent my ovie up or to the right. I did it to the right, as almost everyone else defaults to as well.
3. I see your probe coming late from that direction, 1/2 of the people who forge expand try to cannon rush in some way shape or form (random number) and my ovie couldn't see it if you started cannons there. So I move my overlord to cover the cliff. This is the only thing i'll give you. This actually looks fishy, but in reality it's just the fact that I've been cheesed so much that I take the precautions required to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I have played this exact game vs so many people. Forge expand into cannons on low ground, but no one has ever cancelled both pylons by accident.
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I have a certain unexplained love for this thread, and can't work on my bonus pool atm, so thought I would amuse myself looking over replays for once instead of just lurking.
On June 25 2011 04:34 BEVRazerBlader wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I played an opponent in a high level game today, he played extremely suspiciously. Server: Europe Your Name: BEVRzrBlader Hacker Name: mjwShyK Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6779Description: He is clearly map-hacking to have vision. Firstly he does a fairly risky build, 1rax (fe) without scouting at all. He does not make any turrets, or scan at all. He does a very good counter to my build. He never gets any of the xel-nagas at this point. He is frequently looking at my base through the fog and my army just out side, again through the fog. He responds well to every banshee and drop I do, as soon as i get ready to land a CC, he stims marines to snipe it. He has no vision of the map at all until 17minutes in. Where without seeing an expo there, he sets tanks up and stims marines at one at one of my expansions. Throughout the game, he does many other suspicious things such as perfectly timed scans in tank wars (when i leap my tanks foward as I have a superior Viking count). Thank you
Watched from mjwShyK's perspective and made notes:
+ Show Spoiler +0:22 - Looks through fow for a moment at your base. Weird, but not a very long look. 2:25 - Another quick look through fow, this time at the barracks building. 2:50 - Strange he looks very quickly right at the top of his ramp as the scv comes up it. Again maybe just suspicious. 5:19 - Takes a peek at what you are building at the top of your ramp. 5:23 - Looks at your factory/starport. 6:18 - Looks at the ramp in your natural, where one marine is coming out to scout. 6:50 - Takes a look at the push coming across the middle of the map. 8:20 - Has a look through your whole base again. 8:32 - Another look at the natural, where he sees vikings and immediately throws up some missile turrets. 9:10 - Scans your army perfectly as it moves across the middle of the map. No reason in the world to scan there without knowing units were there. 9:34 - Moves his marines down to the bottom of his natural, away from the ramp, to intercept your army. 13:00 - As soon as your army pulling back, he unsieges to reposition his tanks, transfers his svcs back, and sends one to build a third, without ever actually seeing your army leave. 13:19 - Checks the ramp of your natural. 13:47 - Checks your army moving across the middle of the map. 14:00 - Checks army again through fow. 14:14 - Checks army again... 14:27 - Looks at your natural. 14:31 - Army... 16:05 - Army... 17:33 - Army... 17:42 - Looks at the banshee headed towards his third, and sends marines to intercept it. 19:22 - Army... 21:19 - Looks at banshee headed towards his main. 21:50 - Army... 22:13 - Takes a look at the CC headed out of your base, and send units to intercept it. 24:09 - Army... 25:18 - Sends the remaining two tanks to your third without having scouted the expansion there. 25:22 - Looks at your main. 27:23 - Army... 27:35 - Takes a look at the small force in your natural. 27:43 - Looks at the units below your third. 29:03 - Army... 30:00 - Looks at the two CCs building in your fourth.
... 30 more minutes that I don't feel are really necessary to watch. I'd say pretty blatant FOW map hax.
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On June 25 2011 13:45 nullmind wrote:Server: NA My Name: FreshShock Hacker: Raine Replay: http://drop.sc/161211v1 PvZ on Tal'darim Altar if you look at his POV he checks my base at 0:05 and checks my forge and pylon area at 2:20 both of them blindly. He doesn't even bother looking at other side of the screen nor even attempts to scout other area. He blindly rushes me.
Not even remotely close to enough evidence to support a hacking allegation. At the start of the match he looks at the bottom right base to send his overlord there and at 2:20 he does the same to move zerglings there. I personally would have sent 2 lings to the other bases as well, but to each his own.
There's no lingering glances at your base or anything incredulous aside from a lucky guess.
Don't flame here, that isn't cool.
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On June 25 2011 08:06 holyvenom wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Server: NA Your Name: holyvenom Hacker Name: toolegit Replay: http://drop.sc/16085Description: First off, I haven't played a 1v1 in ages, and I barely have played 2v2 recently, so that's why I played so terribly in this game. I figured I was so close to victory I just kept plugging away. Anyway, I became suspicious after the match when I was thinking about it - around 6 minutes in I decide to send in one quick non-cloaked banshee to maybe do some damage and force some spores. I scan just before going in and he has 5 spores making. In his vision he's looking through the FOW and hasn't seen anything in my base yet other than my CC - he looks into my base and sees the Starport finishing with the Tech Lab and immediately builds an Evo. There are plenty of other moments when he's looking through the FOW (like at 25 mins), but there's nothing really obvious until about 29 minutes, where I send in a massive drop and he sends a bunch of lings back to his base once I move out. Finally, at the end, I move my main CC down to the expo defended by 2 pairs of rocks and he looks there through the FOW and immediately sends his lings to break down the rocks.
Notes from toolegit's POV:
+ Show Spoiler +1:18 - Takes a look at the supply depot building at the top of the ramp, and then up at the mineral line. Maybe suspicious. 1:57 - Checks the top of the ramp again. 6:01 - A pretty suspicious look at the area above the barracks he scouted, where you have a factory and starport building, as well as a second CC, then starts an evo chamber. 6:32 - Another weird look above the barracks (at the starport), then begins throwing down spores everywhere. 7:27 - A look through your base, and then follows your banshee. 7:57 - Stares at your base again to check on the barracks being built. 9:27 - Checks on a scouting marine. 10:28 - Peeks at your natural, and then your main again. 12:14 - Checks the ramp at your natural. 12:25 - Seems to look at the drop headed towards his natural. He then responds to it by pulling back some lings-- however the medivac was briefly in vision of the xelnaga tower. 13:36 - Checks your natural. ??? Moves units there shortly afterwards. 15:24 - Checks the natural again. (unit took damage shortly before) 28:55 - Looks directly at the drop headed to your main, as you said. 31:42 - Looks through your main again. 34:50 - Decides to send lings to kill rocks to new expansion. Suspicious.
Not so many instances of looking through FOW, since midway through the game he stares almost exclusively at the battles, but I am pretty convinced, especially considering the banshee counter. You don't scout either gas, or check the front after the first rax goes down, and throw up TEN spore crawlers? Highly unlikely. The constant unscouted base area staring was also pretty obvious.
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It's nice when they're easy isn't it. Thank you RedJustice.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2011 05:35 Hummingb1rd wrote:Suspicious... Server: North America Your Name: Hummingbird.656 Hacker Name: iCarly Replay(s): http://drop.sc/16076 http://drop.sc/16077 http://drop.sc/16078Description: Game 1, somehow finds my only proxy, on a map where you usually wouldn't scout there? Still dies to DTs however... (shows a mismatch between starsense and gamesense?) Game 2, finds proxy again, while scouting no other proxy locations. Senses contain and rushes medivacs without seeing it (?) idk. Other actions were suspicious. Game 3, scouts cross instead of close air first. Drops bunker as soon as I get second rax, recycles as soon as my natural CC goes down. Other stuff too... I'm sure there's many stuff I missed, but take a look at the three replays because it felt highly suspicious. Also, note that I'm a random player, and his sim citying vs randoms without scouting... *Please ignore the BM traded btw, he was trolling me in a chat channel forever so I told him a BO5 to settle it haha. Thanks!
I'm pretty sure there's not enough to conclusively peg him on hacking, and I'm not even sure he's doing it.
Game 1: For the reaper scout, he knows you have a stalker, and he might be assuming that you've taken the xel'naga between the bases, or he doesn't want to send it directly between the bases because of the aforementioned stalker. He doesn't want you to see the reaper coming, so he takes the longest path around, and happens to come upon your hidden DT tech. I feel like if he was hacking, he would have not lost to them, especially with how long the proxy would be there since DT tech takes sooo long to get to.
Game 2: He does scout your hallway for a proxy, and after scouting your base goes to his own and finds the pylon. As for the medivacs, I'll leave that to a higher level player who actually has knowledge of terran, since I'm a plat protoss XD
Game 3: I didn't particularly see anything suspicious here. Some people scout cross positions instead of close by air. In this case, since it's on Shakuras, it reveals your location no matter which base he goes to. I don't know the intricacies of TvT, so I don't understand the rest of your reasons. I did notice that your reaper (5:35) is able to get entirely into his base before being noticed and taken out.
Congrats on winning your Bo5 :D But I personally think your opponent was playing fairly.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2011 04:34 BEVRazerBlader wrote:I played an opponent in a high level game today, he played extremely suspiciously. Server: Europe Your Name: BEVRzrBlader Hacker Name: mjwShyK Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6779Description: He is clearly map-hacking to have vision. Firstly he does a fairly risky build, 1rax (fe) without scouting at all. He does not make any turrets, or scan at all. He does a very good counter to my build. He never gets any of the xel-nagas at this point. He is frequently looking at my base through the fog and my army just out side, again through the fog. He responds well to every banshee and drop I do, as soon as i get ready to land a CC, he stims marines to snipe it. He has no vision of the map at all until 17minutes in. Where without seeing an expo there, he sets tanks up and stims marines at one at one of my expansions. Throughout the game, he does many other suspicious things such as perfectly timed scans in tank wars (when i leap my tanks foward as I have a superior Viking count). Thank you
Just played same guy as you.
Server: Europe Your Name: Saafen Hacker Name: mjwShyk Replay: http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/4e05fd77e40f9_mjwShyKVsSaafen(MapHack).SC2Replay
Hes clearly maphacking. I even asked him -> "How did you know, maphacking?" He then response with -"no I scouted" -"burrow?" -"yes". Watched the rep, no burrow. When watching in First Person, its clearly hes MapHacking.
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On June 25 2011 15:26 RedJustice wrote: I have a certain unexplained love for this thread, and can't work on my bonus pool atm, so thought I would amuse myself looking over replays for once instead of just lurking.
It's me, I know.
Thanks to Probe for covering for me during the week + this weekend since I am coordinating a LAN all day
<3<3<3<3
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On June 26 2011 00:42 Torenhire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2011 15:26 RedJustice wrote: I have a certain unexplained love for this thread, and can't work on my bonus pool atm, so thought I would amuse myself looking over replays for once instead of just lurking.
It's me, I know. Thanks to Probe for covering for me during the week + this weekend since I am coordinating a LAN all day <3<3<3<3 + Show Spoiler +
<3 It is darling.
Bored at work, yay more. :D
On June 26 2011 00:33 Saafen wrote:+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2011 04:34 BEVRazerBlader wrote:I played an opponent in a high level game today, he played extremely suspiciously. Server: Europe Your Name: BEVRzrBlader Hacker Name: mjwShyK Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6779Description: He is clearly map-hacking to have vision. Firstly he does a fairly risky build, 1rax (fe) without scouting at all. He does not make any turrets, or scan at all. He does a very good counter to my build. He never gets any of the xel-nagas at this point. He is frequently looking at my base through the fog and my army just out side, again through the fog. He responds well to every banshee and drop I do, as soon as i get ready to land a CC, he stims marines to snipe it. He has no vision of the map at all until 17minutes in. Where without seeing an expo there, he sets tanks up and stims marines at one at one of my expansions. Throughout the game, he does many other suspicious things such as perfectly timed scans in tank wars (when i leap my tanks foward as I have a superior Viking count). Thank you Just played same guy as you. Server: Europe Your Name: Saafen Hacker Name: mjwShyk Replay: http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/4e05fd77e40f9_mjwShyKVsSaafen(MapHack).SC2ReplayHes clearly maphacking. I even asked him -> "How did you know, maphacking?" He then response with -"no I scouted" -"burrow?" -"yes". Watched the rep, no burrow. When watching in First Person, its clearly hes MapHacking.
From mjwShyk's POV:
+ Show Spoiler +1:47 - Peek at your base. 3:32 - Has another look in your base. 5:25 - Has a kind of suspicious look at the reaper which is right off the edge of his vision. 6:50 - Looks at your base and the bunker building at the natural. 7:12 - Sends lings straight to the two reapers in his third. Suspicious. 7:29 - Checks your CC floating to the natural, and army moving out. 7:35 - Checks natural again. 7:50 - Checks natural... 8:22 - Sends lings to intercept the reaper headed to the third. Suspicious. 8:28 - Checks natural... 8:36 - Natural... 8:48 - Natural... 9:05 - Natural... 9:46 - Natural... 10:07 - Natural... 10:21 - Checks base and then a missile turret building on the left side of the main. 10:54 - Checks your army moving out. 11:15 - Sends army to third, and checks army again. 11:26 - Moves army down ramp into units he can't see. Very well timed when you are out of position, no reason to attack that position without knowing army was there. 13:04 - Checks natural. 13:46 - Checks army moving out.
Map haxxxxx. :D
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Server: NA Your Name: Retep Hacker Name: Apples Replay: http://drop.sc/16175 Description: This guy didn't look like he was hacking to win (Although he gets a really odd BO win; who 10-pools on TDA blindly?), but still--look at what he says a few seconds into the game. It's my sc2ranks profile--wins/losses, and points, accurate to when the game was played. He had APM while saying it; the message was somehow automatically generated. Weird.
SC2ranks:http://sc2ranks.com/us/463388/Retep
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On June 26 2011 06:06 imareaver3 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Server: NA Your Name: Retep Hacker Name: Apples Replay: http://drop.sc/16175Description: This guy didn't look like he was hacking to win (Although he gets a really odd BO win; who 10-pools on TDA blindly?), but still--look at what he says a few seconds into the game. It's my sc2ranks profile--wins/losses, and points, accurate to when the game was played. He had APM while saying it; the message was somehow automatically generated. Weird. SC2ranks:http://sc2ranks.com/us/463388/Retep
His APM actually drops to 0 at the time, but it is a little weird. Not sure it's really possible to tell if he's doing anything questionable with that. I think he could have looked you up on the loading screen, and then copy-pasted into chat. Even so, it doesn't affect the game itself at all.
Watched the whole thing from his POV, and can't see there was any suggestion whatsoever of maphacking. He never looked at you through FOW, and sent out overlords and a drone scout. He scouted you right after his lings popped and was able to send them to your base. As for the 10 pool, people do builds like that on the map, simply because it's so large, it allows you to put on some early pressure hopefully without taking horrible damage if it doesn't go well. Certainly not a reason to think someone is hacking.
I would say definitely no proof.
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