EPTjokes aside, Awesome to hear that. Looking forward for two years from today to see what will happen once Gretech's contract expires and KeSPa can take SC2 as well.
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
jokes aside, Awesome to hear that. Looking forward for two years from today to see what will happen once Gretech's contract expires and KeSPa can take SC2 as well. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
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DetrA
United States148 Posts
On May 17 2011 13:11 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I could see him splitting his time between the two if the money is good enough in SC2 to justify the occasional tournament.. But I don't see him switching full on any time soon. You can't play BW part time and be the best in the world. | ||
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lbmaian
United States689 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:16 Vortok wrote: Blizzard manages to not kill BW. Can stop wondering if I would have to boycott or not now. SC2 still doesn't have LAN. That would be a good boycott reason  | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On May 18 2011 05:28 Ribbon wrote: What these means for BW Things go on as they've been going, except without a sword of damocles over the BW scene. Kespa and Blizzard pretend to be BFFs while secrectly hating each other. I think this board probably gets that better than I can explain, so I won't bother telling you all things you know  What this means for SC2: GSL stays on Anibox for at least 1 year. Chance of OS2L at MS2L increases dramatically. While GOM holds the rights to SC2, they have a strong incentive to allow other big tournaments (especially if they're not quite as big as the GSL). The Korean SC2 teams are getting ornery that washing out in the ro32 of the GSL gives you nothing to do for a whole month, and foreign players are openly saying they'll refuse a free Code A or even Code S spot because moving to Korea means being a Starcraft hermit because there's only one game in town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=224078 Later this week, GOM is going to announce a big change of format to allow for the MLG/GSL partnership, and an expanded role for the team leagues (Yay!). It's not impossible, but it is unlikely, that the SC2 fallout of the deal will come out this week (Because it might have been part of the deal). More likely later this year we'll see the real fallout. In terms of who "won", Kespa got most of what they wanted, but Blizzard/Gretech benefits more from warm relationships between the SC2 and BW community. I don't think anyone loses, though. Why would MSL/OSL for StarCraft2 ever happen? SC2 is popular among foreigners, but foreigners aren't watching Korean cable-TV. Blizzard would have to give them a lot of incentive (or force them) if they were gonna put SC2 on TV. | ||
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
Was kinna hoping to see them take it to the end in court to see what the extent is of game IP rights. But owell.. Hopefully this new collaboration will mean some good new investments into pro bw. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
If MSL/OSL already run with hardly any profits what makes you think they want to make MSL2/OSL2 at all? Even if the Gretech rights run out they would likely prefer to just broadcast GSL on their own terms for them rather than run their own tournaments at a loss. But this is total speculation anyway like everything you are saying, what we've been told solely relates to BW and nothing else. | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
MLG will have to get better in the west, GSL will have to get better in the east. There's a race on! | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On May 18 2011 08:01 infinity2k9 wrote: The only stuff i see Ribbon post is about how everything is going to switch to SC2 even if this doesn't represent reality. Seriously i dunno where you get your ideas from. If MSL/OSL already run with hardly any profits what makes you think they want to make MSL2/OSL2 at all? Even if the Gretech rights run out they would likely prefer to just broadcast GSL on their own terms for them rather than run their own tournaments at a loss. But this is total speculation anyway like everything you are saying, what we've been told solely relates to BW and nothing else. Also, SC2 players aren't doing cosplay and if your players aren't doing cosplay, no one will watch your game. Let them try what Leta did and we'll talk about the future of SC2 as an e-sport. + Show Spoiler + I am dead serious. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On May 18 2011 05:28 Ribbon wrote: What these means for BW Things go on as they've been going, except without a sword of damocles over the BW scene. Kespa and Blizzard pretend to be BFFs while secrectly hating each other. I think this board probably gets that better than I can explain, so I won't bother telling you all things you know What this means for SC2: GSL stays on Anibox for at least 1 year. Chance of OS2L at MS2L increases dramatically. While GOM holds the rights to SC2, they have a strong incentive to allow other big tournaments (especially if they're not quite as big as the GSL). The Korean SC2 teams are getting ornery that washing out in the ro32 of the GSL gives you nothing to do for a whole month, and foreign players are openly saying they'll refuse a free Code A or even Code S spot because moving to Korea means being a Starcraft hermit because there's only one game in town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=224078 Later this week, GOM is going to announce a big change of format to allow for the MLG/GSL partnership, and an expanded role for the team leagues (Yay!). It's not impossible, but it is unlikely, that the SC2 fallout of the deal will come out this week (Because it might have been part of the deal). More likely later this year we'll see the real fallout. In terms of who "won", Kespa got most of what they wanted, but Blizzard/Gretech benefits more from warm relationships between the SC2 and BW community. I don't think anyone loses, though. Here is what I don't get, about your post(s) BW is much more popular then SC2 right now in Korea. MBC and OGN have a hard time getting by(atleast, I know MBC had trouble in the past I believe). BW I believe(correct me if I am wrong) is one of the or the most succesfull E-sport game for them and it will attract the most viewers and sponsors. BW is aired during prime-time, perhaps not during 13:00 KST, when Proleague hits but on playoffs, MSL, OSL it is mostly during 18:00-20:00 KST, which means that depending on the games it can go on to well a fairly late time, primetime. MSL and OSL are not easy to maintain as it is, what makes you think that if the most popular program for E-sports can just barely get by, that they would invest in SC2?. SC2 is not really thriving at all, taking it up would be a huge risk because it would go at the cost of other programs and the GSL production costs from what I can see are large, they seem to have better equipment then even the people at PL(I could be wrong), with dem pyrotechnics and all that. Risk/reward and costs?Perhaps they will pick up SC2 once it grows larger, but not really anytime soon imo. | ||
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Furycrab
Canada456 Posts
On May 18 2011 07:39 Chef wrote: Why would MSL/OSL for StarCraft2 ever happen? SC2 is popular among foreigners, but foreigners aren't watching Korean cable-TV. Blizzard would have to give them a lot of incentive (or force them) if they were gonna put SC2 on TV. Expanding their products? That and they have a quite a few number of Korean players that are arguably underplayed? Like he said get knocked out of GSL and you have a full month of twiddling your thumbs. It's only a possibility but if you were an Exec for OGN or MBC, you're only worried about having content and having viewers, if it means having more shows to fill up slots you would run re-runs or lame ducks... Why not? NOTE: I'm NOT saying that the BW content being broadcast now is lame, I'm just saying they possibly have timeslots to fill and branching out into other products is usually a good way to keep a healthy network. Risk/reward and costs?Perhaps they will pick up SC2 once it grows larger, but not really anytime soon. *Shrug* to this. The risk is relatively low considering how many players consider themselves underplayed so the cost wouldn't be very high. The real risk is running friction with their current viewer base, so my guess is that if they plan on getting involved, they would just ease into it over time. God knows how long that might be. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 18 2011 08:01 infinity2k9 wrote: The only stuff i see Ribbon post is about how everything is going to switch to SC2 even if this doesn't represent reality. Seriously i dunno where you get your ideas from. I said....nothing of the sort. OS2L, if it even happened, would be smaller than the OSL. Significantly, in fact. Even if it continues to grow, SC2 will be a side-show to BW in Korea for at least 5 years, and even that's pretty fucking optimistic (like, Maybe it Flash admitted to paying his opponents to throw games to him using Colombian drug money, or other such major scandal. Maybe.). I'm just saying the too can co-exist. I never said they'd be equal, and I certainly never said SC2 would overtake BW in Korea in the near future. Korean SC2 is in desperate need of more tournaments than the GSL, or else it's going to collapse. GOM is trying to get more foreign players to go to Korea for tournaments, but it's literally not worth it for foreign players to go to Korea because the foreign scene is just as good for prizes. Preventing SC2 from collapsing is a major goal of Blizzard, and it's almost certainly a factor in making the deal. If MSL/OSL already run with hardly any profits what makes you think they want to make MSL2/OSL2 at all? You could keep it profitable by lowering the budget. There's a lot less money in SC2, which means you don't need as much ad revenue to run it profitably. It doesn't have to be as big as the normal OSL. It'd be stupid to make it as big as the OSL right now, in fact. Being optimistic that SC2 can grow doesn't make me blind to the reality that it's not anywhere near Brood War (even if it were an objectively better game right now, and it isn't, Brood War is also firmly ensconced in Korean culture). (I think OnGameNet was making OS2L rumblings at some point, but they might be soured on that now) But, y'know, it'd probably be bigger than BW 2v2s were. Even if the Gretech rights run out they would likely prefer to just broadcast GSL on their own terms for them rather than run their own tournaments at a loss. But this is total speculation anyway like everything you are saying, what we've been told solely relates to BW and nothing else. And the contract expiring at the same time as GOM's is a coincidence? Even if Kespa isn't thinking it, Blizzard most certainly is. tl;dr: Blizzard REALLY REALLY NEEDS more SC2 tournaments in Korea, and that's absolutely a big part of the reason they gave in to Kespa, even though they're obviously not going to say it. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On May 18 2011 08:24 Ribbon wrote: I said....nothing of the sort. OS2L, if it even happened, would be smaller than the OSL. Significantly, in fact. Even if it continues to grow, SC2 will be a side-show to BW in Korea for at least 5 years, and even that's pretty fucking optimistic (like, Maybe it Flash admitted to paying his opponents to throw games to him using Colombian drug money, or other such major scandal. Maybe.). I'm just saying the too can co-exist. I never said they'd be equal, and I certainly never said SC2 would overtake BW in Korea in the near future. Korean SC2 is in desperate need of more tournaments than the GSL, or else it's going to collapse. GOM is trying to get more foreign players to go to Korea for tournaments, but it's literally not worth it for foreign players to go to Korea because the foreign scene is just as good for prizes. Preventing SC2 from collapsing is a major goal of Blizzard, and it's almost certainly a factor in making the deal. You could keep it profitable by lowering the budget. There's a lot less money in SC2, which means you don't need as much ad revenue to run it profitably. It doesn't have to be as big as the normal OSL. It'd be stupid to make it as big as the OSL right now, in fact. Being optimistic that SC2 can grow doesn't make me blind to the reality that it's not anywhere near Brood War (even if it were an objectively better game right now, and it isn't, Brood War is also firmly ensconced in Korean culture). (I think OnGameNet was making OS2L rumblings at some point, but they might be soured on that now) But, y'know, it'd probably be bigger than BW 2v2s were. And the contract expiring at the same time as GOM's is a coincidence? Even if Kespa isn't thinking it, Blizzard most certainly is. tl;dr: Blizzard REALLY REALLY NEEDS more SC2 tournaments in Korea, and that's absolutely a big part of the reason they gave in to Kespa, even though they're obviously not going to say it. You also have to take note of the absence of LAN play. This is seriously hindering SC2 to be taken seriously as an e-Sport. | ||
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simme123
Sweden810 Posts
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 18 2011 08:50 aimaimaim wrote: You also have to take note of the absence of LAN play. This is seriously hindering SC2 to be taken seriously as an e-Sport. I don't think that matters nearly as much as people think. Blizz is going to make a tournament server functionality to keep things local. They've been promising it forever, but it'll happen if the lack of it causes enough ratings damage. Which I'm not convinced it will. Jaedong beat Flash via power failure once (and I saw that game, Flash was totally still in it!), but it hardly killed BW. What's likely to happen now if things continue as is is that the SC2 e-sports scene continues to be huge in the foreign tournaments, to the point that it grows e-sports generally but quite a bit, but fails in Korea because getting sick and losing in the Code A qualifiers means you make 0 dollars at Starcraft for the whole month. And maybe that's okay for Kespa, and it's okay for foreign SC2 players, but it's a huge embarrassment for Blizzard. I don't think Blizzard is trying to replace BW in Korea anymore. That fight is lost. They want to keep SC2 alive in Korea, and to do that they need more tournaments, or else all the Korean players will either quit or move away to play in the foreign scene. If Kespa offered to host an SC2 tournament, even a relatively tiny one that ran at 3am between the Bowflex Infomercial and the Skeezy porn flicks, they could get a lot for that. GOM is desperate enough that they're paying for Tastosis and some GSL players to go to MLG, which they're taking a break in their big Super Tournament to not conflict with it. Blizzard /Gretech is in a very desperate position, and it's important to understand that to understand why they're suddenly so accommodating to Kespa. SC2 is in serious danger of failing in Korea, but not because the fans are threatening to walk out; because the players are. (Admittedly, a lot of my source for this is Idra and Incontrol talking about it on SOTG, but the fact that foreign SC2 players can't be bothered to go to Korea even with a free Code S seed is pretty uncontroversial). Edit: I don't want to start a SC2 vs BW thread. I like SC2 quite a bit and think it has potential, but BW is absolutely better right now and will almost certainly still be better in 5 years. I'm talking about the reality of the two scenes in as much as it affects the contract negociations. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
I'm actually quite interested to see what happens to the e-Stars tournament and WCG now that everything has been settled. Will OGN still broadcast WCG 2011 despite the lack of BW? Will e-Stars put Blizzard games back on its lineup? I'm also interested to see KeSPA-affiliated sponsors and possibly even teams invest in SC2. It was rumored that subsidiaries of SKT and KT tried to sponsor GSL but backed out due to pressure from their parent companies. Also, I wonder if any BW teams will start opening SC2 divisions to test the waters with their B-teamers. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:34 Zephirdd wrote: I love how KeSPa and Blizzard were basically killing themselves and now they are all like "I love him, he is the best of the world, this guy is the man" jokes aside, Awesome to hear that. Looking forward for two years from today to see what will happen once Gretech's contract expires and KeSPa can take SC2 as well. It's business... I don't know why you guys are even surprised. I love that SC:BW now can live in peace with Blizzard, and there won't be more hate on SC2. Since I LOVE both games, and It would be pretty hard to see one going away or something like that. | ||
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