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BlackTactiks
United States52 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 18 2011 10:52 Ribbon wrote: I don't think we'll see people dual-wielding SC2 and BW, because you'd need to practice them both separately. We might see an "SC2" branch of CJ Entus or whatever, but it'll basically be an independent SC2 team with the same name as a BW team. Herp derp. This isn't a hypothetical situation like I made it out to be; WeMade Fox has an SC2 team. It's basically Moon, Lyn, and....some other guy who probably also sucks, and it doesn't even qualify for the new SC2 proleague (which is why I forgot they existed). Which makes it a good example of what BW/SC2 is now: 2 separate games with some of the same names floating around, and no real reason to compare them besides that they're both RTS's with an e-sports scene, with Brood War being the bigger of the two in Korea, and SC2 being bigger worldwide. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
Thanks to GOMTV's aggressive anti re-stream tactic, the two biggest starcraft site in China seem to have completely stopped uploading GSL/SC2 matches since March. So their best commentator all moved back to BW casting. These caster has a cult following in China similar to Day9 in the west. Ever since then, online interaction between the BW community has increased! GOMTV digging it's own grave? | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
So Kespa can do the bw stuff because now they are friends with blizz... Blizz want that Kespa runs a sc2tournm but kespa will never do it? China is moving back to bw... xD Gom is losing money every second? Foreign fail at sc2 in korea? | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 19 2011 22:26 ShadeR wrote: @ribbon moon and lyn are War3 players. I'm not so up to date but last i knew they were still Full-time War3 and part-time SC2. So they can be forgiven for being bad at SC2. My point was that the SC2 WeMade FOX had no connection to the BW WeMadeFOX except the name. On May 19 2011 23:10 mmdmmd wrote: BW is coming back guys! It never left Thanks to GOMTV's aggressive anti re-stream tactic, the two biggest starcraft site in China seem to have completely stopped uploading GSL/SC2 matches since March. So their best commentator all moved back to BW casting. These caster has a cult following in China similar to Day9 in the west. Ever since then, online interaction between the BW community has increased! GOMTV digging it's own grave? There's no difference to GOM between watching a restream and not watching at all. On May 19 2011 23:41 therockmanxx wrote: I really dont know whats happening right now guys So Kespa can do the bw stuff because now they are friends with blizz... Blizz want that Kespa runs a sc2tournm but kespa will never do it? China is moving back to bw... xD Gom is losing money every second? Foreign fail at sc2 in korea? 1. Kespa can continue like things were before, except they have to pretend to like Blizzard now. 2. Blizz almost certainly wants Kespa to run some SC2 tournaments, but I can't say what Kespa thinks about that. Kespa might have an incentive to do that because they can hold it hostage when the contract comes up for renegotiation in two years. If they did, and that's a big if, it would be a lot smaller than BW tournaments. 3. I was under the impression China was WC3 country, but I could very well be wrong on that. 4. GOM isn't losing money. SC2 is only a "failure" compared to BW (in the same sense lacrosse is a failure compared to football). Because the prizes are smaller, it doesn't need to be as big to be profitable. GOM is in danger of losing PLAYERS because it's too easy to lose 1 game early one and be screwed for the month with no work, and the players have been complaining about that. They just today announced a proper pro league to alleviate this somewhat (yay!) 5. Foreigners aren't "failing" at SC2 in Korea. They literally don't think it's worth it to go because the foreign SC2 scene is big. Koreans are playing in foreign tournaments now, and they're not crushing like they did in Brood War because there's a foreign SC2 scene. Because of this and the "players about to strike" thing from point 4, the GSL is rescheduling itself to make it easier for Koreans to go to IEM, MLG, and Dreamhack without interrupting their progress in the GSL. Koreans are competing in online tournaments like NASL and TSL, but playing against Europeans online DOES have lag issues, so that's kind of weird. The foreign scene is poised to outpace the Korean scene at this rate, which is something GOM is trying to avoid. | ||
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nka203
United States102 Posts
I bet at the event they were both thinking "son of a b**tch*.... | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On May 18 2011 22:22 Hatsu wrote: I think that to assume that Blizzard would reach an agreement that does not lead to the growth of SC2 in Korea is naive. Therefore, the most likely outcome of this is more SC2 tournaments in Korea. I am not so sure about that, BW is not that profitable and we are talking about the king of e-sport games in Korea by a large margin, SC2 is a niche inside a niche, the only way that I see Kespa and broadcasters getting into SC2 is by a big money push from Blizzard, will be worthy for any of the parts? I dont think so. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:00 palexhur wrote: I am not so sure about that, BW is not that profitable and we are talking about the king of e-sport games in Korea by a large margin, SC2 is a niche inside a niche, the only way that I see Kespa and broadcasters getting into SC2 is by a big money push from Blizzard, will be worthy for any of the parts? I dont think so. Brood war is not growing anymore though and sc2 still has a lot of potential to grow plus it reaches a way bigger audience than bw does. By sponsoring sc2 you reach out over the world which could be a good oppertunity for a multinational like lets say coca cola to sponsor a tournament instead of korean companies like brood war has. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:19 RvB wrote: Brood war is not growing anymore though and sc2 still has a lot of potential to grow plus it reaches a way bigger audience than bw does. By sponsoring sc2 you reach out over the world which could be a good oppertunity for a multinational like lets say coca cola to sponsor a tournament instead of korean companies like brood war has. ABC Mart is Japanese but has expanded to Korea. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:19 RvB wrote: Brood war is not growing anymore though and sc2 still has a lot of potential to grow plus it reaches a way bigger audience than bw does. By sponsoring sc2 you reach out over the world which could be a good oppertunity for a multinational like lets say coca cola to sponsor a tournament instead of korean companies like brood war has. Several Korean BW sponsors ARE MNCs. I hope you realise a company can be Korean owned and also be an MNC. | ||
mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On May 19 2011 23:10 mmdmmd wrote: BW is coming back guys! Thanks to GOMTV's aggressive anti re-stream tactic, the two biggest starcraft site in China seem to have completely stopped uploading GSL/SC2 matches since March. So their best commentator all moved back to BW casting. These caster has a cult following in China similar to Day9 in the west. Ever since then, online interaction between the BW community has increased! GOMTV digging it's own grave? Didn't GOMTV announce that there will be in-house casters for Chinese viewers in their own language (I guess mandarin/cantanese or w.e). | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:19 RvB wrote: Brood war is not growing anymore though and sc2 still has a lot of potential to grow plus it reaches a way bigger audience than bw does. By sponsoring sc2 you reach out over the world which could be a good oppertunity for a multinational like lets say coca cola to sponsor a tournament instead of korean companies like brood war has. growing in Korea? I dont know about you but I wouldnt count on that, after the big marketing, the nice graphics, and the big money from Blizzard the SC2 numbers are not what they should be, you are basing your statements in what you wish, but the facts are others. | ||
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:19 RvB wrote: Brood war is not growing anymore though and sc2 still has a lot of potential to grow plus it reaches a way bigger audience than bw does. By sponsoring sc2 you reach out over the world which could be a good oppertunity for a multinational like lets say coca cola to sponsor a tournament instead of korean companies like brood war has. coca cola did sponsor an osl before | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
5. Foreigners aren't "failing" at SC2 in Korea. They literally don't think it's worth it to go because the foreign SC2 scene is big. Koreans are playing in foreign tournaments now, and they're not crushing like they did in Brood War because there's a foreign SC2 scene. Because of this and the "players about to strike" thing from point 4, the GSL is rescheduling itself to make it easier for Koreans to go to IEM, MLG, and Dreamhack without interrupting their progress in the GSL. Koreans are competing in online tournaments like NASL and TSL, but playing against Europeans online DOES have lag issues, so that's kind of weird. The foreign scene is poised to outpace the Korean scene at this rate, which is something GOM is trying to avoid. You're not looking into the deeper picture here. Is it a surprise that Koreans won every foreign event that is held live (IEM, Dreamhack etc.)? They suffer from lots of lag when playing in cross region online tournaments like the TSL. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On May 19 2011 23:10 mmdmmd wrote: BW is coming back guys! Thanks to GOMTV's aggressive anti re-stream tactic, the two biggest starcraft site in China seem to have completely stopped uploading GSL/SC2 matches since March. So their best commentator all moved back to BW casting. These caster has a cult following in China similar to Day9 in the west. Ever since then, online interaction between the BW community has increased! GOMTV digging it's own grave? thats pretty hilarious hahah, would be cool to see the chinese resurge in BW, and maybe even come to challenge the koreans | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On May 17 2011 08:42 Milkis wrote: "All the participants went into the negotiations with passion, and the negotiations went through in a fun and open way". HAHAHAHAHA Oh maannnn this is too good. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
SC2 is only popular there, where children are able to afford it. In other east asian countries with a strong gaming culture like China or Vietnam for example, BW fast map and UMS are much more popular than SC2. And yet, they would account for at least 60% casual SC players of the planet, given their population and their strong addiction to gaming. Stop using the "world" as an argument lol. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
I think they have their own casters probably in TV Oh well that might be the topic of another thread =) | ||
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