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On January 31 2011 06:22 CubEdIn wrote:
Or an SK that had his computer broken. *giggles*
I'm going to point, out that that is a ridiculous claim as IIRC SK are bullet proof, If I were a SK why would I claim to have been protected.
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With GMarshal's hit claim the only thing that makes sense is an SK not sending in hits.
Mafia hit Gmarshal to try any get at me, D3 was probably a blue snipe? I'm actually a bit confused about that one. Roleblock BB.
SK is inactive, and forgets to send in hit.
It's really unlikely that the mafia would be willing to put forward two of their members to claim a hit and a role-block like that.
Also, thanks to whoever saved GMarshal. You have your mayor's gratitude.
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Going assume that it is not vig who shot D3 because mafia missed two Night Kills which is very unlikely.
I only explanation about mafia targeting D3 are
-Not because they think D3 is blue. The only thing that supports D3 being a blue is that he lurks, there are many other targets to choose from, why him.
-They are trying to frame people who say D3 is mafia by proving that D3 is not mafia (Kav's census).
-Also it's very stupid for mafia to kill someone who is on top of both town's lynch list and vig's "hit list."
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leads me to believe that their lineup is very inexperienced.
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On January 31 2011 06:41 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 06:22 CubEdIn wrote:
Or an SK that had his computer broken. *giggles*
I'm going to point, out that that is a ridiculous claim as IIRC SK are bullet proof, If I were a SK why would I claim to have been protected.
Well I was kidding, but technically, the only way to disprove you is to have all medics claim, and that's not gonna happen. So you can claim vig, you can claim protection, or you can not claim at all, it doesn't really matter.
But yeah.
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Ok, truth be told, I'm a Packer's fan. That may have some small influence on my choice of player to lynch tonight.
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And the new nickname that Jackal seems to think i should have is not helping his case either.
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On January 31 2011 06:40 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 04:40 LunarDestiny wrote:Jackal has yet to address his lack of constructive post in the game (prior being called out), don't be fooled by his high post count as most are one liner. Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not. And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing? Here is my clue analysis. you must have missed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7774030
I'm not chainsawing anything scummeister. I'm connecting the dots.
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On January 31 2011 07:34 Impervious wrote: And the new nickname that Jackal seems to think i should have is not helping his case either. Sorry. :p Was unintentional. Cheesehead.
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Thoughts on some of the hits:
Day 1:
TheAldo
+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2011 16:04 TheAldo wrote: /confirm
Does it make sense to be focusing on the word/color black just because it was bolded? I've been focusing on the music and the willingness to kill without a trace. I haven't come up with anything yet though.
So far I must say Kav seems like he would be a good mayor but I would like to see others run. Indicates support for kav as mayor. He does end up voting for him after switching from Dr. HOn January 24 2011 12:43 TheAldo wrote:I'm looking at the weapon here and Nemesis's profile looks like it could be something... Show nested quote + "I am the bone of my sword. Steel is my body, and fire is my blood. I have created over a thousand blades. Unknown to death. Nor known to life. Have withstood pain to create many weapons. Yet, these hands will never hold anything. So as I pray, 'Unlimited Blade Works'."
It is a week comparison but killing with a blade could be a clue... Small clue analysis against nemesis. Nothing big.On January 26 2011 09:44 TheAldo wrote: Bum you have really started to sound awfully scummy in like the last 5 posts. On January 26 2011 10:35 TheAldo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote:On January 26 2011 09:44 TheAldo wrote: Bum you have really started to sound awfully scummy in like the last 5 posts. You honestly don't think one of the candidates is mafia? You are just gonna sit there and vote and not say anything about what is happening? I mean if I talked about your last 5 posts, I'd have to use your /confirm post as well. What does that say. I suppose since Kav is going to be mayor, I'll put a lot more time into clues right now and then analysis later. Kav is lynching Original I assume, which I am not against with the good amount of clues found. RoL wants to kill amber, but I don't believe he is set on that. On January 26 2011 10:05 Impervious wrote: If we're worried about one of them being a mafia, forcing the job of bodyguard on the other is fucking dumb..... Regardless of whether we make the right choice or not..... Yeah... the opposing candidate is the last person I would pick. My first game, I haven't really had much to say but I had to comment on the flip flopping like a fish you were doing. Each day I have given what I thought about clues and yes I have gone through every profile. I'm lurking because I'm taking it all in. Calls out bumMayoral vote:Dr. H -> kavdragon Thoughts:Only people that might have a reason for killing him are bum + nemesis. Don't feel like theres anything substantial behind it.
MeapakZiph + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2011 16:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: /Confirm
Ok Kav you've definetly got my vote atm :D it's late so I'll look at the clue tomorrow but I've heard what others have said and I like the Qatol reasoning. If Kav gets the clue that'll be a good point in his favor (let's face it, right now he only has a fancy speech and I'd like a mayor with good scumhunting skills). It looks like Bum did some good background research so that does make me feel good about Kav.
Speaking of Bum, why do you want to lynch divinek? Even if it was a joke I'd like to hear why you said it.
Supports kavOn January 24 2011 15:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok I (and I think a lot of others) am really dissatisfied with the current group of mayor candidates. I'll go through and explain why I don't like each of them.
RoL: doesn't give a shit. He said he thinks he's good at scum hunting and a likely mafia night one kill. Ok those sound like good reasons I guess but why has he barely campaigned at all. Last game I played with RoL he worked pretty hard for his election. In that game he had a very take charge mentality while in this game he's been way too laid back. If being mayor mattered so little then why even bother saying you would run.
DrH: Similar to RoL he doesn't seem to care that much about getting elected. As aggressive as RoL when he ran DrH was ten times as aggressive and insistent about being elected. Along with his less then enthusiastic campaign, his platform is almost indistinguishable from Kavs. When I'm casting my vote I wanna know why I'm voting DrH not Kav and last time DrH ran I would have known why from the start and been reminded often.
Kav: I left him for last because if I was forced to vote right now it would probably be for him. He made his intention to run clear before the start of the game so I'm not as suspicious of his desire to get elected had he only just started his push. However what's stopping me from pulling the lever for him is Kita's concession. He basically ran saying "I'm not Kav" but he conceded to prevent DrH from being elected. If we were two hours before the deadline in a tight race between DrH and Kav I could understand Kita pulling out if he really felt DrH was scummy. But at this point the games barely even begun and kita conceded just after voting began. All of this just seems weird to me, if Kita really didn't want either Kav or DrH he could have voted RoL or campaigned harder for himself.
Anyway as I said, like a lot of people I'd like to see another candidate who offered a clear contrast from the current candidates.
[g]Can we vote for someone who did not declare candidacy?[/g] Interesting analysis of the 3 mayoral candidates. Connects kav and kita, suggests they might be scumbuddies? Doesn't like any of them but concedes to vote for kav if no better candidate presentsOn January 24 2011 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh and EBWOP because I'm suspicious of kita doesn't mean I'm also as suspicious of Kav, it just means right now I'm hesitant to vote for him. Clarifies kita/kav thing.On January 25 2011 08:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Well I guess Kav is going to win this election. I'd have liked RoL slightly better because if he's town he's a really good scumhunter and he's more experienced but he never really actively pursued being mayor and now he's conceded. Anyway if he's town he'll still scumhunt and own the shit out of mafia so him losing mayorship isn't that big of a deal (just means medics should consider him as a night own prot). Honestly out of all the things that could have happened in the mayor election this isn't even remotely the worst. All aboard the KavWagon :D Does a bit of a turnaround, saying he'd prefer RoL strangely enough.On January 25 2011 10:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah I'm good with your case against ON Kav, and you just made me feel a lot better about voting for you. However several people have voted for both you and RoL now and failed to give a reason for those votes. I'd like everyone to justify their votes in the thread for later reference. Agrees ON is a good lynch, asks people voting without giving reason to speak up.On January 25 2011 10:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 10:37 BrownBear wrote: I would think RoL would have posted saying "NVM guys, my bad, don't want to be mayor after all..." Perhaps he's feeling apathetic about this game as well? If so, why is he still playing? Apathy shouldn't be tolerated.
I'll switch over to Kav in a second. Let's not just all agree on killing ON right now though. More discussion/analysis = better chance of killing someone. Also, ON isn't really doing a good job of defending himself if he actually is scum. Typically scum are more active in their defense, and will usually try to deflect suspicion onto someone else, or highlight someone else's scummy behavior. Basically, draw suspicion away from them, not act like the suspicion is no big deal. That speaks apathetic townie to me, not scum. I agree that we shouldn't be 100% locked into lynching ON but as Ilovejonn (can I abbreviate to ILJ?) pointed out, ON has done a couple of weakish and scummish defenses of himself. Right now I'm inclined to say he's a SK rather than mafia but either would be a good kill. However I will (and I hope Kav does as well) continue to look around to make sure we have the best fit for the clue. Nothing much hereOn January 26 2011 03:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If they were "almost" targets wouldn't making them BGs just give them the push to make them "targets"? The last thing we want is for the BGs to be killed night one. That's why picking lurkers is a good idea if we aren't going to have volunteers. As I said before, it forces the mafia into a decision of killing strong or active players versus killing the mayor. I agree Kav, it seems like Amber's strategy merely clumps mafia targets and makes it easier to kill people who matter. Does't like amber's strat for picking BGs. Thinks lurkers would be a good idea.Mayoral vote:kavdragon Thoughts:Don't really know who would want to kill him honestly. He didn't accuse or suspect anyone to any extent. Possibly mafia wanting to take down a relatively experienced player that probably wouldn't have medic protection?
Sinquity (claimed) + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2011 11:48 SiNiquity wrote: I think Kitaman may be right about the blood / alignment relationship. Note that both LSB and Node are bolded, indicative of their neutral alignments. Perhaps this liquid will come to play a role later - anyone who drinks it, upon death, will have their alignment revealed (the potion was never the direct cause of death). The problem here then is Node claimed the liquid was a monster. An alignment revealing potion doesn't seem so monstrous... IMayoral vote:Kavdragon Day 2 lynch:Coagulation Thoughts: Day 2:
d3 + Show Spoiler +On January 25 2011 09:11 d3_crescentia wrote: I'd vote for RoL if he didn't seem so lazy. Some good insight on the mayor role.
I don't have a strong opinion of Kavdragon just yet, as his playstyle generally looks town.
For the most part we need to ignore clues and focus on the people themselves.
@darmousseh all those situations lead into a bunch of WIFOM. I'll be watching you for better posts. Calls out darmousseh somewhat.On January 29 2011 11:52 d3_crescentia wrote: Ugh.
I've been sick for the past few days. Food poisoning I think.
How much time do we have? I bought the case on Nemesis a few pages back so I'll be voting him. At any rate I'll vote to stay in so town doesn't get dicked over too hard but if you guys can find another sub I'm totally willing to step out. Votes for nemesis.On January 29 2011 21:27 d3_crescentia wrote: Thanks for the analysis LD. I really hope you read the other post where I said I've been SICK with some sort of bizarre disease that causes BLOOD to erupt from my BODILY ORIFICES, but I guess I left that detail out so as to not subject yourselves to the uncomfortable facts of my life.
Skipping that - the RoL vote. I'm convinced he was town, but unfortunately we have no way to confirm that with 3 modkills. I'm willing to bet that the mafia are going to be likely to stick around for at least the first vote before dying to activity requirements. The people that immediately come under suspicion on that list are Beneather, kitaman27, Eti307. Not sure if I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Darmousseh right now either considering I think he has weak posting.
I also happen to think that if we shoot Nemesis we should be able to start figuring things out on HIS vote list as well after night census. At this point in time we need as much information as we can get. Gets a bit pissed off at LD. Conviced RoL was town. Lists off a few people as suspicious, Beneather, kitaman27, Eti307, Darmousseh. Wants Nemesis dead from vig hit. On January 30 2011 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote: I find it ridiculous that you don't take my illness seriously.
I find it ridiculous that I can't call people out for weak posting, but I guess if you want to lynch me/shoot me for weak posting you can actually then look at the people that actually didn't say jack about their votes at ALL after the census turns out, instead of one-liners like me. Given that your reads are usually incorrect, I'd say the probability that you're red is low, but not low enough for me to discount you.
WHY lynch RoL when he was likely town and the strongest player we have? Then again that's been the most ridiculous pattern of towns in general - lynch RoL, find out he's town and then get fucked in the ass. When he hasn't been town he's generally been less lazy, but whatever - this isn't about him. Speaking of patterns - it's been town pattern to let the other dude off after Day 1 lynch and not pay attention to him until late game again. Happened with brocket last game; would've happened with Annul on Day 2 if there was no extended day. If we can see what he's doing you'll notice that he's hasn't said anything since he dodged the lynch. That's my concern now - he'll disappear now that he's no longer in danger.
If Nemesis dies, census is taken to check his alignment -> we start looking at his vote list. The only bad thing about this plan is wasting a vig shot on someone that should be dead anyway. Fact is that even when no one stepped up to actively defend him we ACTUALLY have bunch of dumb soft defends by GMarshal (who even said after some point "no one's defending him" and switched his vote to zergling) IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THREAD. Soft defends are treacherous territory at any rate, so it doesn't really say anything about anyone... yet.
But whatever.
As for Ace/Ver - they basically confirmed that I made the right play as mafia last game, regardless of however disgusting I felt about doing so. It's lame when town kills itself out of inactivity, so if you think I'm inactive and worth a bullet then KILL me NOW. Interesting point here, and I feel it has happened. Nemesis has completely slipped under the radar. Points out GMarshal soft defended Nemesis.Mayoral vote:RebirthOfLegenD Day 2 lynch:Nemesis Thoughts:Wow, a lot of people wouldn't mind him dead imo, Nemesis being top of the list. Darmousseh was another name that came up a bit. Beneather, kitaman27, Eti307, LD and GMarshal to a much lesser extent.
Gmarshal (claimed) + Show Spoiler + Mayoral vote: RebirthOfLeGenD Day 2 lynch: Coagulation -> Nemesis -> Mr. Zergling
Thoughts: Is bodyguard
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Sorry guys I'm going to be quite busy this week with school and Chinese New years with my family, so my posting will be very limited. I am voting Nemesis for now based on clues and also so that I have a placeholder vote in case I really miss the deadline.
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Meh, the other 2 aren't as important anyway, as there is no way to verify if they were actually hit or not.
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Revisiting our last day post does anybody care to comment on what this was all about?
[center]We googled all the information in our post, we do not condone the actions of the mafia, and find it despicable. Please lay off of our backs now.[center]
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On January 31 2011 07:44 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 06:40 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 04:40 LunarDestiny wrote:Jackal has yet to address his lack of constructive post in the game (prior being called out), don't be fooled by his high post count as most are one liner. Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not. And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing? Here is my clue analysis. you must have missed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7774030I'm not chainsawing anything scummeister. I'm connecting the dots. That was only after you were called out -.-
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On January 31 2011 08:36 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 07:44 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 06:40 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 04:40 LunarDestiny wrote:Jackal has yet to address his lack of constructive post in the game (prior being called out), don't be fooled by his high post count as most are one liner. Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not. And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing? Here is my clue analysis. you must have missed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7774030I'm not chainsawing anything scummeister. I'm connecting the dots. That was only after you were called out -.- That was last night while you were still screwing up your night post. Good try though.
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On January 31 2011 08:38 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 08:36 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 07:44 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 06:40 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 04:40 LunarDestiny wrote:Jackal has yet to address his lack of constructive post in the game (prior being called out), don't be fooled by his high post count as most are one liner. Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not. And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing? Here is my clue analysis. you must have missed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7774030I'm not chainsawing anything scummeister. I'm connecting the dots. That was only after you were called out -.- That was last night while you were still screwing up your night post. Good try though. Now, not only are you acting scummy, but you are also lying. That post is on page 59, day post is page 58, and that post also quotes coag who calls you out.
I'm not even going to bother arguing anymore as I think it is pretty obvious you are red at this point.
It's time to discuss next day's target then, while waiting for jackal to be lynched.
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On January 31 2011 06:20 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 06:19 Kavdragon wrote:On January 31 2011 06:16 GMarshal wrote: My apologies for disappearing for almost two days, my computer was broken and I was unable to get online, (on the bright side, new graphics card an ram), I'll catch up with the thread ASAP, but for now I wanted to point out that I was saved from a hit last night. That is all until I catch up with the thread Lol, and the missing hit finally shows up. And possibly the reason the SK hit wasn't sent in :p
you know tongues aside that makes some sense.
The SK would want to claim that he was saved, because if mafia hit him and he didnt claim they would almost know for sure that he was SK, I mean why else wouldnt you claim?
If med saved you would want to claim. If you were a vet you'd want to claim cause you already soaked up your hit.
Because then if they assume he's SK they'll want to push his lynch right away. So if he makes them think he's not SK then kekeke safe for another day or maybe even forever
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On January 31 2011 06:45 Kavdragon wrote: With GMarshal's hit claim the only thing that makes sense is an SK not sending in hits.
Mafia hit Gmarshal to try any get at me, D3 was probably a blue snipe? I'm actually a bit confused about that one. Roleblock BB.
SK is inactive, and forgets to send in hit.
It's really unlikely that the mafia would be willing to put forward two of their members to claim a hit and a role-block like that.
Also, thanks to whoever saved GMarshal. You have your mayor's gratitude.
If GMarshal was SK and his computer broke that would mean he was unable to send in his hit making it a 1 KP night.
He claimed saying he got but was protected by a medic to cover that up but in reality he is SK and look like he's contributing.
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