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On December 22 2010 18:33 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 18:14 adrenaLinG wrote:the intent behind this message is not so much "calling a buff" and 'being upset with activision and leaving for a better workplace' -- its to disrupt/hurt activision's business -- and illegal. So you can't leave the company that you work for because that hurts it? I don't get what they want to charge EA with, you have a right to leave job even in the land of the free no?
Well you can leave, but then you don't get paid anymore by the company! That's how the contracts work. These Treyarch guys were getting paid by Activision, while surreptitiously trying to undermine the success of other Activision games, and while starting development on an EA game and negotiating with EA in breach of contract. Under Activisions terms, they could have even started a game that EA would publish, but they had to wait until a certain period of time before they could shop it to other companies. But these guys wouldn't wait for that. It's like some of the rules in sports with Free Agency periods and the like.
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On December 22 2010 18:33 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 18:14 adrenaLinG wrote:the intent behind this message is not so much "calling a buff" and 'being upset with activision and leaving for a better workplace' -- its to disrupt/hurt activision's business -- and illegal. So you can't leave the company that you work for because that hurts it? I don't get what they want to charge EA with, you have a right to leave job even in the land of the free no?
you can leave a company whenever you want to, but you cant conspire to leave a company, take a bunch of workers with you, and hurt their business so that you can join a competitor
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It's hard to find a modern entertainment company that is universally more hated than Activision.
Edit: Political comment removed, because this is not a political thread.
I hope they are defeated in court, but it seems unlikely.
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On December 22 2010 12:58 Eishi_Ki wrote:
I hope both companies just shrivel up and keel over.
This. If only... 
On December 22 2010 18:52 TimeOut wrote:
It's hard to find a modern entertainment company that is universally more hated than Activision. But their business practices are to be expected in our capitalistic world, so this is not a surprise. As long as the world and modern economies continue down the path of unrestricted capitalism, humans will suffer.
I hope they are defeated in court, but it seems unlikely.
Honestly that is a rather arrogant thing to say. The reason you're in the house you are typing at the computer you have and talking about the game of SCII as it is, is all because of the progression of capitalism. Trying to make some bold political statement by using such a horrid example such as Activision is a great way to get flames stirring and bring the discussion somewhere totally irrelevant. The point is Activision is a malicious company and none of us should be surprised by this. We can all show our disdain by not buying their products.
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On December 22 2010 18:54 Thor-axe the Impaler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 12:58 Eishi_Ki wrote:
I hope both companies just shrivel up and keel over. This. If only... Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 18:52 TimeOut wrote:
It's hard to find a modern entertainment company that is universally more hated than Activision. But their business practices are to be expected in our capitalistic world, so this is not a surprise. As long as the world and modern economies continue down the path of unrestricted capitalism, humans will suffer.
I hope they are defeated in court, but it seems unlikely. Honestly that is a rather arrogant thing to say. The reason you're in the house you are typing at the computer you have and talking about the game of SCII as it is, is all because of the progression of capitalism. Trying to make some bold political statement by using such a horrid example such as Activision is a great way to get flames stirring and bring the discussion somewhere totally irrelevant. The point is Activision is a malicious company and none of us should be surprised by this. We can all show our disdain by not buying their products.
Which is exactly what I am doing, with the exception of Blizzard products. It's still sad that they are affiliated with Activision at any level, but there is nothing I can do about it.
I don't want to create a flame-war on political topics, so I'm removing my comment above, even though I still stand by it. Sorry. 
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On December 22 2010 18:52 TimeOut wrote:
It's hard to find a modern entertainment company that is universally more hated than Activision.
Edit: Political comment removed, because this is not a political thread.
I hope they are defeated in court, but it seems unlikely.
Owned
User was warned for this post
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On December 22 2010 18:18 LaLLsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 18:10 Joementum wrote:On December 22 2010 17:39 checo wrote:
Well thats what you get for trying to shit on a Big Bad company(Activision), so what ever hapends sorry EA but you had it coming 3. Activision is suing EA now because EA hired some old Activision employees. This is the key piece needed to solve this puzzle. When you start a new job, you sign a contract. A non compete agreement that by law mandates that you cannot, join or conspire with any company which shares the same market (in many shades of grey) as you. If you arent happy with the way things are than vote. We need more people to vote
What can I a vote do, it's the law?
Besides if they signed a contract then they're liable, not EA btw.
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On December 22 2010 19:04 LaLLsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 18:52 TimeOut wrote:
It's hard to find a modern entertainment company that is universally more hated than Activision.
Edit: Political comment removed, because this is not a political thread.
I hope they are defeated in court, but it seems unlikely. Owned
Thanks. If you want to discuss the things I've said with me, you are free to PM me. But Thor-axe the Impaler is right that this thread is the wrong place for it, so I've removed my comment.
If that constitutes "Owned" in your mind, then feel free to celebrate your victory over a random person on the internet.
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On December 22 2010 19:07 mikado wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 18:18 LaLLsc2 wrote:On December 22 2010 18:10 Joementum wrote:On December 22 2010 17:39 checo wrote:
Well thats what you get for trying to shit on a Big Bad company(Activision), so what ever hapends sorry EA but you had it coming 3. Activision is suing EA now because EA hired some old Activision employees. This is the key piece needed to solve this puzzle. When you start a new job, you sign a contract. A non compete agreement that by law mandates that you cannot, join or conspire with any company which shares the same market (in many shades of grey) as you. If you arent happy with the way things are than vote. We need more people to vote What can I a vote do, it's the law? Besides if they signed a contract then they're liable, not EA btw.
Vote to change the law, research all levels of government and vote with how you want to see this world operate.
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An unanswered question, were the royalty payments etc. also part of their employment contract? If it is then Activision broke the contract and it can be considered void when they failed to make a payment owed.
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On December 22 2010 19:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
An unanswered question, were the royalty payments etc. also part of their employment contract? If it is then Activision broke the contract and it can be considered void when they failed to make a payment owed.
I believe I read somewhere that Activision paid IW 36% or 46% of the royalty payments and held the other payment as "ransom" for them to make another CoD game. I have no idea what happened to the unpaid amount after the the shit hit the fan though.
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On December 22 2010 19:09 LaLLsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 19:07 mikado wrote:On December 22 2010 18:18 LaLLsc2 wrote:On December 22 2010 18:10 Joementum wrote:On December 22 2010 17:39 checo wrote:
Well thats what you get for trying to shit on a Big Bad company(Activision), so what ever hapends sorry EA but you had it coming 3. Activision is suing EA now because EA hired some old Activision employees. This is the key piece needed to solve this puzzle. When you start a new job, you sign a contract. A non compete agreement that by law mandates that you cannot, join or conspire with any company which shares the same market (in many shades of grey) as you. If you arent happy with the way things are than vote. We need more people to vote What can I a vote do, it's the law? Besides if they signed a contract then they're liable, not EA btw. Vote to change the law, research all levels of government and vote with how you want to see this world operate.
What's wrong with the law? A bunch of adults got into a contract, some of them aren't happy, battle it out in court.
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Hm, so basically, headhunting is illegal now in the US? Weird how companies in the allegedly market-believing US bitch about competition. Someone offers our employees better money? Unfair. Someone wants to make a rival product? Unfair.
I understand that they can sue their ex-employees if they did something illegal but the comptetitor? No way, that is just bullshit. Get used to the rules of freee market, Activition, and stop whining like a little bitch.
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On December 22 2010 19:19 mikado wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 19:09 LaLLsc2 wrote:On December 22 2010 19:07 mikado wrote:On December 22 2010 18:18 LaLLsc2 wrote:On December 22 2010 18:10 Joementum wrote:On December 22 2010 17:39 checo wrote:
Well thats what you get for trying to shit on a Big Bad company(Activision), so what ever hapends sorry EA but you had it coming 3. Activision is suing EA now because EA hired some old Activision employees. This is the key piece needed to solve this puzzle. When you start a new job, you sign a contract. A non compete agreement that by law mandates that you cannot, join or conspire with any company which shares the same market (in many shades of grey) as you. If you arent happy with the way things are than vote. We need more people to vote What can I a vote do, it's the law? Besides if they signed a contract then they're liable, not EA btw. Vote to change the law, research all levels of government and vote with how you want to see this world operate. What's wrong with the law? A bunch of adults got into a contract, some of them aren't happy, battle it out in court.
I completely agree, watch Activision win, is this what you agree with?
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Here are some of the actual court documents. Disregard if already posted.
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On December 22 2010 19:35 LaLLsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 19:19 mikado wrote:On December 22 2010 19:09 LaLLsc2 wrote:On December 22 2010 19:07 mikado wrote:On December 22 2010 18:18 LaLLsc2 wrote:On December 22 2010 18:10 Joementum wrote:On December 22 2010 17:39 checo wrote:
Well thats what you get for trying to shit on a Big Bad company(Activision), so what ever hapends sorry EA but you had it coming 3. Activision is suing EA now because EA hired some old Activision employees. This is the key piece needed to solve this puzzle. When you start a new job, you sign a contract. A non compete agreement that by law mandates that you cannot, join or conspire with any company which shares the same market (in many shades of grey) as you. If you arent happy with the way things are than vote. We need more people to vote What can I a vote do, it's the law? Besides if they signed a contract then they're liable, not EA btw. Vote to change the law, research all levels of government and vote with how you want to see this world operate. What's wrong with the law? A bunch of adults got into a contract, some of them aren't happy, battle it out in court. I completely agree, watch Activision win, is this what you agree with?
If they're rightful in the eyes of the law, then they are. Opinions don't matter on commercial issues like this.
I'm confused, do you suggest we change the law/s because you hate Activision? If so, lol.
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On December 22 2010 19:45 KonohaFlash wrote:Here are some of the actual court documents. Disregard if already posted. + Show Spoiler +
Where did you get those?
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On December 22 2010 19:47 Nathyrra wrote:Where did you get those?
Does Activision have proof of them saying that though? Right now, that document is sounding like a "he said, she said" thing.
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On December 22 2010 19:54 Joementum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 19:47 Nathyrra wrote:On December 22 2010 19:45 KonohaFlash wrote:Here are some of the actual court documents. Disregard if already posted. + Show Spoiler + Where did you get those? Does Activision have proof of them saying that though? Right now, that document is sounding like a "he said, she said" thing.
That's the thing, all we can do is speculate pretty much until the court date which is in May 2011.
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If Activision wins, Kotick will just monopolize the market and raise prices of games like no tomorrow. The consumers will be at the losing end of the stick if Activision wins.
EA is the lesser of the two evils IMO. Kinda pissed @ Acti for doubling the price of SC2 in my country vs a regular game and Fail.net 2.0
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