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So I just spent the last couple hours figuring out how long the majority of Protoss units and buildings take to make. I did this because I am going to have alot of free time on my hands for the next two weeks and I have an idea for a build order. Since I have been playing on Destination I have also figured out the travel distance for some units (this is the distance between your ramp and your opponents ramp). I thought this might be useful for someone so I decided to post it since I do not want somebody to waste their time doing this like I just did. Also I dont want to lose it since I just wrote it on an index card.
Units Probe: 12 - 13 seconds Zealot: 25 seconds Dragoon: 32 seconds Dark Templar: 32 seconds Shuttle: 38-39 seconds Reaver: 45 seconds
Buildings Nexus: 78 - 79 seconds Pylon: 22 seconds Gateway: 41 seconds Assimilator: 28 - 29 seconds Forge: 28-29 seconds Cybernetics Core: 41-42 seconds Robotics Facility: 54 seconds Robotics Support Bay: 22 seconds Observatory: 22 seconds Citadel of Adun: 41 - 42 seconds Temple of Achieves: 41 - 42 seconds
Upgrades Dragoon Range: 105 - 106 seconds Zealot Legs: 84 - 85 seconds +1 Attack: 168 - 169 seconds
Destination Travel Times Zealot without Legs: 41 seconds Dragoon: 34 seconds Shuttle: 27 - 28 seconds DT: 34 - 35 seconds
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
and stasis lasts 45 seconds or something like that
I suppose it's not useful for a build order but i thought i'd throw it in there
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On June 25 2009 13:28 infinity21 wrote:and stasis lasts 45 seconds or something like that
Feels like an eternity
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You do know you can find the exact times in the Starcraft map editor right?
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Although these may be helpful in theorycrafting, nothing's set in stone when you're in a game. Even the smallest things that your opponent does can affect your entire build order, such as in tvp when your wall is being attacked by a zealot and you're forced to repair.
Don't get me wrong, do try out different things to find what works for you, but I feel that good old fashioned practice and experience are the dominant factors in learning build orders.
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On June 25 2009 13:29 Grobyc wrote: You do know you can find the exact times in the Starcraft map editor right?
In my case, map editor doesn't work and as far as I know, the timing info for bw is the same as the one you find in the original expansion set guide which is outdated due to the older versions.
Plus, it never hurts to experiment even with "set" times to see how it works out for yourself.
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On June 25 2009 13:29 Grobyc wrote: You do know you can find the exact times in the Starcraft map editor right?
How?
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Dragoon Range takes forever to research, it's so annoying.
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I posted this before in another thread, the key to translate editor time to realtime on fastest is editor buildtime*(23.8/15). I calculated the numbers and rounded it down, there might still be errors in it somewhere. Your numbers seem pretty close to the ones I calculated.
I have everything with the same buildtime grouped for easy memorisation, or at least that was the idea at the time. + Show Spoiler +buildtimes are in seconds(=SCtime/(23.8/15)) units are in normal font buildings are in bold Protoss: + Show Spoiler +Units and buildings: + Show Spoiler +4,4 scarab 12,6 probe/archon/darchon/interceptor 18,9 Pylon/Observatory/Robotics Support Bay/Shield Battery 25,2 Zealot/Corsair/Observer/Forge/Assimilator 31,5 Dragoon/High Templar/Dark Templar/Photon Cannon/ 37,8 Shuttle/Gateway/Cybernetics Core/Citadel of Adun/Templar Archives/Fleet Beacon/Arbiter Tribunal 44,1 Reaver/Stargate 50,4 Scout/Robotics Facility 75,6 Nexus 88,2 Carrier 63,0,8 Arbiter Upgrades + Show Spoiler +63,0 Carrier Capacity 83,8 Leg Enhancements 83,8 Sensor Array 83,8 Gravitic Boosters 83,8 Sensor Array 83,8 Gravitic Boosters 104,6 Singularity Charge 104,6 Scarab Damage 104,6 Reaver Capacity 104,6 Gravitic Drive 104,6 Khaydarin Amulet 104,6 Apial Sensors 104,6 Gravitic Thrusters 104,6 Khaydarin Core 104,6 Argus Jewel 104,6 Argus Talisman 167,65 187,82 207,98 Protoss Armor Protoss Ground Weapons Protoss Plating Protoss Air Weapons Protoss Plasma Shields Abilities: + Show Spoiler +50,4 Hallucination 50,4 Disruption Web 63,0 Stasis Field 63,0 Maelstrom 75,6 Mind Control 75,6 Psionic Storm 75,6 Recall Zerg: + Show Spoiler +Units and buildings + Show Spoiler +12,6 Drones/Larva/Creep colony/Sunken colony/Spore Colony 17,6 Zergling/Hydralisk 18,9 Scourge 25,2 Overlord/Lurker/Mutalisk/Guardian/Devourer/Infested Terran/Hydralisk Den/Evolution Chamber/Extractor/Nydus Canal 31,5 Defiler/Queen 37,8 Ultralisk/Queen's Nest/Defiler Mound 50,4 Spawning PoolUltralisk Cavern 63,0 Lair 75,6 HatcheryHiveSpire/Greater Spire/Infested Command Center Upgrades + Show Spoiler +63,0 Metabolic Boost 63,0 Adrenal Glands 63,0 Muscular Augments 63,0 Grooved Spines 83,8 Antennae 83,8 Pneumatized Carapace 83,8 Chitinous Plating 83,8 Anabolic Synthesis 100,84 Ventral Sacs 104,6 Gamete Meiosis 104,6 Metasynaptic Node 167,65 187,82 207,98 Zerg Carapace Zerg Flyer Carapace Zerg Melee Attacks Zerg Missile Attacks Zerg Flyer Attacks Abilities + Show Spoiler +50,4 Burrowing 50,4 Spawn Broodling 50,4 Ensnare 63,0 Plague 63,0 Consume 75,6 Lurker Aspect Terran + Show Spoiler +Units and buildings + Show Spoiler +12,6 SCV 15,1 Marine/Firebat 18,9 Medic/Vulture/Missile Turret/Bunker 25,2 Goliath/Supply depot/Refinery/Machine Shop/Control Tower/Physics Lab/Covert Ops 31,5 Siege Tank/Dropship/Valkyrie/Ghost 37,8 Wraith/Engineering bay/Science Facility 44,1 Starport 50,4 Science Vessel/Barracks/Academy/Armory/Nuclear Silo 75,6 Command Center 83,8 Battlecruiser Upgrades + Show Spoiler +63,0 U-238 Shells 63,0 Ion Thrusters 63,0 Nuclear Missile 83,8 Charon Booster 104,6 Titan Reactor 104,6 Ocular Implants 104,6 Moebius Reactor 104,6 Apollo Reactor 104,6 Colossus Reactor 104,6 Caduceus Reactor 167,65 187,82 207,98 Infantry Armor Vehicle Plating Ship Plating Infantry weapons Vehicle Weapons Ship Weapons Abilities + Show Spoiler +50,4 Stimpacks 50,4 Spider Mines 50,4 Tank Siege Mode 50,4 Irradiate 50,4 Personnel Cloaking 50,4 Restoration 63,0 Lockdown 63,0 Cloaking Field 75,6 Optical Flare 75,6 EMP Shockwave 75,6 Yamato Gun
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Osaka27017 Posts
This info sounds useful for the TL wiki
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konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
On June 25 2009 14:13 Dreadwave wrote:I posted this before in another thread, the key to translate editor time to realtime on fastest is editor buildtime*(23.8/15). I calculated the numbers and rounded it down, there might still be errors in it somewhere. Your numbers seem pretty close to the ones I calculated. I have everything with the same buildtime grouped for easy memorisation, or at least that was the idea at the time. + Show Spoiler +buildtimes are in seconds(=SCtime/(23.8/15)) units are in normal font buildings are in bold Protoss: + Show Spoiler +Units and buildings: + Show Spoiler +4,4 scarab 12,6 probe/archon/darchon/interceptor 18,9 Pylon/Observatory/Robotics Support Bay/Shield Battery 25,2 Zealot/Corsair/Observer/Forge/Assimilator 31,5 Dragoon/High Templar/Dark Templar/Photon Cannon/ 37,8 Shuttle/Gateway/Cybernetics Core/Citadel of Adun/Templar Archives/Fleet Beacon/Arbiter Tribunal 44,1 Reaver/Stargate 50,4 Scout/Robotics Facility 75,6 Nexus 88,2 Carrier 63,0,8 Arbiter Upgrades + Show Spoiler +63,0 Carrier Capacity 83,8 Leg Enhancements 83,8 Sensor Array 83,8 Gravitic Boosters 83,8 Sensor Array 83,8 Gravitic Boosters 104,6 Singularity Charge 104,6 Scarab Damage 104,6 Reaver Capacity 104,6 Gravitic Drive 104,6 Khaydarin Amulet 104,6 Apial Sensors 104,6 Gravitic Thrusters 104,6 Khaydarin Core 104,6 Argus Jewel 104,6 Argus Talisman 167,65 187,82 207,98 Protoss Armor Protoss Ground Weapons Protoss Plating Protoss Air Weapons Protoss Plasma Shields Abilities: + Show Spoiler +50,4 Hallucination 50,4 Disruption Web 63,0 Stasis Field 63,0 Maelstrom 75,6 Mind Control 75,6 Psionic Storm 75,6 Recall Zerg: + Show Spoiler +Units and buildings + Show Spoiler +12,6 Drones/Larva/Creep colony/Sunken colony/Spore Colony 17,6 Zergling/Hydralisk 18,9 Scourge 25,2 Overlord/Lurker/Mutalisk/Guardian/Devourer/Infested Terran/Hydralisk Den/Evolution Chamber/Extractor/Nydus Canal 31,5 Defiler/Queen 37,8 Ultralisk/Queen's Nest/Defiler Mound 50,4 Spawning PoolUltralisk Cavern 63,0 Lair 75,6 HatcheryHiveSpire/Greater Spire/Infested Command Center Upgrades + Show Spoiler +63,0 Metabolic Boost 63,0 Adrenal Glands 63,0 Muscular Augments 63,0 Grooved Spines 83,8 Antennae 83,8 Pneumatized Carapace 83,8 Chitinous Plating 83,8 Anabolic Synthesis 100,84 Ventral Sacs 104,6 Gamete Meiosis 104,6 Metasynaptic Node 167,65 187,82 207,98 Zerg Carapace Zerg Flyer Carapace Zerg Melee Attacks Zerg Missile Attacks Zerg Flyer Attacks Abilities + Show Spoiler +50,4 Burrowing 50,4 Spawn Broodling 50,4 Ensnare 63,0 Plague 63,0 Consume 75,6 Lurker Aspect Terran + Show Spoiler +Units and buildings + Show Spoiler +12,6 SCV 15,1 Marine/Firebat 18,9 Medic/Vulture/Missile Turret/Bunker 25,2 Goliath/Supply depot/Refinery/Machine Shop/Control Tower/Physics Lab/Covert Ops 31,5 Siege Tank/Dropship/Valkyrie/Ghost 37,8 Wraith/Engineering bay/Science Facility 44,1 Starport 50,4 Science Vessel/Barracks/Academy/Armory/Nuclear Silo 75,6 Command Center 83,8 Battlecruiser Upgrades + Show Spoiler +63,0 U-238 Shells 63,0 Ion Thrusters 63,0 Nuclear Missile 83,8 Charon Booster 104,6 Titan Reactor 104,6 Ocular Implants 104,6 Moebius Reactor 104,6 Apollo Reactor 104,6 Colossus Reactor 104,6 Caduceus Reactor 167,65 187,82 207,98 Infantry Armor Vehicle Plating Ship Plating Infantry weapons Vehicle Weapons Ship Weapons Abilities + Show Spoiler +50,4 Stimpacks 50,4 Spider Mines 50,4 Tank Siege Mode 50,4 Irradiate 50,4 Personnel Cloaking 50,4 Restoration 63,0 Lockdown 63,0 Cloaking Field 75,6 Optical Flare 75,6 EMP Shockwave 75,6 Yamato Gun Wow sick, this should be in the wiki
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