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Props again to Falcynn for the original format
Props again to Falcynn for the original format
A centralized resource for mafia related information. Designed (hopefully) to be useful for cross referencing/clue analysis
-I don't have a ton of time, so some of this won't be filled in for quite a while unless someone is willing to do it and PM me.
-If you make a nice clue analysis feel free to PM me. I probably won't post the really short/thoughtless clue analyses (haven't decided yet), in either case, try and make sure your clue analysis says something new and is fairl well-explained.
-The biggest part missing is the Profile List if anyone is willing to get it, (manually, or by writing a program-where are you araav), please PM me.
-If I die, feel free to take the info here and make your own blog. Please only do so though if you are willing to continue updating it until your own death. Needless to say I will not be making any changes to this should I die.
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How We Got Here
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[Start]
-Players campaigned for mayor and pardoner at the start of the game.
[Sheriff]
BloodyCobbler is the Sheriff. He relied a lot on being a known figure, using IRC and being trusted by enough players.
[Mayor]
semioldguy is the Mayor. Same as BC, minus the IRC.
[The First Lynch]
semioldguy chose the first lynch (Rebirth of Legend)and was successful. Conclusive proof that all random number generators are rigged. There are now 9 mafia left.
Word From The Sheriff/Mayor:
No current messages. Feel free to PM me if you want something posted.
Word From :
Word From Me:
Chuiu's Clues:
Morning 1
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As night settled in the town of Liquidia all was silent. Except for the explosion in City Hall. The sheriff, Chuiu, ran out of his office across the street to see the building crumbling in on itself. He ran towards the building and stopped just at the steps when he spotted the mayor, Incognito, lying on the ground amongst the rubble. Chuiu helped Incognito to his feet and was briefed on the situation. A handful of individuals identifying themselves as part of the local mob family had destroyed City Hall in an attempt to kill Incognito. He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave. Chuiu took a few steps toward the building to see if he could find anyone in or around it. Then he spotted three running away from the back of the building. Chuiu ran after them and left Incognito alone.
He finally caught up with them a few moments later as they were getting in a car. He noticed they weren't leaving right away, what could they be waiting for? It didn't matter, he made a quick call for backup and decided to catch them off guard before they had a chance to leave. Approaching with gun drawn he demanded they get out of their car. Two of them exited. They approached Chuiu slowly and he backed up to a safer distance keeping the gun aimed at them. When they stopped he lowered the gun slightly and told them to put their hands behind their backs and get on the ground, then he yelled at the third person to get out of the car. One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side. He tackled Chuiu to the ground and then ran over to the gun and armed himself with it. The other mafia, now between Chuiu and the armed one, walked slowly up to Chuiu. He reached out his hand as if to help Chuiu up, Chuiu grabbed his hand with a puzzled look on his face and began to get up. But then the mafia pulled him close and stabbed him in the chest. They left Chuiu to bleed to death and got back into the car and drove to City Hall.
Over at City Hall Incognito just realized something the mafia might have missed. He began sifting through the rubble thinking he could score something to help catch the mafia. What he didn't know was one stayed back to make sure he was dead. He was shoved forward while hunched over pulling some concrete away and smashed his head into a large chunk of debris. He turned himself around to face the man and knew that whatever could be found was lost. With one shot to the head Incognito's life was ended.
As police began arriving one by one there were no witnesses or mafia to be found. Just the two bodies and the rubble where City Hall once stood. The town officials quickly set up a election to determine who would be the new Mayor and capable Sheriff to lead the town to safety from these dangerous criminals.
Morning 2
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A new theater had opened up in Liquidia and no one but a few who stumbled upon it knew. Those few would have the time of their lives. For within this theater wasn't a movie or a comedy or music, it was a drama. Once everyone was seated the doors were shut, bolted, and the lights dimmed. Everyone waited in anticipation for the show to start. They waited. Nothing happened. A couple started looking up towards the projector room and didn't even see a light. They got up and started to leave, one by one everyone followed and then a few people walked out of the shadows.
The first person targeted was Camlito. He was walking toward one of the mafia asking for a refund. What he got was a punch to the face. Grabbing his eye in pain Camlito backed up and tried to get a good look at the person who struck him. It seemed like it was one of the theater attendants he saw on the way in but why would they hit him? He tried reasoning but another punch came instead, this time Camlito dodged and countered by shoving the man to the ground. Some articles fell from his pocket, torn ticket stubs, old popcorn, a dried up white flower; just trash he had picked up from the ground. He got up and more determined than ever tripped Camlito and grabbed him from the back of his head. He slammed Camlito into a chair several times. Camlito looked back and saw a glare in return and then his killer finished him off with a final crushing blow.
During the fight three more had broken out. Scaramanga was down towards the bottom of the theater not really fighting but avoiding a man who was taunting him with a knife. He went from seat to isle to seat to stairs trying to avoid the man with the knife. When finally he saw there was nothing blocking the far door between him and his assailant he decided to try his luck and shove through the man. He successfully pushed his way through and ran towards the door, though once he opened it a small explosion triggered at several places and the walls came caving down on Scaramanga.
Across from where Camlito had died Qatol was frozen still staring down a man dressed in black. He heard a clicking sound from the mans coat and was sure he was armed to the teeth, ready to shoot him any second. Well he inched his way back towards the seats while his would be killer stood a few rows up and waited. Once Qatol was close enough he decided to make a break for it, he ducked under the cover of the seats and started running towards Camlito's corpse; the area now vacant of any other mafia. He was halfway and didn't hear any gunshots so he looked up and saw the man jumping from seat to seat barely keeping his balance before he moved to the next one and slowly closing in. Qatol stood up and ran full speed now but it was too late, the man jumped down on him from behind and brought him to the ground. As they struggled Qatol saw a glint of metal and thinking it was a gun tried to push it away, but his hand wasn't pushing away something it was pushing in. The knife penetrated Qatols right hand and his killer was rocking it back and forth making the wound hurt more. Screaming in pain and losing his strength quickly Qatol had no chance of defending himself as the knife continued forth and penetrated his chest.
But then there was one left. Ver had been fighting off someone pathetic at fighting and what looked like a biker full of snake tattoos, crosses, and other shit he couldn't make out. They had both armed themselves with knives but Ver was only afraid of the biker. He disarmed the other mafia and armed himself with the knife but the biker didn't attack yet. What Ver thought was a pathetic person came back after his knife. Ver slashed at him and he almost took a nasty gash to one of his arms. He went in again and caught Ver's arm just as he attacked again, this time he pried the knife from Ver's hand and tossed it to the side. The man then jumped down to the next row of seats and grabbed Ver's other arm, he held him there like some prisoner chained to a wall while his accomplice did all the nasty work. Ver's major arteries were stabbed into and they left him there to bleed out and die.
Day 3
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Confirmed Innocents:
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Assumed Innocents:
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Profile List:
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Display Name :
Birthday :
Country :
Joined :
Quote :
Name Meaning:
Clues:
Image:
Mafia Character Traits:
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On March 22 2009 06:26 Versatile wrote:
3. As for the mafia personalities, I've come up with:
a. Powerful, dressed in all black, armed man this may be Rice.
b. Weak, pathetic fight man
c. Tattooed biker man
d. Person-in-charge w/ bum characteristics The collector. Humbug possibly?.
e. Person possible multiple arms from Day 1 (or is a Pikachu lol)
f. Explosions man who sets traps and taunts.
3. As for the mafia personalities, I've come up with:
a. Powerful, dressed in all black, armed man this may be Rice.
b. Weak, pathetic fight man
c. Tattooed biker man
d. Person-in-charge w/ bum characteristics The collector. Humbug possibly?.
e. Person possible multiple arms from Day 1 (or is a Pikachu lol)
f. Explosions man who sets traps and taunts.
Repeating Themes:
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Clue Interpretations:
redtooth
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On March 22 2009 05:37 redtooth wrote:
Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I think we need to finish talking about Rice. I wrote this a few hours ago but people seemed more interested in mandalor (rightly so) so I refrained from posting it then. I communicated with Rice a bit but didn't produce anything too juicy. Regardless, read my mega post and formulate your own opinion:
Ultimate Compilation of Rice Clues
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Part 1: During the Night
Though I'm quoting myself, this is just to show that there was suspicion surrounding Rice the entire time. After RoL's odd response to his death, I went on a hunt to see who had made their first genuine post AFTER Chuiu's night post. This was because I believed RoL and at least one other mafia were faking inactivity and trying to lay low. As you can see, Rice's name surfaced.
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Part 2: The Second Day
Obviously all the figures in Rice's profile picture are all dressed in black. Weak argument but supportive of the case nonetheless.
This is where it gets much better. Near the back of the picture a man is wearing a coat (the second man from the right). Though I can't quite confirm it, there seems to be a camera-type object hanging from his neck. Rice has yet to deny this. As a matter of fact, in a private conversation with him he admitted to not knowing what they were. However, it doesn’t matter what they look to Rice so much as what they look to Chuiu. Looks like a camera to me so I’m going to extend this observation to Chuiu as well. Someone mentioned about the "trash in pockets" clue that maybe killers like to take pictures of their victims. Because it was later revealed in the paragraph that this mafia member did not have a gun, the clicking may have been from the camera. Also the mafia is "armed to the teeth". I brought up the question of why a man "armed to the teeth" would use a knife in my previous post. This is because a figure in Rice's picture (to the far right) is literally "armed to the teeth" with silverish fangs.
A semi-weak argument but Rice's profile picture also has a blatantly visible picture of a man holding a knife.
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Part 3: The Never Before Seen Exclusives
These are essential in solving the rest of the puzzle. As you can see on Rice's profile picture, there is a man wearing a bandana stating "Gravedigg..." A quick run through Google and Wikipedia led me here, to a "horrorcore" group called the Gravediggaz. Besides the constant references to death and killing, this group also has a lot of other hints linking them to the paragraph and Chuiu's clues. The other link is to the Gravediggaz unofficial website where you guys can dig up more clues. Please reference these pages for further arguments.
Poor Qatol. He had nowhere to go. Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide. Wait, were you thinking that I was talking about Qatol in the previous sentence? Nope. Check out the Gravediggaz wiki. Their 1994 single was called "Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide."
Just look at the song titles of the Gravediggaz and tell me they are not the type who would commit such acts. I don't mean to be judgemental, but "Diary of a Madman" and "Dangerous Mindz" seems to be descriptions fit for a man who would torture Qatol to death.
In the first quote (Chuiu's clue), the unessential parts of this clue were have a strikethrough but were kept in for the sake of context. The second quote contains the lyrics from the aforementioned song "Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide". It just happened to be the one I clicked for the following reasons:
a) Chuiu made these clues and I doubt he went through very many songs to find content necessary for the clue.
b) Chuiu made the clues so that we could theoretically interpret them properly. Choosing a random song and expecting the townspeople to go through each song is unlikely so I choose the song most relevant to the paragraph: "Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide".
Now what do these lyrics have to do with the clue? Well the killer was literally staring at Qatol and waiting, almost as if he was prowling his prey. Not only that, Qatol's killer only appeared after Camlito and Scara died. I would like to mention that this correlates with the whole "circle like a shark when fresh blood drips" part. When he (the killer) did make his move, he was jumping from seat to seat like an idiot ninja. I'd say "runnin mad wild" and "crazy, maniac, yo lunatic" are pretty good descriptions for that type of running around. Lastly, the killer rocked the knife back and forth. The obvious argument is that this sounds a lot like "rippin sheets from your skin". A stretch would take it so far as to say that "rocking back and forth" might reference the "child" aspect of the song.
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Part 4: Miscellaneous Arguments
- Rice has yet to offer a good argument other than the occasional sarcastic potshot at the clue analysis and claims of innocence.
- Each clue in Chuiu's posts is pointing at one specific mafia with specific clues. There isn't any person who'd fit the description better than Rice. I've offered him a chance to find someone who does fit better but he's yet to take me up on that offer and instead just says that I'm biased against him and that he gets targeted every game because of his profile picture.
- We don't lose much by killing off Rice.
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Part 5: Arguments Against Killing Off Rice
- A lot of the Part 3 clue analysis is really specific and some of the arguments are stretches. We also have to assume that Chuiu would go that indepth (I've never played a long game with him so I'm not quite sure about his clue-making style). However, it's as much a stretch as some of these "ninja" arguments are getting at.
- Rice said he's innocent.
- The whole "rocked the knife back and forth" thing is odd and I think that might be a clue we just looked over. Not really related to Rice other than that one stretch I offered.
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Conclusions
It's not worth keeping Rice alive. I admit these may be wrong (I am working with a heavy bias here) but I think this is enough of a case to warrant a lynch/VigiHit or if all else fails a cluecheck. The alternative is we keep a potential mafia alive, one who doesn't contribute much even if he is a townsperson.
Known Mafia Posting:
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On March 24 2009 15:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
More posts by Tricode:
"I agree with Cob. I think it is to early on to be picking people with such little evidence. At least cob is actually analyzing and being realistic about things, while MrBabyhands is just picking out who ever he wants to be the first victim. Same goes with Pyrrhuoxia.
BC is the only one keeping his head straight about this and isn't going to take some poorly given evidence such as someone finally randomly posting, or some clues that are looked way to far into."
Tricode says BC is good and MBH and Pyrrhuloxia are bad.
Mandalor says BC and Pyrrhuloxia are good, semioldguy and MBH are bad.
Another post by Tricode:
"Hey, isn't night suppose to be over by now? I would ask cob normally but he said something about not being online today much. Does anyone know when morning is suppose to happen? I'm kinda confused."
Malongo posted this:
"-The three number. At first this made me think of 3 lions, but theres one more person: [r]tricode[/r], wich is quite more suspicious since his profile is empty (thus forcing the three reference). I havent read too much from him, but he voted BC and came up with this post
On March 21 2009 08:16 Tricode wrote:
Hey, isn't night suppose to be over by now? I would ask cob normally but he said something about not being online today much. Does anyone know when morning is suppose to happen? I'm kinda confused.
this guy looks QUITE suspicious to me, im 80% sure hes mafia."
Malongo looks pretty good for this post in my book.
Tricode voted to kill fellow mafia Mandalor (note that Mandalor was as good as dead that this point):
"I am going to go with SOG's information since it holds merit. Unless someone can prove Mandalor is a miller or convince me otherwise.
I vote for Mandalor."
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Pretty weird post. If BC is mafia would Tricode really be a bad enough noob to post something like this? Maybe another mafia coached him to say this to make BC look bad? Though BC would have probably said something if the conversations didn't happen. BC better cough up some details about these conversations or he's gonna be lighting up as red as Rudolph.
Another tricode post, reponding to my post saying we still can't trust semioldguy 100% / send him roles:
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Some more of his posts for easy reference:
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So that makes two mafia getting into heated discussions with MrBabyHands and getting burned for it. If MBH is blue/green he's definitely earned the right to post the Afro Samurai pic. I hope if I die before the end of the game that someone else goes through all of the posts red players have made in order to make posts like this one. They'll probably start planting false stuff (if they haven't already) but if they waste too much time helping good guys to look good later instead of trying to influence things the wrong way they will lose anyway.
EDIT: had to fix some wonky spoiler tag issues
More posts by Tricode:
"I agree with Cob. I think it is to early on to be picking people with such little evidence. At least cob is actually analyzing and being realistic about things, while MrBabyhands is just picking out who ever he wants to be the first victim. Same goes with Pyrrhuoxia.
BC is the only one keeping his head straight about this and isn't going to take some poorly given evidence such as someone finally randomly posting, or some clues that are looked way to far into."
Tricode says BC is good and MBH and Pyrrhuloxia are bad.
Mandalor says BC and Pyrrhuloxia are good, semioldguy and MBH are bad.
Another post by Tricode:
"Hey, isn't night suppose to be over by now? I would ask cob normally but he said something about not being online today much. Does anyone know when morning is suppose to happen? I'm kinda confused."
Malongo posted this:
"-The three number. At first this made me think of 3 lions, but theres one more person: [r]tricode[/r], wich is quite more suspicious since his profile is empty (thus forcing the three reference). I havent read too much from him, but he voted BC and came up with this post
On March 21 2009 08:16 Tricode wrote:
Hey, isn't night suppose to be over by now? I would ask cob normally but he said something about not being online today much. Does anyone know when morning is suppose to happen? I'm kinda confused.
this guy looks QUITE suspicious to me, im 80% sure hes mafia."
Malongo looks pretty good for this post in my book.
Tricode voted to kill fellow mafia Mandalor (note that Mandalor was as good as dead that this point):
"I am going to go with SOG's information since it holds merit. Unless someone can prove Mandalor is a miller or convince me otherwise.
I vote for Mandalor."
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"I don't know what to say really. I was just being honest about everything. I don't post because I would just read and go on AIM and talk to cob.
Since I haven't been able to talk to him for the last two days. I was hoping you guys would help me. I didn't know when to vote until i saw others voting. I knew there was a clue in the morning and I am enjoying the game. Plus everyone said morning should be coming soon or something to that extent and it seemed like it was taking to long. So i was honestly confused.
I am not certain about the clues to much. I don't want to ruin my first game and have people getting mad at me for pointing fingers at people who are innocent and get them killed though I doubt people would listen to me.
If this helps in my defense, Cob knows I am new at this game and can vouch for my claims about being new and my behavior.
But I will admit you are kinda half right about me posting it so I don't look inactive (mind you I still posted cause I wanted answers and help). I want my first game to be as fun as I can make it. I am having fun reading what you guys are saying. I do wish I can help more, but until I learn this game a bit better and understand how the clues are presented, I don't want to be completely inactive where I get blamed like this, but I don't know how I can contribute. I'm sorry about that."
Since I haven't been able to talk to him for the last two days. I was hoping you guys would help me. I didn't know when to vote until i saw others voting. I knew there was a clue in the morning and I am enjoying the game. Plus everyone said morning should be coming soon or something to that extent and it seemed like it was taking to long. So i was honestly confused.
I am not certain about the clues to much. I don't want to ruin my first game and have people getting mad at me for pointing fingers at people who are innocent and get them killed though I doubt people would listen to me.
If this helps in my defense, Cob knows I am new at this game and can vouch for my claims about being new and my behavior.
But I will admit you are kinda half right about me posting it so I don't look inactive (mind you I still posted cause I wanted answers and help). I want my first game to be as fun as I can make it. I am having fun reading what you guys are saying. I do wish I can help more, but until I learn this game a bit better and understand how the clues are presented, I don't want to be completely inactive where I get blamed like this, but I don't know how I can contribute. I'm sorry about that."
Pretty weird post. If BC is mafia would Tricode really be a bad enough noob to post something like this? Maybe another mafia coached him to say this to make BC look bad? Though BC would have probably said something if the conversations didn't happen. BC better cough up some details about these conversations or he's gonna be lighting up as red as Rudolph.
Another tricode post, reponding to my post saying we still can't trust semioldguy 100% / send him roles:
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Uhm, I might be going out of a limb here, if he could be mafia, why would he get two of his mafia members killed? Sounds kinda unreasonable not to trust him =\.
Malongo, why rolecheck babyhands or any of those others? I think I am understanding the game better and if i understand it right, your asking for SoG to waste a rolecheck(s)? Also i posted my reasons of why i asked on page 47.
I think you are kinda making a lot of demands already and I would prefer you giving more evidence. Look at BC's analysis can you give something more like that. All you have given is some words you spotted and looking any way to accuse someone.
Malongo, why rolecheck babyhands or any of those others? I think I am understanding the game better and if i understand it right, your asking for SoG to waste a rolecheck(s)? Also i posted my reasons of why i asked on page 47.
I think you are kinda making a lot of demands already and I would prefer you giving more evidence. Look at BC's analysis can you give something more like that. All you have given is some words you spotted and looking any way to accuse someone.
Some more of his posts for easy reference:
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On March 23 2009 14:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Ehh well do what you want with semioldguy I am actually very convinced that he is not mafia for yet another reason after my new analysis of the election, which I will post shortly.
Then why did you just tell us not to trust him?
Ehh well do what you want with semioldguy I am actually very convinced that he is not mafia for yet another reason after my new analysis of the election, which I will post shortly.
Then why did you just tell us not to trust him?
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On March 23 2009 14:56 malongo wrote:
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On March 23 2009 14:35 Tricode wrote:
Malongo, why rolecheck babyhands or any of those others? I think I am understanding the game better and if i understand it right, your asking for SoG to waste a rolecheck(s)? Also i posted my reasons of why i asked on page 47.
I think you are kinda making a lot of demands already and I would prefer you giving more evidence. Look at BC's analysis can you give something more like that. All you have given is some words you spotted and looking any way to accuse someone.
Actually i remade my statement and didnt call for the rolecheck on Mrbabyhands. Maybe you are understanding the game better (LOL) but remember that not all dts can rolecheck now because rolechecks cant be consecutive. Im not making a demand (how could i demand somehing?) im proposing clues to the dts to use the cluechecks (they have to use them) so im guessing you dont understand the game better . And for my "random words" maybe you can give us more to work? have you proposed something? and for the last just remember how "sharp" conducted to ra.xor last game, my clue proposal may look simple yet they are all possible.
A last note to motbob:
If you are inocent why do you fear a cluecheck? im missing something? if someone made a call for a cluecheck like that for me id try to suggest a better target instead of your answer. I also noted that your vote came in quite late when the lynch was decided. Again you and tricode posts dont add much but rather look like mafia.
I said 'and others', you changed it from babyhands to some others.
You don't have to be a jerk about me still not understanding the game (by loling me), instead of actually trying to help me understand the game better to be more helpful, you do the opposite. To add, I am still trying to learn the game and how clues work. I don't know what kinda work you want me to put in since everyone else has a better understanding in what to look for.
Sorry about my choice of word about demand though, but you still are making requests with out any reason and I just want to understand why.
Also you can't ask me to remember something i was never there for. Though I would appreciate if you can tell me the pages (links) if you think it will help me be more useful to the game.
Lastly what do you mean my posts don't add much? If anything I am just more confused.
On March 24 2009 10:06 MrBabyHands wrote:
Based on the last day's clues (and behavior for some) I have 5 top mafia suspects. Just in case i dont survive the night, let me show you thems.
I present, MrBabyHands's Furious Five:
tricode : malongo noticed the repeating theme of "3" in the clues. tricode also made a suspicious post (that malongo also noticed). but his response to the idea that he might be a suspect is what convinced me... see below
I asked tricode what he thought about malongo bringing up his name as a suspect. this was his response:
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On March 22 2009 03:25 Tricode wrote:
I don't know what to say really. I was just being honest about everything. I don't post because I would just read and go on AIM and talk to cob.
Since I haven't been able to talk to him for the last two days. I was hoping you guys would help me. I didn't know when to vote until i saw others voting. I knew there was a clue in the morning and I am enjoying the game. Plus everyone said morning should be coming soon or something to that extent and it seemed like it was taking to long. So i was honestly confused.
I am not certain about the clues to much. I don't want to ruin my first game and have people getting mad at me for pointing fingers at people who are innocent and get them killed though I doubt people would listen to me.
If this helps in my defense, Cob knows I am new at this game and can vouch for my claims about being new and my behavior.
But I will admit you are kinda half right about me posting it so I don't look inactive (mind you I still posted cause I wanted answers and help). I want my first game to be as fun as I can make it. I am having fun reading what you guys are saying. I do wish I can help more, but until I learn this game a bit better and understand how the clues are presented, I don't want to be completely inactive where I get blamed like this, but I don't know how I can contribute. I'm sorry about that.
the ol "puppy dog eyes" technique
"i'm new"
"i was hoping someone could help me"
"its my first time, i just want to have fun"
"i dont want people to be mad at me"
this could verywell be his first time. but that doesnt mean he's not red.
i think he presented too many explanations and they were all around a common theme (first timer, new to the game, dont wanna mess up, etc). People do this when they have something to hide. I feel like most innocent new players are more likely to downplay their inexperience so as not to appear as a burden. Tricode did the opposite. I also feel like he's overcompensating for his inactivity, again posting lots of extraneous information (who is cob anyway) and appealing to our emotions he offers a humble apology at the end.
His only defense was "i'm new. sorry about that." And he didnt address the clues at all, even tho they were a main part in his suspicion.
if i wasnt sure he was mafia before, i am certainly more convinced now.
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First, Cob is BloodyCobbler, the guy who told me to hop onto this game with the information "It's fun". You know the sheriff of the game.
Second, the way i acted is how i am. But I do understand your suspension about me, it's very reasonable, but then again there is a suspicion of almost everyone being mafia and it would be difficult for many of us to prove our innocence.
Third as far as my thoughts for the clues, I think malongo is just looking to deep into that word. What else could have chiuiu have used in some of those other cases? The number three wasn't used to reference any mafia but events in the second morning clues.
Actually that number had nothing to do with any mafia member now that i looked at his thing again.
Let's add there is also the number 1 and 2 also. So are you going to look for anyone with those numbers?
Your cases against me is weak other then the percent chance that any of us can be mafia including you. I could make the claim that you two try very hard to pick other people but when some others get suspicious of you, you just ignore it and point fingers at others.
EDITED: MrBabyHands What if i say I find that it is weird that after you fail the election you seem to disappear. After making accusations against people you seem to disappear for a bit again.
People claim that most likely that a mafia member tried to run for the election and if i recall correctly you made the claim that everyone who was running was innocent (correct me if I am wrong)
Those are my thoughts, but I want more evidence before making more claims. That's why I want to play it a bit safe and wait for more clues, because I am not going to run around pointing fingers at every little thing I think could be a clue, that's called a Red Scare tactic. It might work, but when you get it wrong, you will lynch a lot of innocents.
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On March 23 2009 14:35 Tricode wrote:
Malongo, why rolecheck babyhands or any of those others? I think I am understanding the game better and if i understand it right, your asking for SoG to waste a rolecheck(s)? Also i posted my reasons of why i asked on page 47.
I think you are kinda making a lot of demands already and I would prefer you giving more evidence. Look at BC's analysis can you give something more like that. All you have given is some words you spotted and looking any way to accuse someone.
Actually i remade my statement and didnt call for the rolecheck on Mrbabyhands. Maybe you are understanding the game better (LOL) but remember that not all dts can rolecheck now because rolechecks cant be consecutive. Im not making a demand (how could i demand somehing?) im proposing clues to the dts to use the cluechecks (they have to use them) so im guessing you dont understand the game better . And for my "random words" maybe you can give us more to work? have you proposed something? and for the last just remember how "sharp" conducted to ra.xor last game, my clue proposal may look simple yet they are all possible.
A last note to motbob:
If you are inocent why do you fear a cluecheck? im missing something? if someone made a call for a cluecheck like that for me id try to suggest a better target instead of your answer. I also noted that your vote came in quite late when the lynch was decided. Again you and tricode posts dont add much but rather look like mafia.
I said 'and others', you changed it from babyhands to some others.
You don't have to be a jerk about me still not understanding the game (by loling me), instead of actually trying to help me understand the game better to be more helpful, you do the opposite. To add, I am still trying to learn the game and how clues work. I don't know what kinda work you want me to put in since everyone else has a better understanding in what to look for.
Sorry about my choice of word about demand though, but you still are making requests with out any reason and I just want to understand why.
Also you can't ask me to remember something i was never there for. Though I would appreciate if you can tell me the pages (links) if you think it will help me be more useful to the game.
Lastly what do you mean my posts don't add much? If anything I am just more confused.
On March 24 2009 10:06 MrBabyHands wrote:
Based on the last day's clues (and behavior for some) I have 5 top mafia suspects. Just in case i dont survive the night, let me show you thems.
I present, MrBabyHands's Furious Five:
tricode : malongo noticed the repeating theme of "3" in the clues. tricode also made a suspicious post (that malongo also noticed). but his response to the idea that he might be a suspect is what convinced me... see below
I asked tricode what he thought about malongo bringing up his name as a suspect. this was his response:
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On March 22 2009 03:25 Tricode wrote:
I don't know what to say really. I was just being honest about everything. I don't post because I would just read and go on AIM and talk to cob.
Since I haven't been able to talk to him for the last two days. I was hoping you guys would help me. I didn't know when to vote until i saw others voting. I knew there was a clue in the morning and I am enjoying the game. Plus everyone said morning should be coming soon or something to that extent and it seemed like it was taking to long. So i was honestly confused.
I am not certain about the clues to much. I don't want to ruin my first game and have people getting mad at me for pointing fingers at people who are innocent and get them killed though I doubt people would listen to me.
If this helps in my defense, Cob knows I am new at this game and can vouch for my claims about being new and my behavior.
But I will admit you are kinda half right about me posting it so I don't look inactive (mind you I still posted cause I wanted answers and help). I want my first game to be as fun as I can make it. I am having fun reading what you guys are saying. I do wish I can help more, but until I learn this game a bit better and understand how the clues are presented, I don't want to be completely inactive where I get blamed like this, but I don't know how I can contribute. I'm sorry about that.
the ol "puppy dog eyes" technique
"i'm new"
"i was hoping someone could help me"
"its my first time, i just want to have fun"
"i dont want people to be mad at me"
this could verywell be his first time. but that doesnt mean he's not red.
i think he presented too many explanations and they were all around a common theme (first timer, new to the game, dont wanna mess up, etc). People do this when they have something to hide. I feel like most innocent new players are more likely to downplay their inexperience so as not to appear as a burden. Tricode did the opposite. I also feel like he's overcompensating for his inactivity, again posting lots of extraneous information (who is cob anyway) and appealing to our emotions he offers a humble apology at the end.
His only defense was "i'm new. sorry about that." And he didnt address the clues at all, even tho they were a main part in his suspicion.
if i wasnt sure he was mafia before, i am certainly more convinced now.
(edited for a few typos)
First, Cob is BloodyCobbler, the guy who told me to hop onto this game with the information "It's fun". You know the sheriff of the game.
Second, the way i acted is how i am. But I do understand your suspension about me, it's very reasonable, but then again there is a suspicion of almost everyone being mafia and it would be difficult for many of us to prove our innocence.
Third as far as my thoughts for the clues, I think malongo is just looking to deep into that word. What else could have chiuiu have used in some of those other cases? The number three wasn't used to reference any mafia but events in the second morning clues.
Actually that number had nothing to do with any mafia member now that i looked at his thing again.
Let's add there is also the number 1 and 2 also. So are you going to look for anyone with those numbers?
Your cases against me is weak other then the percent chance that any of us can be mafia including you. I could make the claim that you two try very hard to pick other people but when some others get suspicious of you, you just ignore it and point fingers at others.
EDITED: MrBabyHands What if i say I find that it is weird that after you fail the election you seem to disappear. After making accusations against people you seem to disappear for a bit again.
People claim that most likely that a mafia member tried to run for the election and if i recall correctly you made the claim that everyone who was running was innocent (correct me if I am wrong)
Those are my thoughts, but I want more evidence before making more claims. That's why I want to play it a bit safe and wait for more clues, because I am not going to run around pointing fingers at every little thing I think could be a clue, that's called a Red Scare tactic. It might work, but when you get it wrong, you will lynch a lot of innocents.
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So that makes two mafia getting into heated discussions with MrBabyHands and getting burned for it. If MBH is blue/green he's definitely earned the right to post the Afro Samurai pic. I hope if I die before the end of the game that someone else goes through all of the posts red players have made in order to make posts like this one. They'll probably start planting false stuff (if they haven't already) but if they waste too much time helping good guys to look good later instead of trying to influence things the wrong way they will lose anyway.
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trident could also, again be focusing on the tri prefix pointing to 3 lions again or for a REALLY longshot.....trident is a type of nuclear weapon according to wiki, nuclear = fusion = fusionsdf
also I think the current clues for Trancestorm and Leperkahn are spot on(Leperkahns profile literally has a Bull's Eye in it and it makes no sense to say "a bullseye right in the shoulder....)
Pyrr might also be worth investigating on the grounds of hes a bird and we found feathers but that seems rather weak.
This could be another long shot but.... SNET is the acronym for a telephone service and pika chu was killed while using a telephone
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The people running for Mayor and posts explaining why they believe that they're the person for the job/them just announcing their candidacy.
Some dude
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