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...Would that help his GOAT candidacy more?
My brother argues that GSL is a more difficult tournament due to how much preparation time is allotted between a player's matches.
He continued by saying that in foreigner tournaments like Katowice the time between a player's next match is usually the following day where the whole tournament finishes within a week and the lack of preparation prevents players from getting the most out of themselves.
This combined with his opinion that facing the best Koreans who are incredibly prepared for their matches make it much harder than any international event.
Thoughts?
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Is it really still a candidacy? Is there really a brother?
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France12738 Posts
There can’t be a consensus GOAT in sc2. Every candidate has asterisks. French casters were saying GOAT Serral every game and it was the most annoying thing ever, because it’s far from being an obvious thing like Faker, Flash, Jordan, etc.
Like on LoL Faker is so far above anyone else that they have to do « specific roles » GOAT list
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GSL is overrated these days
Preparation is just a good excuse to use when Serral’s stomps the Koreans.
if you watch the GSL’s hardly any of the games are unique or has a specific prepared build. The only Koreans that really showed us “prepared” builds were Classic and Rogue
Every pro in the world will choose IEM Katowice over GSL.
GSL you can fail and try again next season, whereas you only have one chance at Katowice during the year
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There are only two things that make GSL special as of now: The fact that is in parts offline (I honestly forgot: Is the Group Stage back in the studio?) and the name. Nothing else.
The prizepool, atleast without help from the community, is a joke. I haven't done the exact math but I'm somewhat sure Wardi gave out more money in his last big tournament than GSL does.
If it wasn't for the studio, basically every big community figure could try to make a "world-wide" GSL and it would probably be more lucrative than the actual GSL. So we should really stop overrating GSL by now...it is a regional. Sure, maybe the hardest one to win, but still a regional, nothing more.
But if we, for a second, pretend GSL was still the biggest non-annual tournament: It definetly would have helped the discussion, since the korean elitists would have lost one of their biggest arguments. But in general, since Serral never did participate in GSL (and most likely never will, since it is ludicrous for foreigners to do so economically, not to mention he is about to enter his military service), we can't exactly make any clear guess on how he would perform. Maybe the preparation time would make him even more deadly, maybe it would hinder him. Though I personally would doubt it would hinder him much - feels more like another "koreans are soooooo much better at the game than Serral"-kind of delusion.
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United States1749 Posts
The last four GOAT articles are gonna be fire with all the nonsense going on since Serral won.
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Much nonsenses are being had with a 20-1 map score run after going through WC7 playoffs 14-1.
3-0 Solar
3-0 Maru
4-0 Reynor
5-1 herO
10-0 Kato group stages
3-0 Clem
3-1 Dark
4-0 Maru
So much nonsense.
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On February 15 2024 09:51 LostUsername100 wrote:
Much nonsenses are being had with a 20-1 map score run after going through WC7 playoffs 14-1.
3-0 Solar
3-0 Maru
4-0 Reynor
5-1 herO
10-0 Kato group stages
3-0 Clem
3-1 Dark
4-0 Maru
So much nonsense.
He's the GOAT* for sure
*lost a game though
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I wish other players would find the time to prepare against Serral.
In their defense, how could they possibly know they will meet on their way to the finals.
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On February 15 2024 09:51 LostUsername100 wrote:
Much nonsenses are being had with a 20-1 map score run after going through WC7 playoffs 14-1.
3-0 Solar
3-0 Maru
4-0 Reynor
5-1 herO
10-0 Kato group stages
3-0 Clem
3-1 Dark
4-0 Maru
So much nonsense.
Don't forget that zerg is OP and we just have to ignore that 7-1 dominance over Reynor and Dark because it doesn't fit our narrative.
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On February 15 2024 09:27 Mizenhauer wrote:
The last four GOAT articles are gonna be fire with all the nonsense going on since Serral won.
Yeah your data and analysis better show that Serral gets all four remaining slots or the SC2 community is going to excommunicate you, and you'll have to start writing about Fortnite.
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On February 15 2024 07:25 StuDToSs wrote:
...Would that help his GOAT candidacy more?
My brother argues that GSL is a more difficult tournament due to how much preparation time is allotted between a player's matches.
He continued by saying that in foreigner tournaments like Katowice the time between a player's next match is usually the following day where the whole tournament finishes within a week and the lack of preparation prevents players from getting the most out of themselves.
This combined with his opinion that facing the best Koreans who are incredibly prepared for their matches make it much harder than any international event.
Thoughts?
A GSL today? Absolutely not.
If Serral had won a GSL in 2017 it would probably contribute to his GOAT claim more in some peoples' eyes. I don't know what the conversion factor of GSL to world championships was while GSL was deep (2 to 1?), but a GSL today is IMO worth less than winning a season final.
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If you say something like this in 2018, then yeah I kinda agree. Serral was incredible but he hasn't got tested enough by KR players. He won some series against the best of them but there's no guarantee he could keep doing it once KR players really started to specifically prepare against him.
But whoever still believe the same thing in 2024 are just in pure denial. Serral has been the best player in the world for 5 years. He's won 25 premiere tournaments, even if you discount the region-lock ones he still won more than anyone else. You are kidding yourself if you don't think all the Korean players haven't been trying to prepare against him for the past 5 years. Everyone, especially the top players like Maru, Dark and Rogue, knows the biggest obstacle to their international success will be Serral, if there's one player they have to put in the most effort to prepare against, it's Serral.
And he still went 20-1 to take Katowice 2024. And he has hold a winning record against every single KR players in the last 5 years, many of them are pretty one-sided, including Maru. That's the result of years of supposedly fearsome KR preparation, not mere days or weeks. At this point, it's GSL that has lost its prestigious status because the best player in the world doesn't play in it, not the other way around.
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Northern Ireland22462 Posts
On February 15 2024 10:53 dysenterymd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2024 07:25 StuDToSs wrote:
...Would that help his GOAT candidacy more?
My brother argues that GSL is a more difficult tournament due to how much preparation time is allotted between a player's matches.
He continued by saying that in foreigner tournaments like Katowice the time between a player's next match is usually the following day where the whole tournament finishes within a week and the lack of preparation prevents players from getting the most out of themselves.
This combined with his opinion that facing the best Koreans who are incredibly prepared for their matches make it much harder than any international event.
Thoughts? A GSL today? Absolutely not. If Serral had won a GSL in 2017 it would probably contribute to his GOAT claim more in some peoples' eyes. I don't know what the conversion factor of GSL to world championships was while GSL was deep (2 to 1?), but a GSL today is IMO worth less than winning a season final.
Agreed, it’s a different challenge, and a different format to conquer, but the depth just isn’t there anymore.
This goes for Koreans as well, winning a GSL isn’t as meaningful for their legacy either, in large part because Serral and a lesser but still impactful degree, a Reynor or a Clem aren’t there.
This was fine when you had 20/15/10 really top notch, evenly matched players who are just outright better than everyone else except that outlying guy.
Now I think it’s not outrageous to say that of the current world top 10, GSL is missing at least 3.
It’s a crying shame really that a scene that brought so much joy to many didn’t get much of a helping hand from elsewhere to at least partly address the decline.
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On February 15 2024 09:27 Mizenhauer wrote:
The last four GOAT articles are gonna be fire with all the nonsense going on since Serral won.
I mean, it seems like you're intentionally making a questionable list to drive more site traffic through heated discussions. I'd be more surprised if your top 4 made sense, than if they caused more controversy.
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On February 15 2024 09:51 LostUsername100 wrote:
Much nonsenses are being had with a 20-1 map score run after going through WC7 playoffs 14-1.
3-0 Solar
3-0 Maru
4-0 Reynor
5-1 herO
10-0 Kato group stages
3-0 Clem
3-1 Dark
4-0 Maru
So much nonsense.
Koreans has been Serral’s punching for 5 years now
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On February 15 2024 12:23 esReveR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2024 09:27 Mizenhauer wrote:
The last four GOAT articles are gonna be fire with all the nonsense going on since Serral won. I mean, it seems like you're intentionally making a questionable list to drive more site traffic through heated discussions. I'd be more surprised if your top 4 made sense, than if they caused more controversy.
Smart marketing. Doing what’s best for business
Similar to what ESPN does. They make the dumbest statements everyday such as “Lebron is the goat” just for click baits
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On February 15 2024 09:27 Mizenhauer wrote:
The last four GOAT articles are gonna be fire with all the nonsense going on since Serral won.
There's pretty strong consensus he's reached the highest skill level peak ever and been the best player in the world for 6 of the 13.5 years the game has existed. It's probably more nonsensical to come up with specific criteria to not to put him on top of the list.
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On February 15 2024 09:27 Mizenhauer wrote:
The last four GOAT articles are gonna be fire with all the nonsense going on since Serral won.
Take it easy. You can always leave them unpublished. The site that cannot collectively produce an article on the Katowice winner and doesn't strongly demand such to exist can't be that frustrated if few papers doesn't appear. Particularly so, if winning and participation to the most recent Katowice isn't even part of the scope of time frame and criteria used to determine The Goat.
Your writings and efforts are very good overall. Thanks.
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lol at counting this year's results towards anyone's legacy given that almost every korean is studying to go back to school or has a side job. nobody's gsl's should be counted since last year.
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