On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote: LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.
If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.
This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others. ## Vote: DarthPunk
I can't vote with my strongest SR
##Vote swap
We should be lynching that though, IMO
You are amazing!!!!
They are both confirmed mafia to me at this point, so either lynch is good, its just going to be really hard to lynch marv later, cause we only need one townie not on that wagon and we lose, and, as you saw, marv is really convincing.
Really convincing because it’s genuine. That’s why you think it’s really convincing
Town, are you seeing all this?
Slam, LS is most likely just bussing to get a reaction from you. If you don’t see that then not a lot I can do. If DP and LS are mafia together I backed them into a corner and they need to make a plan, which probably isn’t LS hard defending DP.
On May 29 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think DP has looked more natural in his read progression. If LS is mafia, i don't know why DP has to have him as soft buss all game? Like DP can bus for sure, but i don't know what's it worth? If LS is town why wasn't LS up for lynch by mafia DP on D2? With LS wagon distraction there it could be possible, even LIKELY that there is a town lynch instead of VE lynch, and noone could even blame DP for that because he has been playing towards it whole game. Hell even if LS is mafia lynching inactive mafia member in team instead of hyper active VE is a win in comparison to situation now.
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote: LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.
If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.
This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others. ## Vote: DarthPunk
I can't vote with my strongest SR
##Vote swap
We should be lynching that though, IMO
You are amazing!!!!
They are both confirmed mafia to me at this point, so either lynch is good, its just going to be really hard to lynch marv later, cause we only need one townie not on that wagon and we lose, and, as you saw, marv is really convincing.
Really convincing because it’s genuine. That’s why you think it’s really convincing
Town, are you seeing all this?
Slam, LS is most likely just bussing to get a reaction from you. If you don’t see that then not a lot I can do. If DP and LS are mafia together I backed them into a corner and they need to make a plan, which probably isn’t LS hard defending DP.
If you are town you need to read this post carefully
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
This actually happened, Marv when he played as active mafia back in the day, had a couple of tells.
1.) he soft pushed people while not outright calling them mafia, and instead stinky/smelly
2.) he gave up quickly under pressure.
Im going to address the first one here.
On May 25 2023 03:01 marvellosity wrote: MZ your characterisation of what I said about you as OMGUS is weak sauce.
There is no curiosity in your posts about my alignment whatsoever.
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
On May 29 2023 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW".
None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire
I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. I will take no questions from DP because he is mafia. TTT - if you are just going to take the position that I am mafia spewing bs, fine. But assuming you are town, please go back, read my thoughts here again as if they are legitimately townie, and think about them. If you don't believe me, fine. Lynch me and then come back to this post.
The bolded is really interesting and basically confirms marv is mafia ( i was having small doubts by his emotions when rayn called him out)
But marv should know that this is coming because he was soft pushing me since day one, without calling me mafia, (massive scum tell) and this is actually the source of Confirmed town MZ's mafia read on marv
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide?
And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure?
You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game.
Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
This is when I started to suspect Marv, and this is why the post below from marv is not genuine.
On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?
Don’t know
This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +
useless in the context of the game <3
Rayn's reaction to this case:
On May 28 2023 13:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a huge fucking clown tbh not to see that... It's probably the best case in the game.
Other reasons marv is Mafia:
Marv is a self proclaimed VE expert, but rayn says this about Marv on VE:
On May 28 2023 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a sucker for some things he says, it was quite hard to convince him on VE while it would be easy to see for him. All the reasons. We will see.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
On May 28 2023 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: very early but koshi can come back to this..
1. Why did he (DP) hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
marv wrote that. Why is DP, but not VE suspect of this?
On May 28 2023 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right why doesn't marv feel like Slam is mafia when he voted "against" him D1? Like all Slam did was to praise marv and then voted for Vivax, i would expect marv would be annoyed at that shit but instead he calls Slam town.
On May 27 2023 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Slam, Chez, Onegu, LS etc are all doing a good job of appearing town are they? Really????
LS is DP's top mafia read, why is he here?
On May 28 2023 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv thinks and was one of the first to think Slam is town, why can't DP think Slam is town?
On May 28 2023 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is VE suspicious to some extent but never TOO suspicious, it was not hard to pick up the right things? Why is DP more suspicious than VE? I know on paper i would also say DP is suspicious but everything is not on paper, like the Koshi thingy, blaming me on his vote shit that's next level if mafia...
On May 28 2023 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh.. why is it so bad for DP to hop on VE "too fast"? marv agreed on the same case VE did.
On May 28 2023 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think DP and LS could be teammates marv?
In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about?
Do you know whats fucking weird. Why does he notthink about LS. When I have been posting about him for days, surely if he was suspicious of me, he would have thought about LS because I have been trying to get him lynched.
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
agreed
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
the LS thing
On May 29 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP and marv.. Ugh... Like every time i am in the thread with marv we're seeing things pretty similarly. That's usually town tell. I consider myself a decent player and if another decent player agrees with me then we're usually doing right things, and even if he is mafia we're still doing right things. That is early on. Lately there have been things that bug me. All the questions i asked yesterday i think are worth asking. I am not completely sure they make him look mafia but they are still worth asking. Maybe the biggest thing is i don't get how he can feel so strongly about DP being mafia, even before VE flip. It doesn't make sense to me, nor does the AFTER flip reaction when i have just kinda lead a lynch on mafia VE:
On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it.
Like.... rayn leads a lynch on mafia VE, DP is big suspect for marv, suddenly after flip i am mafia just because i have doubts about him as i clearly can't figure out all mafia as Onegu also flips. It's just... idk, maybe he is just a bit butthurt i am calling him mafia, i really don't know because it doesn't look natural. Another thing is i think DP was way more natural to flip his read on VE. To me that felt like "i thought he was town but shiiiitt.. this is good you nailed it dude!", which is really natural when i read an ACTUAL good case.
I also know marv has had doubts on VE a long time, but never really acted on them. I don't think there was a lot of time left when i made my case on VE, i DO have a feeling marv SHOULD see those things before, and acted on them. Hell he wrote good stuff like "VE lynches Vivax because D1 is the only day when he can lynch town Vivax", really good shit. But not realising VE is mafia earlier when all the evidence is there? Weird.
And just in case you are swayed by marvs appeals to emotion, you need to hold firm.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, [...]
see my problem is, as it is with most of those pbp analysis posts. you can always make out a lot of posts that seem townie from a person who posts a lot. it is the little things that make them mafia. 10 townie things do not make 1 scummy thing -> town. otherwise i would always read marv town in this game for instance.
On May 25 2023 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: So I know why /I/ think marv is town.
But honestly I don't know why anyone else does. Is that weird? That's weird isn't it?
On May 28 2023 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry marv but the more i look at this it looks more disgusting...........
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
This actually happened, Marv when he played as active mafia back in the day, had a couple of tells.
1.) he soft pushed people while not outright calling them mafia, and instead stinky/smelly
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW".
None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire
I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. I will take no questions from DP because he is mafia. TTT - if you are just going to take the position that I am mafia spewing bs, fine. But assuming you are town, please go back, read my thoughts here again as if they are legitimately townie, and think about them. If you don't believe me, fine. Lynch me and then come back to this post.
The bolded is really interesting and basically confirms marv is mafia ( i was having small doubts by his emotions when rayn called him out)
But marv should know that this is coming because he was soft pushing me since day one, without calling me mafia, (massive scum tell) and this is actually the source of Confirmed town MZ's mafia read on marv
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide?
And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure?
You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game.
Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
This is when I started to suspect Marv, and this is why the post below from marv is not genuine.
On May 23 2023 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?
Don’t know
This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 02:31 marvellosity wrote:
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +
On May 28 2023 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a sucker for some things he says, it was quite hard to convince him on VE while it would be easy to see for him. All the reasons. We will see.
On May 28 2023 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right why doesn't marv feel like Slam is mafia when he voted "against" him D1? Like all Slam did was to praise marv and then voted for Vivax, i would expect marv would be annoyed at that shit but instead he calls Slam town.
On May 28 2023 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is VE suspicious to some extent but never TOO suspicious, it was not hard to pick up the right things? Why is DP more suspicious than VE? I know on paper i would also say DP is suspicious but everything is not on paper, like the Koshi thingy, blaming me on his vote shit that's next level if mafia...
On May 28 2023 13:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like marv does this really fucking long pronged shit on DP that goes nowhere. DP has the same on VE.
All those on different wagons D1, none of them cares about each other for that to case.
What else does he have.
On May 28 2023 07:38 marvellosity wrote:
On May 28 2023 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think DP and LS could be teammates marv?
In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about?
Do you know whats fucking weird. Why does he notthink about LS. When I have been posting about him for days, surely if he was suspicious of me, he would have thought about LS because I have been trying to get him lynched.
DP and marv.. Ugh... Like every time i am in the thread with marv we're seeing things pretty similarly. That's usually town tell. I consider myself a decent player and if another decent player agrees with me then we're usually doing right things, and even if he is mafia we're still doing right things. That is early on. Lately there have been things that bug me. All the questions i asked yesterday i think are worth asking. I am not completely sure they make him look mafia but they are still worth asking. Maybe the biggest thing is i don't get how he can feel so strongly about DP being mafia, even before VE flip. It doesn't make sense to me, nor does the AFTER flip reaction when i have just kinda lead a lynch on mafia VE:
On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it.
Like.... rayn leads a lynch on mafia VE, DP is big suspect for marv, suddenly after flip i am mafia just because i have doubts about him as i clearly can't figure out all mafia as Onegu also flips. It's just... idk, maybe he is just a bit butthurt i am calling him mafia, i really don't know because it doesn't look natural. Another thing is i think DP was way more natural to flip his read on VE. To me that felt like "i thought he was town but shiiiitt.. this is good you nailed it dude!", which is really natural when i read an ACTUAL good case.
I also know marv has had doubts on VE a long time, but never really acted on them. I don't think there was a lot of time left when i made my case on VE, i DO have a feeling marv SHOULD see those things before, and acted on them. Hell he wrote good stuff like "VE lynches Vivax because D1 is the only day when he can lynch town Vivax", really good shit. But not realising VE is mafia earlier when all the evidence is there? Weird.
And just in case you are swayed by marvs appeals to emotion, you need to hold firm.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, [...]
see my problem is, as it is with most of those pbp analysis posts. you can always make out a lot of posts that seem townie from a person who posts a lot. it is the little things that make them mafia. 10 townie things do not make 1 scummy thing -> town. otherwise i would always read marv town in this game for instance.
On May 30 2023 04:56 DarthPunk wrote: If you are town you need to read this post carefully
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
This actually happened, Marv when he played as active mafia back in the day, had a couple of tells.
1.) he soft pushed people while not outright calling them mafia, and instead stinky/smelly
2.) he gave up quickly under pressure.
Im going to address the first one here.
On May 25 2023 03:01 marvellosity wrote: MZ your characterisation of what I said about you as OMGUS is weak sauce.
There is no curiosity in your posts about my alignment whatsoever.
On May 27 2023 10:38 marvellosity wrote:
On May 27 2023 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote: [quote] Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
It stinks to me
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
On May 29 2023 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW".
None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire
I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. I will take no questions from DP because he is mafia. TTT - if you are just going to take the position that I am mafia spewing bs, fine. But assuming you are town, please go back, read my thoughts here again as if they are legitimately townie, and think about them. If you don't believe me, fine. Lynch me and then come back to this post.
The bolded is really interesting and basically confirms marv is mafia ( i was having small doubts by his emotions when rayn called him out)
But marv should know that this is coming because he was soft pushing me since day one, without calling me mafia, (massive scum tell) and this is actually the source of Confirmed town MZ's mafia read on marv
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide?
And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure?
You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game.
Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote: [quote] If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
This is when I started to suspect Marv, and this is why the post below from marv is not genuine.
On May 23 2023 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?
Don’t know
This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 02:31 marvellosity wrote:
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +
useless in the context of the game <3
Rayn's reaction to this case:
On May 28 2023 13:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a huge fucking clown tbh not to see that... It's probably the best case in the game.
Other reasons marv is Mafia:
Marv is a self proclaimed VE expert, but rayn says this about Marv on VE:
On May 28 2023 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a sucker for some things he says, it was quite hard to convince him on VE while it would be easy to see for him. All the reasons. We will see.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
On May 28 2023 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: very early but koshi can come back to this..
On May 23 2023 20:02 Koshi wrote: Damn. I am already thinking marv is mafia. This might become a problem.
On May 23 2023 20:42 Koshi wrote: Lynch marv and mebaby
just a note to self.
And then there are the following questions:
On May 28 2023 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1. Why did he (DP) hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
marv wrote that. Why is DP, but not VE suspect of this?
On May 28 2023 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right why doesn't marv feel like Slam is mafia when he voted "against" him D1? Like all Slam did was to praise marv and then voted for Vivax, i would expect marv would be annoyed at that shit but instead he calls Slam town.
On May 28 2023 12:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 27 2023 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Slam, Chez, Onegu, LS etc are all doing a good job of appearing town are they? Really????
LS is DP's top mafia read, why is he here?
On May 28 2023 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv thinks and was one of the first to think Slam is town, why can't DP think Slam is town?
On May 28 2023 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is VE suspicious to some extent but never TOO suspicious, it was not hard to pick up the right things? Why is DP more suspicious than VE? I know on paper i would also say DP is suspicious but everything is not on paper, like the Koshi thingy, blaming me on his vote shit that's next level if mafia...
On May 28 2023 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh.. why is it so bad for DP to hop on VE "too fast"? marv agreed on the same case VE did.
On May 28 2023 13:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 28 2023 13:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like marv does this really fucking long pronged shit on DP that goes nowhere. DP has the same on VE.
All those on different wagons D1, none of them cares about each other for that to case.
What else does he have.
On May 28 2023 07:38 marvellosity wrote:
On May 28 2023 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think DP and LS could be teammates marv?
In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about?
Do you know whats fucking weird. Why does he notthink about LS. When I have been posting about him for days, surely if he was suspicious of me, he would have thought about LS because I have been trying to get him lynched.
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
agreed
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
On May 28 2023 13:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
the LS thing
On May 29 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP and marv.. Ugh... Like every time i am in the thread with marv we're seeing things pretty similarly. That's usually town tell. I consider myself a decent player and if another decent player agrees with me then we're usually doing right things, and even if he is mafia we're still doing right things. That is early on. Lately there have been things that bug me. All the questions i asked yesterday i think are worth asking. I am not completely sure they make him look mafia but they are still worth asking. Maybe the biggest thing is i don't get how he can feel so strongly about DP being mafia, even before VE flip. It doesn't make sense to me, nor does the AFTER flip reaction when i have just kinda lead a lynch on mafia VE:
On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it.
Like.... rayn leads a lynch on mafia VE, DP is big suspect for marv, suddenly after flip i am mafia just because i have doubts about him as i clearly can't figure out all mafia as Onegu also flips. It's just... idk, maybe he is just a bit butthurt i am calling him mafia, i really don't know because it doesn't look natural. Another thing is i think DP was way more natural to flip his read on VE. To me that felt like "i thought he was town but shiiiitt.. this is good you nailed it dude!", which is really natural when i read an ACTUAL good case.
I also know marv has had doubts on VE a long time, but never really acted on them. I don't think there was a lot of time left when i made my case on VE, i DO have a feeling marv SHOULD see those things before, and acted on them. Hell he wrote good stuff like "VE lynches Vivax because D1 is the only day when he can lynch town Vivax", really good shit. But not realising VE is mafia earlier when all the evidence is there? Weird.
And just in case you are swayed by marvs appeals to emotion, you need to hold firm.
On May 28 2023 13:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 28 2023 13:21 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, [...]
see my problem is, as it is with most of those pbp analysis posts. you can always make out a lot of posts that seem townie from a person who posts a lot. it is the little things that make them mafia. 10 townie things do not make 1 scummy thing -> town. otherwise i would always read marv town in this game for instance.
On May 25 2023 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: So I know why /I/ think marv is town.
But honestly I don't know why anyone else does. Is that weird? That's weird isn't it?
On May 28 2023 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry marv but the more i look at this it looks more disgusting...........
1. Why did he (DP) hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
##Unvote Marv
I am really switching between you and marv. I have to Filter you again. I will make a more accurate post later.
Yeah I get it, its hard, just really think about what rayn is saying in that post.
On May 30 2023 06:50 Chezinu wrote: Guess this will focus us to kill DP next if Marv flips town.
He won't flip town. Ask yourself if I am mafia? why would I be suicidal trying to get marv mislynched? And not just lynching LS? What about my thought patterns and actions makes sense unless I am town and truly believe marv is mafia?
On May 30 2023 06:50 Chezinu wrote: Guess this will focus us to kill DP next if Marv flips town.
He won't flip town. Ask yourself if I am mafia? why would I be suicidal trying to get marv mislynched? And not just lynching LS? What about my thought patterns and actions makes sense unless I am town and truly believe marv is mafia?
On May 30 2023 06:50 Chezinu wrote: Guess this will focus us to kill DP next if Marv flips town.
He won't flip town. Ask yourself if I am mafia? why would I be suicidal trying to get marv mislynched? And not just lynching LS? What about my thought patterns and actions makes sense unless I am town and truly believe marv is mafia?
On May 30 2023 06:50 Chezinu wrote: Guess this will focus us to kill DP next if Marv flips town.
He won't flip town. Ask yourself if I am mafia? why would I be suicidal trying to get marv mislynched? And not just lynching LS? What about my thought patterns and actions makes sense unless I am town and truly believe marv is mafia?
I've got to go work, I've read the thread up until now. I will be spending tonight on the game if there is still time.
Marv, I plan on putting effort into evaluating your claims. I need to verify the things people say about your tells, and how they're represented in this thread. I also need to look at your case on MZ in more detail to see whether your push on them was warranted as you say.
On May 30 2023 08:47 TankTopTiger wrote: How long from this post until lynch?
I've got to go work, I've read the thread up until now. I will be spending tonight on the game if there is still time.
Marv, I plan on putting effort into evaluating your claims. I need to verify the things people say about your tells, and how they're represented in this thread. I also need to look at your case on MZ in more detail to see whether your push on them was warranted as you say.
@Town I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player.
So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please.
EPT
come back friend.
