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Okay I'm caught up.
RE: Dodging
I'm sort of tired of people deciding what I should be doing or thinking about.
When I went after Marv, Koshi said I should be nailing down the newest player. This felt beyond stupid to me. Marv was avoiding providing evidence of his case (making me do it). Koshi avoided providing evidence that Marv was vetted (so I'd have to do it). And the whole time people have been telling me "no! you should be looking at MZ", the only person who seems willing to even consider the possibility that Marv shouldn't be default confirmed town.
While I don't like DP's description of me, there's certainly something to it. I don't think I've got this game figured out, and while I'm playing to win, I'm also playing to figure out how to win. I am beyond dismissive of strategies like "just sheep the good players, who are definitely town". I won't ever do that.
And despite all that, I was never parked on Marv as red. It just felt super wrong that everyone assumed he's town for what to me seemed like no reason. In particular, the way other people defended him (and at times he asked for people to defend him) just seems like he gets to control everything without ever putting his name on it.
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So you thought MZ is town?
I am sorry but i can't figure out what you are thinking if you are not saying it.
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Today I will go early to bed and try to get every drop of alcohol that still in my body and ruining me out. Tomorrw (european time) i have day off and i will show you that I can play here with the same or maybe more efford you put here. Will try to think in other ways and not make the same mistakes I made on d1. I should not just have one reason for somebody to vote or think he is mafia. I understand now. I have to scrutinize ever post from every person here. No matter if i am sure that he is def Town. I have to get more mind opening here and questening every post from every person... eyery vote... the way your are writing. I didn´t read it like I should. That was the biggest mistake I made so far and I am sorry for Vanilla Town. Sorry for Koshi. Sorry for all Villagers from my town. I will give my best now to let the MPG not to win. We already lost our Doctor. We lost 2 other people and I will try to find every other person from Town, because we will not lose against this Pussys
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On May 27 2023 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you thought MZ is town?
I am sorry but i can't figure out what you are thinking if you are not saying it.
When you saw Vivax flipped town -- and the vote was really close -- didn't a thought run through your head that the other lynch actually could be mafia?
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I would love to see the people on the MZ train explain why they were wrong.
I attacked Marv. I was told that's bad because Marv made the case on MZ and this was a good case actually. But apparently it wasn't a good case. So Marv wasn't a good town. Rayn you said Marv keeps town on track, but he "led" what would have been a mislynch.
I'm getting confused signals. You guys were wrong and now you're telling me off for not being wrong with you.
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On May 27 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2023 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you thought MZ is town?
I am sorry but i can't figure out what you are thinking if you are not saying it. When you saw Vivax flipped town -- and the vote was really close -- didn't a thought run through your head that the other lynch actually could be mafia?
I was thinking this way, but this was beginer mistake from me as well.
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@rayn
I read the whole thread with the mindset of vanilla town before receiving my role. So whatever my reads were (regardless of my alignment now), they were genuine.
My read on MZ was light green, and I thought the train on them was stupid backlash for questioning Marv. I thought Koshi was being super emotional and stupid about it (but I think his Vig shot was the right play from his position).
I also thought (at the time) that DP wouldn't take the risk of switching early as scum, because his general approach to things is to be non-commital and then commit hard later unless there's a good catalyst for him. But from what I'm reading from other players about his playstyle in this game is that is not how he plays in this.
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Also DP likes bussing, he's not the sort of player that would feel pressure to risk his own neck night one to save a relatively inactive mafia.
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On May 27 2023 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2023 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:yo wtf how does rayn go from On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked. to On May 27 2023 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk i am almost done with VE and voting him no matter what..
it's just too bad at the moment, i need a break. like I don't even Are you really just salty that I cucked your townie MZ lynch? Fuck off guy. I told you IN THIS THREAD that I was doing it you don't get to be mad about it because you fucked off and let me. No, i am annoyed you call me "intentionally obtuse" a number of times when i am definitely not and making arguments you YOURSELF agree with, like: Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Especially with your god reads backed up by Koshi and the rest of the sheeple? Why would any mafia fucking stay tunneled on marv in that situation?
Like this is what I'm talking about rayn, it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse, I understand biases but this feels...targeted. With intent. With an agenda. like comeon you agree with my point it's a possibility when i was arguing i didnät think town meapak would un-tunnel marv. And then i am intentionally obtuse? Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 26 2023 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing. I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise? idk why he should do that? Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on. Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it? Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!! This is full bullcrap because you're comparing scenarios some hours into the game vs some hours into the lynch and making it look like in both situations people should have the same amount of information on who gets lynched. Can you at least see hw there could be some holes in your thinking? But yeah no, rayn is intentionally obtuse playing like newbie. And this: Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote:
I‘ma call it a nighty-o
1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.
LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.
I‘m sorry if MZ is town.
I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.
Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point. Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2. You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch. I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation. FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM Actively harm town my ass, all you even had was your read based on Vivax interactions with mebaby, where your town read marv had already agreed with me your read is not necessarily true. And that immediately translates to rayn is mafia? And after that all, you have to come and call me all kind of things and try making it look i am somehow offending you? I came to this game to play a nice game of mafia, you're ruining it. Sadly i don't even know if you're doing it because you're mafia or just an ass right now...
You're the one getting personal and calling people bad. I could be wrong about your intentions, because I'm fucking town and I don't know your alignment. But you're calling me bad which applies regardless of my alignment. Fuck you rayn. You're not going to gaslight me into thinking I'm doing anything wrong here, you're the one with a bad fucking attitude because I DARE question you. I'm playing the game. Maybe you don't like how I'm doing it, but I'm doing it. I'm not ruining shit. I never called you "all kinds of things" I said it was like I was playing with newbie rayn because it felt like you aren't considering simple shit that WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS GAMES/POSTGAMES. And I did that ONE time. I'm not being mean to you or being offensive or anything like that. Maybe my reads are offensive to you. Maybe you dislike my reasoning. You were right that the Vivax read was wrong. Was it bad? Maybe. Maybe not. With a sample size of 2 I guess we'll find out eventually.
So you're either trying to gaslight me intentionally because you're fucking mafia, or you're actually so full of yourself as town that you literally think anyone who has a different opinion from you is bad at the game.
I'm going to be honest, I think maybe you're just town and a fucking dick.
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On May 27 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2023 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:TTT is town he actually thinking about the game although in a different manner but at least he trying to get solid reads for himself and move the thread a bit. Onegu is null leaning town? As town he is proud of his reads even on Day 1 and did try to get Rayn to follow him on VE Day 1 before he disappeared. Chez is null I didn't like how he pretty much RNG his vote between MZ and Vivax (both flipped town) but outside of that he been pretty trolly at parts like I remember him doing as town. Slam is null he being a bit more serious than i ever remember i don't know if it's alignment indicative or not but he also being weird towards Chez which idk what to make of it. DP is mafia he been tunneling me all game and refused to reevaluate in fact he did this: On May 26 2023 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
LS why do you think Koshi was killed? for why I thought Koshi was killed when I posted why I thought he was killed. here: On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f.......... Koshi said: On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here: On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that. Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch. And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake. What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip. I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already. Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive. I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game. I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there) Which he did reply to my post here: On May 26 2023 11:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f.......... Koshi said: On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here: On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that. Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch. And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake. What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip. I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already. Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive. I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game. I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there) You realize that both wagons being town substantially changes things, right? dmb is mafia she went balls to walls on Vivax starting here: On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them. and continued here: On May 23 2023 19:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
Vivax are you scared to write something? and tried to act confident on lynching him here: On May 23 2023 20:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 20:08 Vivax wrote:On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax has your friend played previously? She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point. Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases. I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance. I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too she continued for several posts and then later posted this gem: On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
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Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me  When Onegu, Chez, and Sent haven't posted in the thread (Sent being replaced later on in Night 1) as well wanted to lynch Onegu for being lurker (When more likely could of been modkilled or replaced if he haven't posted heck there were several people who weren't in the game when she voted Onegu.) In fact she also tried to push marv out of fear of him being mafia even though she was super paranoid of his scum game? She ended up voting Vivax and had her vote stay there thus we lynched Vivax. I think she is stuck now after that lynch because she is mafia who is running out of options. Rayn is town he didn't try to do any sort of trap play like he did in XXX night of debauchery and been actively solving the game in a way I expected him to as town. Marv is town I know he was given a bunch of shit but he would of had only 2 page filter as mafia at this point knowing him and how I dealt with mafia Marv but he been trying to solve the game whenever he was around through his own methods. VE is null yes he improved a bit after my initial reads post but then he lynched the doctor Day 1 idk if I feel about him after that. First of all sorry for being so inactive was celebrating my bd and had to work with hangover. At the begining i made two mistake, First one was considering of privat thoughts that V is mafia. Already told why and i am sorry for that was a big mistake. Can explain again if you want to. Second mistake i went was this list. Did´t check it perfectly as i should. Third thing was I didn´t know that the roles get automaticly to the players and that they are not selced. So for me was the message Your are Vanilla Town like 100 % sure. I am sorry for not knowing that, so I was writing here with so much conifdence because of that I thought you all know that the newbe only can be town... Big mistake as well For now i make a new list with my thoughts 1) TankTopTiger Town, because he came here and the way he writes and thinks is like other than the other players here but makes me sure for Town. 2) Alakaslam No opinen right now, but more like town 3) Chezinu Town 4) Vivax lynched day 1. Sorry baby for voting on you for privat thoughts 5) LightningStrike Town (for now) 6) DarthPunk Could be mafia. Maybe him or marv but not both. They are not in the same boat 7) Onegu not activ, what should I say about it 8) Koshi killed night 1 sorry but told he is town 9) die_meatbaby doesn´t matter because you all have to make your own opinen about me, even if it seems bad for me right now 10) raynpelikoneet def Mafia At the D1 i was writing V and you are Mafia. You where pissed and tried to protect your self. Few hours before the voting was ending. I made a post where I said I would change my mind on you but not on V. After this you made an fucking importent and smart post. "Onegu is perfoming to strong for being Town and Vivax is to less paronied for being Town." This changed like everything. I was pointing out that you where just writing my thougths of V. THAT WAS MY ONLY REASON OF THINKING V WAS M (big mistake and sorry for all my Townies. I learn from mistake. Thats life) I didn´t want to leek a private thing about that Paronied stuff of V. At this point VE was tryieng to get votes on V only on V. This makes me so fucking suspicious. Like this was a perfectly played move from you and VE. Just amzing. At this point after Voting I just saw what you two where doeing here. The fact that you two played this so perfectly fascinated me. Atm I realesd with how much effort you all play and how fucking accurate i have to be here. How accurate i should read the posts here. This game is def. more harder than I ever thought. This point made me realse that I shouldn´t just write my thoughts. I have do do more. Have to think things more through than I ever did in my life. 11) Meapak_Ziphh killed night 1 Sorry for saying you where m 12) marvellosity Also could be both he write in like a save way but wouldn´t vote on him right know not sure if he is with VE and Rayn in the MPG (Mafia Pussy Gang) 13) VisceraEyes 1000000% Mafia. Like nothing else. On D1 one I did make a list like this in made mistake because of not controlling everything and didn´t put much efford in it. Mistakes make people seem like mafia. Big mistake from me again. He answering on Koshi who where on this point like i am mafia and i already got 3 votes on me at this point on my first day, also birthday and first game. He tried to protect me. for Towns who thought of mafia on me. He got weak. He had compassion on me. Wrote under my post "Guys you can´t make vote on this..." Still thanks for protecting me at this moment, because as mafia you realized what beginner mistake I did and had pity on me. Nice but big mistake from you. protecting a new girl is nice but still not good for you Mafiastatus
@raynpelikoneet @VisceraEyes I would like to see a anwer from both of you
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On May 27 2023 08:12 TankTopTiger wrote:
I would love to see the people on the MZ train explain why they were wrong.
I attacked Marv. I was told that's bad because Marv made the case on MZ and this was a good case actually. But apparently it wasn't a good case. So Marv wasn't a good town. Rayn you said Marv keeps town on track, but he "led" what would have been a mislynch.
I'm getting confused signals. You guys were wrong and now you're telling me off for not being wrong with you.
Look, i am not blaming you for attacking marv. I don't see the same way you apparently do about his alignment, and i have told you why as clearly as i can.
I found it confusing, because as i said, if I WOULD join the game N1, and see a lynch close and townie lynched, my first thought would be "could pretty much everyone be wrong?", and that would make me rethink anything i have read about the game (about Meapak). Instead of this, you did give nothing about Meapak, but instead attacked marv.
That feels not natural way for me to progress there. That's my point here. But you have now given your answer and i am gonna drop the questioning about it, regardless of what i think it makes you.
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On May 27 2023 08:20 TankTopTiger wrote:
ebwop
inactive => ineffective
Sorry I already told I have to improve my writing english, because normaly I just talk english to the people in RL
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On May 27 2023 08:20 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 27 2023 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:TTT is town he actually thinking about the game although in a different manner but at least he trying to get solid reads for himself and move the thread a bit. Onegu is null leaning town? As town he is proud of his reads even on Day 1 and did try to get Rayn to follow him on VE Day 1 before he disappeared. Chez is null I didn't like how he pretty much RNG his vote between MZ and Vivax (both flipped town) but outside of that he been pretty trolly at parts like I remember him doing as town. Slam is null he being a bit more serious than i ever remember i don't know if it's alignment indicative or not but he also being weird towards Chez which idk what to make of it. DP is mafia he been tunneling me all game and refused to reevaluate in fact he did this: On May 26 2023 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
LS why do you think Koshi was killed? for why I thought Koshi was killed when I posted why I thought he was killed. here: On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f.......... Koshi said: On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here: On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that. Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch. And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake. What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip. I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already. Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive. I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game. I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there) Which he did reply to my post here: On May 26 2023 11:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f.......... Koshi said: On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here: On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that. Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch. And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake. What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip. I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already. Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive. I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game. I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there) You realize that both wagons being town substantially changes things, right? dmb is mafia she went balls to walls on Vivax starting here: On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them. and continued here: On May 23 2023 19:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
Vivax are you scared to write something? and tried to act confident on lynching him here: On May 23 2023 20:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 20:08 Vivax wrote:On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax has your friend played previously? She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point. Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases. I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance. I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too she continued for several posts and then later posted this gem: On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
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Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me When Onegu, Chez, and Sent haven't posted in the thread (Sent being replaced later on in Night 1) as well wanted to lynch Onegu for being lurker (When more likely could of been modkilled or replaced if he haven't posted heck there were several people who weren't in the game when she voted Onegu.) In fact she also tried to push marv out of fear of him being mafia even though she was super paranoid of his scum game? She ended up voting Vivax and had her vote stay there thus we lynched Vivax. I think she is stuck now after that lynch because she is mafia who is running out of options. Rayn is town he didn't try to do any sort of trap play like he did in XXX night of debauchery and been actively solving the game in a way I expected him to as town. Marv is town I know he was given a bunch of shit but he would of had only 2 page filter as mafia at this point knowing him and how I dealt with mafia Marv but he been trying to solve the game whenever he was around through his own methods. VE is null yes he improved a bit after my initial reads post but then he lynched the doctor Day 1 idk if I feel about him after that. First of all sorry for being so inactive was celebrating my bd and had to work with hangover. At the begining i made two mistake, First one was considering of privat thoughts that V is mafia. Already told why and i am sorry for that was a big mistake. Can explain again if you want to. Second mistake i went was this list. Did´t check it perfectly as i should. Third thing was I didn´t know that the roles get automaticly to the players and that they are not selced. So for me was the message Your are Vanilla Town like 100 % sure. I am sorry for not knowing that, so I was writing here with so much conifdence because of that I thought you all know that the newbe only can be town... Big mistake as well For now i make a new list with my thoughts 1) TankTopTiger Town, because he came here and the way he writes and thinks is like other than the other players here but makes me sure for Town. 2) Alakaslam No opinen right now, but more like town 3) Chezinu Town 4) Vivax lynched day 1. Sorry baby for voting on you for privat thoughts 5) LightningStrike Town (for now) 6) DarthPunk Could be mafia. Maybe him or marv but not both. They are not in the same boat 7) Onegu not activ, what should I say about it 8) Koshi killed night 1 sorry but told he is town 9) die_meatbaby doesn´t matter because you all have to make your own opinen about me, even if it seems bad for me right now 10) raynpelikoneet def Mafia At the D1 i was writing V and you are Mafia. You where pissed and tried to protect your self. Few hours before the voting was ending. I made a post where I said I would change my mind on you but not on V. After this you made an fucking importent and smart post. "Onegu is perfoming to strong for being Town and Vivax is to less paronied for being Town." This changed like everything. I was pointing out that you where just writing my thougths of V. THAT WAS MY ONLY REASON OF THINKING V WAS M (big mistake and sorry for all my Townies. I learn from mistake. Thats life) I didn´t want to leek a private thing about that Paronied stuff of V. At this point VE was tryieng to get votes on V only on V. This makes me so fucking suspicious. Like this was a perfectly played move from you and VE. Just amzing. At this point after Voting I just saw what you two where doeing here. The fact that you two played this so perfectly fascinated me. Atm I realesd with how much effort you all play and how fucking accurate i have to be here. How accurate i should read the posts here. This game is def. more harder than I ever thought. This point made me realse that I shouldn´t just write my thoughts. I have do do more. Have to think things more through than I ever did in my life. 11) Meapak_Ziphh killed night 1 Sorry for saying you where m 12) marvellosity Also could be both he write in like a save way but wouldn´t vote on him right know not sure if he is with VE and Rayn in the MPG (Mafia Pussy Gang) 13) VisceraEyes 1000000% Mafia. Like nothing else. On D1 one I did make a list like this in made mistake because of not controlling everything and didn´t put much efford in it. Mistakes make people seem like mafia. Big mistake from me again. He answering on Koshi who where on this point like i am mafia and i already got 3 votes on me at this point on my first day, also birthday and first game. He tried to protect me. for Towns who thought of mafia on me. He got weak. He had compassion on me. Wrote under my post "Guys you can´t make vote on this..." Still thanks for protecting me at this moment, because as mafia you realized what beginner mistake I did and had pity on me. Nice but big mistake from you. protecting a new girl is nice but still not good for you Mafiastatus @raynpelikoneet @VisceraEyes I would like to see a anwer from both of you
I think you should be voting for Chezinu instead of me. That's my answer. You literally didn't have anything for me to respond to.
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On May 27 2023 08:20 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 27 2023 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:TTT is town he actually thinking about the game although in a different manner but at least he trying to get solid reads for himself and move the thread a bit. Onegu is null leaning town? As town he is proud of his reads even on Day 1 and did try to get Rayn to follow him on VE Day 1 before he disappeared. Chez is null I didn't like how he pretty much RNG his vote between MZ and Vivax (both flipped town) but outside of that he been pretty trolly at parts like I remember him doing as town. Slam is null he being a bit more serious than i ever remember i don't know if it's alignment indicative or not but he also being weird towards Chez which idk what to make of it. DP is mafia he been tunneling me all game and refused to reevaluate in fact he did this: On May 26 2023 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
LS why do you think Koshi was killed? for why I thought Koshi was killed when I posted why I thought he was killed. here: On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f.......... Koshi said: On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here: On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that. Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch. And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake. What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip. I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already. Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive. I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game. I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there) Which he did reply to my post here: On May 26 2023 11:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f.......... Koshi said: On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here: On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that. Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch. And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake. What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip. I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already. Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive. I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game. I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there) You realize that both wagons being town substantially changes things, right? dmb is mafia she went balls to walls on Vivax starting here: On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them. and continued here: On May 23 2023 19:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
Vivax are you scared to write something? and tried to act confident on lynching him here: On May 23 2023 20:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 20:08 Vivax wrote:On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax has your friend played previously? She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point. Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases. I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance. I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too she continued for several posts and then later posted this gem: On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
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Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me When Onegu, Chez, and Sent haven't posted in the thread (Sent being replaced later on in Night 1) as well wanted to lynch Onegu for being lurker (When more likely could of been modkilled or replaced if he haven't posted heck there were several people who weren't in the game when she voted Onegu.) In fact she also tried to push marv out of fear of him being mafia even though she was super paranoid of his scum game? She ended up voting Vivax and had her vote stay there thus we lynched Vivax. I think she is stuck now after that lynch because she is mafia who is running out of options. Rayn is town he didn't try to do any sort of trap play like he did in XXX night of debauchery and been actively solving the game in a way I expected him to as town. Marv is town I know he was given a bunch of shit but he would of had only 2 page filter as mafia at this point knowing him and how I dealt with mafia Marv but he been trying to solve the game whenever he was around through his own methods. VE is null yes he improved a bit after my initial reads post but then he lynched the doctor Day 1 idk if I feel about him after that. First of all sorry for being so inactive was celebrating my bd and had to work with hangover. At the begining i made two mistake, First one was considering of privat thoughts that V is mafia. Already told why and i am sorry for that was a big mistake. Can explain again if you want to. Second mistake i went was this list. Did´t check it perfectly as i should. Third thing was I didn´t know that the roles get automaticly to the players and that they are not selced. So for me was the message Your are Vanilla Town like 100 % sure. I am sorry for not knowing that, so I was writing here with so much conifdence because of that I thought you all know that the newbe only can be town... Big mistake as well For now i make a new list with my thoughts 1) TankTopTiger Town, because he came here and the way he writes and thinks is like other than the other players here but makes me sure for Town. 2) Alakaslam No opinen right now, but more like town 3) Chezinu Town 4) Vivax lynched day 1. Sorry baby for voting on you for privat thoughts 5) LightningStrike Town (for now) 6) DarthPunk Could be mafia. Maybe him or marv but not both. They are not in the same boat 7) Onegu not activ, what should I say about it 8) Koshi killed night 1 sorry but told he is town 9) die_meatbaby doesn´t matter because you all have to make your own opinen about me, even if it seems bad for me right now 10) raynpelikoneet def Mafia At the D1 i was writing V and you are Mafia. You where pissed and tried to protect your self. Few hours before the voting was ending. I made a post where I said I would change my mind on you but not on V. After this you made an fucking importent and smart post. "Onegu is perfoming to strong for being Town and Vivax is to less paronied for being Town." This changed like everything. I was pointing out that you where just writing my thougths of V. THAT WAS MY ONLY REASON OF THINKING V WAS M (big mistake and sorry for all my Townies. I learn from mistake. Thats life) I didn´t want to leek a private thing about that Paronied stuff of V. At this point VE was tryieng to get votes on V only on V. This makes me so fucking suspicious. Like this was a perfectly played move from you and VE. Just amzing. At this point after Voting I just saw what you two where doeing here. The fact that you two played this so perfectly fascinated me. Atm I realesd with how much effort you all play and how fucking accurate i have to be here. How accurate i should read the posts here. This game is def. more harder than I ever thought. This point made me realse that I shouldn´t just write my thoughts. I have do do more. Have to think things more through than I ever did in my life. 11) Meapak_Ziphh killed night 1 Sorry for saying you where m 12) marvellosity Also could be both he write in like a save way but wouldn´t vote on him right know not sure if he is with VE and Rayn in the MPG (Mafia Pussy Gang) 13) VisceraEyes 1000000% Mafia. Like nothing else. On D1 one I did make a list like this in made mistake because of not controlling everything and didn´t put much efford in it. Mistakes make people seem like mafia. Big mistake from me again. He answering on Koshi who where on this point like i am mafia and i already got 3 votes on me at this point on my first day, also birthday and first game. He tried to protect me. for Towns who thought of mafia on me. He got weak. He had compassion on me. Wrote under my post "Guys you can´t make vote on this..." Still thanks for protecting me at this moment, because as mafia you realized what beginner mistake I did and had pity on me. Nice but big mistake from you. protecting a new girl is nice but still not good for you Mafiastatus @raynpelikoneet @VisceraEyes I would like to see a anwer from both of you
I can't say anything to that, you just made up a scenario that's incorrect.
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Like you're telling me someone who actively led a lynch yesterday is 100000% mafia vs someone who has literally only come in and taunted the thread repeatedly who is probably town?
I don't know what to say to that frand, I saved you because I thought you were town. I still think you're town. You're wrong about me. Vote for someone who actually IS mafia.
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On May 26 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
Yeah he said this. Unfortunately this should hold no relevance because the situation has changed drastically after Vivax flips town. Why does mafia!marv make "bad posts" about Meapak if there is no relevance on who gets lynched, hell he doesn't even need to push Meapak lynch. He still reads Koshi and rayn town in the same post. He indentifies us three (and DP) as town leaders, regardless of if that's true or not. Like with this information alone he SHOULD be considering Meapak's alignment again, before doing anything else. "Who i got a town read off" is not really anything, the read should be REALLY in depth considering three people who he thinks are town leaders voted for the guy, and one didn't (and was wrong).
This is I think a place I can make my perspective clearer.
I acknowledge that people respect you four, but that doesn't mean I respect your authority. I'm not here to fall in line, I don't see that as playing the game at all. So I can be aware of the influence you people have while being dismissive of accepting that influence myself. So basically, if you want to change my mind, it needs to be because of what you say, not who you are.
In my mind it's actually insane how much people sheep considering that alignment is RNGed at the start of the game.
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Yes let's move on. I haven't even really got to talk about anything else.
I'm gonna say a few things and they're not all necessarily compatible with each other, but that's my perception.
Regarding Koshi's vig shot, I think in his mind if MZ flipped red he'd basically solved the game because then he'd have confirmed that the doctor lynch was to save scum and could bring the hammer down on VE.
Regarding the NK on Koshi, I think Koshi was out of control and the mafia assumed that killing Koshi would make town take up his cause. I don't expect mafia to have predicted the vig shot, so they expected MZ to still be in play. So their vision for today was a continuation of yesterday, with MZ on the block vs. the fallout for the mislynch.
I think either VE or DP is scum, and I have a light green read on DP.
I kind of expect a diffuse approach from mafia, basically one on each wagon and one in the lurkers, or one on a wagon, an all-town wagon, and two lurkers.
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On May 27 2023 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2023 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 27 2023 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:yo wtf how does rayn go from On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked. to On May 27 2023 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk i am almost done with VE and voting him no matter what..
it's just too bad at the moment, i need a break. like I don't even Are you really just salty that I cucked your townie MZ lynch? Fuck off guy. I told you IN THIS THREAD that I was doing it you don't get to be mad about it because you fucked off and let me. No, i am annoyed you call me "intentionally obtuse" a number of times when i am definitely not and making arguments you YOURSELF agree with, like: On May 25 2023 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Especially with your god reads backed up by Koshi and the rest of the sheeple? Why would any mafia fucking stay tunneled on marv in that situation?
Like this is what I'm talking about rayn, it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse, I understand biases but this feels...targeted. With intent. With an agenda. like comeon you agree with my point it's a possibility when i was arguing i didnät think town meapak would un-tunnel marv. And then i am intentionally obtuse? On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 26 2023 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing. I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise? idk why he should do that? Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on. Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it? Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!! This is full bullcrap because you're comparing scenarios some hours into the game vs some hours into the lynch and making it look like in both situations people should have the same amount of information on who gets lynched. Can you at least see hw there could be some holes in your thinking? But yeah no, rayn is intentionally obtuse playing like newbie. And this: On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote:
I‘ma call it a nighty-o
1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.
LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.
I‘m sorry if MZ is town.
I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.
Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point. Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2. You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch. I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation. FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM Actively harm town my ass, all you even had was your read based on Vivax interactions with mebaby, where your town read marv had already agreed with me your read is not necessarily true. And that immediately translates to rayn is mafia? And after that all, you have to come and call me all kind of things and try making it look i am somehow offending you? I came to this game to play a nice game of mafia, you're ruining it. Sadly i don't even know if you're doing it because you're mafia or just an ass right now... You're the one getting personal and calling people bad. I could be wrong about your intentions, because I'm fucking town and I don't know your alignment. But you're calling me bad which applies regardless of my alignment. Fuck you rayn. You're not going to gaslight me into thinking I'm doing anything wrong here, you're the one with a bad fucking attitude because I DARE question you. I'm playing the game. Maybe you don't like how I'm doing it, but I'm doing it. I'm not ruining shit. I never called you "all kinds of things" I said it was like I was playing with newbie rayn because it felt like you aren't considering simple shit that WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS GAMES/POSTGAMES. And I did that ONE time. I'm not being mean to you or being offensive or anything like that. Maybe my reads are offensive to you. Maybe you dislike my reasoning. You were right that the Vivax read was wrong. Was it bad? Maybe. Maybe not. With a sample size of 2 I guess we'll find out eventually. So you're either trying to gaslight me intentionally because you're fucking mafia, or you're actually so full of yourself as town that you literally think anyone who has a different opinion from you is bad at the game. I'm going to be honest, I think maybe you're just town and a fucking dick.
This brovado feels empty to me. Like VE is saying what he feels he should be saying, not what he thinks.
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On May 27 2023 08:26 TankTopTiger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
Yeah he said this. Unfortunately this should hold no relevance because the situation has changed drastically after Vivax flips town. Why does mafia!marv make "bad posts" about Meapak if there is no relevance on who gets lynched, hell he doesn't even need to push Meapak lynch. He still reads Koshi and rayn town in the same post. He indentifies us three (and DP) as town leaders, regardless of if that's true or not. Like with this information alone he SHOULD be considering Meapak's alignment again, before doing anything else. "Who i got a town read off" is not really anything, the read should be REALLY in depth considering three people who he thinks are town leaders voted for the guy, and one didn't (and was wrong). This is I think a place I can make my perspective clearer. I acknowledge that people respect you four, but that doesn't mean I respect your authority. I'm not here to fall in line, I don't see that as playing the game at all. So I can be aware of the influence you people have while being dismissive of accepting that influence myself. So basically, if you want to change my mind, it needs to be because of what you say, not who you are. In my mind it's actually insane how much people sheep considering that alignment is RNGed at the start of the game.
I know and you shouldn't respect any authority. I think marv is town because:
- He looks like he is pushing what he seems to be believing is mafia
- He is actively trying to get the town to NOT derail on too many places, when the reasoning on stuff he thinks is invalid (look at his posts on mebaby for instance on D1)
- I don't think he would be capable, or actively trying to, do that in case he was mafia (this i can see is a point you can agree on anyways -- but it's what i think)
All in all i see elements in his play that are to keep the town focused (and focused on what he thinks is important), and not disruptively derail the town. But i am not him so i am not going to defend him more than this, which is what i think.
You may disagree with me if that's what you think.
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