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Shellshock
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Smoker defeated 2 Yonkou in Loguetown | ||
Zooper31
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On June 17 2022 09:50 Sentenal wrote: Do you mean the one who interfered in Luffy and Kaido's fight? Last we saw was him getting bonked by Kaido... Hes likely dead, or close enough for it to make little difference. Ya I believe they note that they lost a valuable CPO member briefly for the sake of stopping Luffy from awakening. Then next chapter Luffy becomes Nika lol. Pretty sure that man got 1 tapped. | ||
evilfatsh1t
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Shellshock
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4 for luffy and 2.5 each for Law and Kid prob would have made more sense tho Jimbe on Fishman Island "once your bounty hits 300 mil it rarely goes up" Luffy in ~2 in world months - +2.6 bil berries with 3 bounty adjustments | ||
CHEONSOYUN
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oh my god YEARS OF MEMES coming TRUE. ODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | ||
Zooper31
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On June 17 2022 12:31 evilfatsh1t wrote: how does kid and law get the same bounty as luffy? wtf Ya I didn't understand that either. Apparently 1v2 Big Mom is the same as Luffy beating Kaido. Yes I realize Kaido fought over a dozen people on the roof during the raid but still. They definitely should've been lower, glad they kept Luffy as the only emperor though to make up for it. | ||
sharkie
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herMan
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So funny to see Buggy hailed as a Yonkou :D I wonder if he's gonna be the last man standing after this series is over. I like how Oda went the other way with this admiral being hostile to Luffy. Well, it surely may be that something changes his mind later as he meets everybody. | ||
Hyperbola
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But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively. So do you mean to tell me that this man, who could very well be a Yonko due to his strength, just willingly decided to join the marines and become a lacky for the World Government? With his power he must at least be the king of a country or the commander of a great army, so why would he leave all of that behind just to become a working stiff for the government? Do admirals really get that many perks for the work that they do? If Green Bull wanted power, he could have just become an emperor. If Green Bull wanted justice, he would have joined the marines sooner. If Green Bull was a loner like Mihawk, what could possibly make him change his mind and become an admiral of all things? It makes zero sense for this largely unknown character to exist in One Piece as he does. I hope Oda offers some explanation because otherwise this is just bad writing. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote: And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time That's just a misconception from Marineford I'd argue. Akainu confronted all of Whitebeard's remaining commanders by himself when he was going after Luffy. Marco and Vista couldn't even injure him because their haki wasn't good enough. And Aokiji is his equal to the point that Akainu needed 10 days to beat him. | ||
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote: Where exactly did the marines get all these Admirals from? Do they grow on trees? (pun intended) But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively. keep in mind he got them in the Udon prison, who knows if they didnt have seastone cuffs or something they probably didn't recover from their fights either I don't think we know when he joined the marines? Just that he was promoted to admiral during the timeskip | ||
Shinokuki
United States849 Posts
On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote: Where exactly did the marines get all these Admirals from? Do they grow on trees? (pun intended) But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively. So do you mean to tell me that this man, who could very well be a Yonko due to his strength, just willingly decided to join the marines and become a lacky for the World Government? With his power he must at least be the king of a country or the commander of a great army, so why would he leave all of that behind just to become a working stiff for the government? Do admirals really get that many perks for the work that they do? If Green Bull wanted power, he could have just become an emperor. If Green Bull wanted justice, he would have joined the marines sooner. If Green Bull was a loner like Mihawk, what could possibly make him change his mind and become an admiral of all things? It makes zero sense for this largely unknown character to exist in One Piece as he does. I hope Oda offers some explanation because otherwise this is just bad writing. Out of all things, you think this is bad writing? This isn't bad writing at all. Admirals were always equal or slightly below yonko.The narrative kept changing regarding admiral power level throughout the years when Oda constantly put admiral on the same level as yonko via narration (don chinjao's quote, Big mom being possible FA, Shanks being strong enough to go "toe to toe" with admiral on SBS. First it was Admiral = Doffy, then it evolved to Admiral = Katakuri, then it evolved to Admiral = First mate, and now that an Admiral says "mere commanders" people are really confused now. Not sure what 2 piece you've been reading. It was in your face all the time, even during marineford when WB was hyped to the max and still got clapped by admirals. People were so brainwashed by anime scenes that they thought admiral = YC2 lmao. When akainu fought WB he always had the upper hand until he got sneaked attacked by blood thirsted WB. Even then, he vaporized part of WB's head and didn't get KO'd. In manga, you see akainu falling to the depths, still conscious enough to dig a hole and pursue luffy. Otherwise, he would've drown in the water. After that, he still faced 14 WB commanders + 2 shichibukai + 2 rev. Hmm, that kinda seems like what Kaido is doing in a era of hyper power inflation.. Admirals were always on the same level as yonkos and I'm glad Oda had that panel of GB mercilessly destroying the beast pirates. Oda is not gonna disrespect the japanese icons he drew, only to get stalled by a subordinate. He's gonna make sure they shine and clash equally with the yonkos. My final thought is that due to Oda's inconsistency and horrid power scaling system, he will make the character as strong as he wants for the story to be interesting. We had Garp on Marineford and that alone should've been enough to beat WB himself. We had 4 admirals + mihawk who would've clapped WB pirates in a heartbeat. But nope, he had to make it interesting and he had to hype the first yonko crew appearance. It was never about power scaling but more about how oda can hype shit up without making sense. | ||
Hyperbola
United States2514 Posts
On June 18 2022 02:17 Shinokuki wrote: Out of all things, you think this is bad writing? This isn't bad writing at all. Admirals were always equal or slightly below yonko.The narrative kept changing regarding admiral power level throughout the years when Oda constantly put admiral on the same level as yonko via narration (don chinjao's quote, Big mom being possible FA, Shanks being strong enough to go "toe to toe" with admiral on SBS. First it was Admiral = Doffy, then it evolved to Admiral = Katakuri, then it evolved to Admiral = First mate, and now that an Admiral says "mere commanders" people are really confused now. Not sure what 2 piece you've been reading. It was in your face all the time, even during marineford when WB was hyped to the max and still got clapped by admirals. People were so brainwashed by anime scenes that they thought admiral = YC2 lmao. When akainu fought WB he always had the upper hand until he got sneaked attacked by blood thirsted WB. Even then, he vaporized part of WB's head and didn't get KO'd. In manga, you see akainu falling to the depths, still conscious enough to dig a hole and pursue luffy. Otherwise, he would've drown in the water. After that, he still faced 14 WB commanders + 2 shichibukai + 2 rev. Hmm, that kinda seems like what Kaido is doing in a era of hyper power inflation.. Admirals were always on the same level as yonkos and I'm glad Oda had that panel of GB mercilessly destroying the beast pirates. Oda is not gonna disrespect the japanese icons he drew, only to get stalled by a subordinate. He's gonna make sure they shine and clash equally with the yonkos. My final thought is that due to Oda's inconsistency and horrid power scaling system, he will make the character as strong as he wants for the story to be interesting. We had Garp on Marineford and that alone should've been enough to beat WB himself. We had 4 admirals + mihawk who would've clapped WB pirates in a heartbeat. But nope, he had to make it interesting and he had to hype the first yonko crew appearance. It was never about power scaling but more about how oda can hype shit up without making sense. I think you're missing the point of my post. It's not to rank powerlevels, but call attention to the fact that characters like Green Bull were essentially created out of nowhere by Oda without reasonable justification. Green Bull isn't like Aokiji, Kizaru, or Akainu, where he joined and progressed through the marines, he was recruited at his current state via the recruitment draft during the timeskip. This means that he was recruited from somewhere, which means that he had to have a life and had to have developed Admiral level fighting skills before he joined. My question is: "where?". Why was he never mentioned and then popped into existence. Surely, a character that could go toe to toe with Yonko would have at least some notoriety. He clearly wasn't a pirate, so was he the general or king of a nation? What would possess such a man to even become an admiral so late in his life when he's powerful enough to run his own empire? It just makes no sense to me. | ||
evilfatsh1t
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Shinokuki
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On June 18 2022 02:40 Hyperbola wrote: I think you're missing the point of my post. It's not to rank powerlevels, but call attention to the fact that characters like Green Bull were essentially created out of nowhere by Oda without reasonable justification. Green Bull isn't like Aokiji, Kizaru, or Akainu, where he joined and progressed through the marines, he was recruited at his current state via the recruitment draft during the timeskip. This means that he was recruited from somewhere, which means that he had to have a life and had to have developed Admiral level fighting skills before he joined. My question is: "where?". Why was he never mentioned and then popped into existence. Surely, a character that could go toe to toe with Yonko would have at least some notoriety. He clearly wasn't a pirate, so was he the general or king of a nation? What would possess such a man to even become an admiral so late in his life when he's powerful enough to run his own empire? It just makes no sense to me. It's just oda writing whatever shit he wants and calling it a draft and then he wants the fans to create headcannons to cover for his laziness in explaining this away. It's what the other posters are doing. Oda is all hype and not trying to explain or delay it later when he can come up with a solid explanation. | ||
cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On June 16 2022 15:37 evilfatsh1t wrote: as for your "why arent all the admirals converging on wano" question, its not difficult to assume that admirals arent all sitting around navy hq scratching their balls 24/7. the wg literally just found out that the nika fruit has been awakened. maybe green bull was the only one who was immediately free, and the other admirals are off doing their own shit somewhere. do you lack such basic ability to speculate that you are unable to even fathom that the strongest marine figures cannot be mobilised instantaneously against one target? jesus christ. Even if they aren't "doing something" the Navy can't deploy all their admirals to take out Luffy because then another Yonko could go and take out Marineford, or Marijois, or some other strategic target. Its always been obvious that the WG can't move against the Yonko (and generally Yonko can't move against each other) because each of them would likely be backstabbed or teamed up on and lose all their territory. If all 3 Admirals went, for example, to Tottoland pre-timeskip to take out Big Mom, they might succeed. But they'd probably lose like an Admiral, 10 Vice Admirals, oh and by the way at the same time Kaido just razed G1, Whitebeard razed Marineford, Dragon kidnapped all 5 of the Gorosei, and they don't even accomplish much by taking out Big Mom because Shanks comes in, kills another Admiral and takes her poneglyphs for himself. Worst "victory" ever. | ||
Hyperbola
United States2514 Posts
On June 18 2022 09:38 cLutZ wrote: Even if they aren't "doing something" the Navy can't deploy all their admirals to take out Luffy because then another Yonko could go and take out Marineford, or Marijois, or some other strategic target. Its always been obvious that the WG can't move against the Yonko (and generally Yonko can't move against each other) because each of them would likely be backstabbed or teamed up on and lose all their territory. If all 3 Admirals went, for example, to Tottoland pre-timeskip to take out Big Mom, they might succeed. But they'd probably lose like an Admiral, 10 Vice Admirals, oh and by the way at the same time Kaido just razed G1, Whitebeard razed Marineford, Dragon kidnapped all 5 of the Gorosei, and they don't even accomplish much by taking out Big Mom because Shanks comes in, kills another Admiral and takes her poneglyphs for himself. Worst "victory" ever. To add to this, the Admirals are needed to keep the peace across the entire globe. Green Bull says that the world is in absolute chaos right now and he doesn't have a lot of time to waste in Wano, probably because he needs to get back to doing his job of enforcing global peace. What I'm thinking is that due to the events in Reverie with the revolutionary army and Sabo doing something + two Yonko going down = all the major players are moving at once right now, trying to either secure a better position for themselves on the world stage or initiating some long held plans they've had since now is the perfect opportunity. I expect to see a lot of news about Blackbeard, the revolutionary army, Shanks, the former Shichibukai, and a whole bunch of other minor pirates and maybe even some countries/armies all doing some crazy shit right now. | ||
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