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evilfatsh1t
Australia8787 Posts
On April 04 2024 09:08 TentativePanda wrote: How do y'all still read this? I stopped like 10 years ago when they were still dragging it on and said it wasn't even half way over lol come too far to stop now | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On April 04 2024 09:08 TentativePanda wrote: How do y'all still read this? I stopped like 10 years ago when they were still dragging it on and said it wasn't even half way over lol Maybe, just maybe, some of us like it? | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
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Byo
Canada209 Posts
On April 04 2024 09:08 TentativePanda wrote: How do y'all still read this? I stopped like 10 years ago when they were still dragging it on and said it wasn't even half way over lol Admittedly it's gone long enough that my own taste has changed but I also end up skimming parts as I'm less interested so I'm less vested in it at the same time. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On March 28 2024 01:55 Zambrah wrote: tbf to Kaido, its sort of implied hes regularly caught because hes trying to get himself killed but the Marines are literally just incapable of doing it, Im sure they havent tried having like, Akainu get up for a try, but Kaido is an actual monster and it doesnt seem like Haki in anything less than Admiral amounts/some of the most powerful offensive DFs have any effect on him. Mans built different, I felt like it was pretty clear during Wano that he had about half a dozen things stacked against him in his fight vs. Luffy to make it clear that while Luffy won in the end, it wasnt just because Luffy > Kaido in a 1v1. I dont think Kaido can be safely put below Luffy til Luffy addresses the drawbacks to his... Zoan fruit... transformation... that no other Zoan fruit seems to have... (I will die bitter about this) Meh. If Kaido was that crazy strong he'd be the endgame villain. Which he isn't. It's funny that people just put Kaido above everybody when even Shanks is waaay more worried about Blackbeard than Kaido lol that should be an implication of order of importance and danger but people gloss that over cause they like Kaido aka the barbaric strongman type of character. And Shanks is not a bad judge of character or strength as he is as dangerous as Kaido. Even if Kaido was full health he'd lose to G5 Luffy. G5 Luffy is something that 800 year old rulers were more worried about Nika not Kaido. Besides G5 is basically toon-force and Kaido is canonically not unbeatable just favored in a 1v1 (people translate this as he is unstoppable which he isnt and has lost multiple times before) WG not just full force trying to kill yonkos has more to do with them losing territory and enough military force that it just deter alot of their control with losing alot of military asset. Yonkos are trouble but none of them are invincible and unstoppable including Kaido On April 04 2024 09:08 TentativePanda wrote: How do y'all still read this? I stopped like 10 years ago when they were still dragging it on and said it wasn't even half way over lol Honestly it is still better than practically most of the animes they produce nowadays (or the past few years) For example there are so many isekai harem cardboard personality protagonist who are invincible and the strongest without a doubt. It's so boring at this point but with the amount of escapism it offers I bet it still sells like hotcakes in Japan (which is the audience they care about) so they keep making that kind of anime Not that one piece doesnt follow alot of the shounen patterns but it does alot of things better | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On April 04 2024 12:25 lestye wrote: oh man, forums are so based The Journey is great. Granted, I heard Dressrosa was freaking MISERABLE to read through week-to-week so maybe that soured you. Haha funny you say that. That is exactly when I stopped reading. To everyone else, sorry for being the pessimist. But goddamn, would it have been better if it didn't drag on like this. Hard to maintain quality that way (and from what I've seen, they haven't). I'm sure it's still fine, but what made the show for me were the early to mid arcs. Guess I'm just frustrated they chose to milk the series rather than put forth best possible quality. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8787 Posts
yes one piece has lost that adventurous atmosphere that pre marineford one piece had, but i think thats to be somewhat expected. after years of world building and plot progression the story has to naturally evolve and come to an end, and it cant do that if the strawhats are just roaming around the seas carefree forever. if youre talking about the anime, then yeah theres 100% been a massive drop in quality. i dont even touch the anime anymore but the manga is still good | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On April 09 2024 13:33 evilfatsh1t wrote: pacing could be better but overall i wouldnt say the manga quality has been bad. yes one piece has lost that adventurous atmosphere that pre marineford one piece had, but i think thats to be somewhat expected. after years of world building and plot progression the story has to naturally evolve and come to an end, and it cant do that if the strawhats are just roaming around the seas carefree forever. if youre talking about the anime, then yeah theres 100% been a massive drop in quality. i dont even touch the anime anymore but the manga is still good Only ever read it other than an episode here and there as a kid. I think that's a very good point. I do think they didn't heed your advice and have it "naturally evolve and come to an end" though. I understand the natural transformation from exploration/world building to later stages of storytelling. But just feels like 1) The rising action that was supposed to follow can only feel like it's rising for so long before you realize it has plateaued 2) They still feel like they are following a similar formula as the worldbuilding part except it doesnt fit - how many times are they going to be like "oh HERE are these new enemies who are actually stronger than all the others, you just haven't heard about them yet" or "here is this new blah blah blah". DBZ got away with it because it was a bit more of purely an action anime and there were more reasonable reasons you would be introduced to a new powerful enemy (mostly that the universe is pretty damn big) | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
562 Posts
On April 10 2024 06:15 TentativePanda wrote: Only ever read it other than an episode here and there as a kid. I think that's a very good point. I do think they didn't heed your advice and have it "naturally evolve and come to an end" though. I understand the natural transformation from exploration/world building to later stages of storytelling. But just feels like 1) The rising action that was supposed to follow can only feel like it's rising for so long before you realize it has plateaued 2) They still feel like they are following a similar formula as the worldbuilding part except it doesnt fit - how many times are they going to be like "oh HERE are these new enemies who are actually stronger than all the others, you just haven't heard about them yet" or "here is this new blah blah blah". DBZ got away with it because it was a bit more of purely an action anime and there were more reasonable reasons you would be introduced to a new powerful enemy (mostly that the universe is pretty damn big) we were told about jimbei during the arlong arc, and before that mihawk came over to toy with the survivors of don krieg's armada. whitebeard and blackbeard were introduced early in the grand line during drum island and alabasta there's a lot of other whining going on in this thread right now but this, I don't think this is a fair criticism mainly because major-league players are introduced far in advance in one piece. besides imu we have been introduced to almost all of the most powerful characters far in advance at least several hundred chapters before their first appearances. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8787 Posts
with every other character and every other plot line, hardcore one piece nerds have been theorycrafting and trying to make predictions about whats going to happen hundreds of chapters before they would ever find out if they were correct. i dont think i ever saw anyone predict that a character like imu would exist though | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On April 10 2024 06:15 TentativePanda wrote: Only ever read it other than an episode here and there as a kid. I think that's a very good point. I do think they didn't heed your advice and have it "naturally evolve and come to an end" though. I understand the natural transformation from exploration/world building to later stages of storytelling. But just feels like 1) The rising action that was supposed to follow can only feel like it's rising for so long before you realize it has plateaued 2) They still feel like they are following a similar formula as the worldbuilding part except it doesnt fit - how many times are they going to be like "oh HERE are these new enemies who are actually stronger than all the others, you just haven't heard about them yet" or "here is this new blah blah blah". DBZ got away with it because it was a bit more of purely an action anime and there were more reasonable reasons you would be introduced to a new powerful enemy (mostly that the universe is pretty damn big) Come on man, you just said in that other post you haven't read it in 10 years, how are you going to tell us that its still "following a similiar formula" or how things "don't fit"? How could you possible know that, having dropped it 10 years ago? "Here are these new enemies who are stronger than all the others but you haven't heard about them yet"? The last time we had a major villain who wasn't introduced or mentioned like 600 chapters ago was Caesar Clown, and even he was just the opening act for other villains we've known for a long time. Its fine if you just don't like OP, but your complaints make no sense | ||
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Archeon
3261 Posts
On April 11 2024 12:58 cLutZ wrote: IMO the weirdest part about the IMU intro is that I dont yet see any real potential reason its needed. The 5 Gorosei were already a hidden shadow government, why does there need to be a 2nd level of hiding? Maybe this will be genius when it pays off, but it has always seemed odd. The only thing interesting is that obviously Imu is from before the Void Century, so Imu knows what happened and when. But I think if we learned that through and Imu flashback or evil monologue would be super unsatisfying. That would seem to be robbing Robin of her role. Unless we hear his story in like chapter 1201 and then Robin reads the real story at Laugh Tale in 1202 which makes Imu sound like a lunatic. It's also odd to me that Oda sacks the villains he's built up in the form of the admirals and Gorosei to introduce a guy we know nothing about. Like I get that he wants to write a final epic battle between the chosen one and the oppressor, and thematically Luffy always was a liberator. But I feel like the story was a lot more believable when the marines where largely a force of good that maybe was on occasion too strict rather than a force of oppression that is governed by a bunch of evil shadow creatures and slaughters people for the lulz. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2547 Posts
On April 12 2024 01:35 Archeon wrote: It's also odd to me that Oda sacks the villains he's built up in the form of the admirals and Gorosei to introduce a guy we know nothing about. Like I get that he wants to write a final epic battle between the chosen one and the oppressor, and thematically Luffy always was a liberator. But I feel like the story was a lot more believable when the marines where largely a force of good that maybe was on occasion too strict rather than a force of oppression that is governed by a bunch of evil shadow creatures and slaughters people for the lulz. Yeah Luffy has always wanted to be a pirate. Remember during Skypeia when the Straw Hats decided to steal a bunch of gold and run away because they're not "heroes"? Granted, it was all a misunderstanding, but I rather enjoyed it when the Straw Hats at least attempted to be anti-heroes. Before the timeskip, the World Government was fully justified in locking them up. Now Luffy seems to have the moral high ground which is odd since he's a pirate. One Piece would be 10 times better of a manga if the World Government remained as the "good" organization and pirates stayed as chaotic neutral. Then the ending, where the World Government inevitably gets overthrown, would be much better and perhaps a little bittersweet. Luffy becoming a hated figure like Gold Roger would be the perfect ending for him. However, it seems like the story has completely pivoted towards the chosen one trope and Luffy will basically be remembered as the second coming of Christ in the One Piece world. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2547 Posts
I'm excited to see what kind of Cthulhu monstrosity Vegapunk's brain looks like. Seems like the theme of this whole arc is exposing the disgusting true forms of the government elite. | ||
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Archeon
3261 Posts
On April 12 2024 01:56 Hyperbola wrote: Yeah Luffy has always wanted to be a pirate. Remember during Skypeia when the Straw Hats decided to steal a bunch of gold and run away because they're not "heroes"? Granted, it was all a misunderstanding, but I rather enjoyed it when the Straw Hats at least attempted to be anti-heroes. Before the timeskip, the World Government was fully justified in locking them up. Now Luffy seems to have the moral high ground which is odd since he's a pirate. One Piece would be 10 times better of a manga if the World Government remained as the "good" organization and pirates stayed as chaotic neutral. Then the ending, where the World Government inevitably gets overthrown, would be much better and perhaps a little bittersweet. Luffy becoming a hated figure like Gold Roger would be the perfect ending for him. However, it seems like the story has completely pivoted towards the chosen one trope and Luffy will basically be remembered as the second coming of Christ in the One Piece world. I don't think Gold Roger was ever portrayed as a hated figure. I also think that's ignoring quite a bit how Luffy essentially liberated Alabastia and helped people wherever he went. Luffy being a force of freedom and liberation goes back all the way to Arlong at the minimum. I agree though that I preferred when the marines where at least grey. As in shitty upper class they serve on paper, but otherwise largely genuinely trying to uphold order in an otherwise fairly lawless world. Now the upper class and the people calling the shots are so horrible that it inevitably makes all their underlings evil because someone like Garp didn't just have to ignore that they are doing manhunts, but actively be there to protect these bastards and still wish for his grandson to join the marines. I also pretty much never like chosen one stories/twists, unless it actually deals with the pressure coming from the expectations. | ||
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lestye
United States4186 Posts
On April 12 2024 01:56 Hyperbola wrote: Yeah Luffy has always wanted to be a pirate. Remember during Skypeia when the Straw Hats decided to steal a bunch of gold and run away because they're not "heroes"? Granted, it was all a misunderstanding, but I rather enjoyed it when the Straw Hats at least attempted to be anti-heroes. Before the timeskip, the World Government was fully justified in locking them up. Now Luffy seems to have the moral high ground which is odd since he's a pirate. One Piece would be 10 times better of a manga if the World Government remained as the "good" organization and pirates stayed as chaotic neutral. Then the ending, where the World Government inevitably gets overthrown, would be much better and perhaps a little bittersweet. Luffy becoming a hated figure like Gold Roger would be the perfect ending for him. However, it seems like the story has completely pivoted towards the chosen one trope and Luffy will basically be remembered as the second coming of Christ in the One Piece world. I disagree with this entiment. I think One Piece has always been about freedom and liberation. Although I do have my complaints about the how its executed. i think a reason is because pirates in the New World arent really pirates....they're more like warlords which makes the metaphor kinda weird. A problem i also have with One Piece is.....for alll the talk of freedom, liberation.....the Straw Hats do have a tendancy to put back in power, the old aristrocracy. Although this is muddied because the Straw Hats don't really do that....the People do after Luffy displaces the ones in power. So yeah, Luffy isn't directly putting in the old aristocracy, the peoples of the One Piece world are very happy to uncritically put back in place the old noble system. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On April 24 2024 07:45 Archeon wrote: I don't think Gold Roger was ever portrayed as a hated figure. I also think that's ignoring quite a bit how Luffy essentially liberated Alabastia and helped people wherever he went. Luffy being a force of freedom and liberation goes back all the way to Arlong at the minimum. I agree though that I preferred when the marines where at least grey. As in shitty upper class they serve on paper, but otherwise largely genuinely trying to uphold order in an otherwise fairly lawless world. Now the upper class and the people calling the shots are so horrible that it inevitably makes all their underlings evil because someone like Garp didn't just have to ignore that they are doing manhunts, but actively be there to protect these bastards and still wish for his grandson to join the marines. I also pretty much never like chosen one stories/twists, unless it actually deals with the pressure coming from the expectations. As far as liberation/'freeing people from oppression' goes, you can go all the way back to the very beginning of OP and see it, all the way back in 'Romance Dawn'. After beating up Alvida, Luffy finds himself on an Island run by an oppressive Marine Captain who rules with fear and an iron fist, and Luffy beats the crap out of the guy and essentially deposes him. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
So, apparently the OP world is sinking into the ocean. Explains the islands, I s'pose. Feels like maybe it has something to do with Devil Fruits, what with the sea hating them? | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
562 Posts
On April 27 2024 06:33 Zambrah wrote: + Show Spoiler + So, apparently the OP world is sinking into the ocean. Explains the islands, I s'pose. Feels like maybe it has something to do with Devil Fruits, what with the sea hating them? + Show Spoiler + noah's ark zunesha water 7 and aqua laguna arabasta's river sinking pangea castle old wano joy boy's promise all blue oda! | ||
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